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Nov. 11, 2012
the answer
Men's 55
104 posts
toc
looking to play in the tournamnet of champions this winter in florida..can play 50s and or 55s..good left fielder high average hitter with power to all fields
Nov. 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Just wondering. In a true TOC, shouldn't you have to play with the roster you qualifed with?
Nov. 12, 2012
kbl
Men's 60
529 posts
19...didnt you get or remember the answer to your question from last year....SSUSA has their rules.....and we olay by them...have a nice day. thanks, ken
Nov. 13, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1270 posts
TOC Roster eligibility and composition rules have remained unchanged since the event's inception. For a refresher course, click on TOURNAMENTS → RULES → TOC Roster Considerations & Rules (PDF) from the Menu Bar above.
Nov. 19, 2012
the answer
Men's 55
104 posts
I played a preseason tourn with nj hittmen but I never joined a senior association and could not afford to travel all year long....have money for 1 trip in winter and hope to maybe rent a fla condo for a month with my family and play as much as possible while in fla..it is my understanding if a team lost players for toc they can be replaced?Is it possible for me to play..I am a very good player
Nov. 19, 2012
jimjoes-gman
Men's 55
80 posts
To "the answer"....1st of all U must abide by the "border rule". Roster wise , a team may replace 1 for 1 , meaning for each guy that cant go , U can replace them w/player of same level up to 13 names.....U cant just play on any team. Even if you want to take an older guy , he still must be on the same skill level or lower.....Hope this helps you..Ron P.S. been there , done that.
Nov. 19, 2012
the answer
Men's 55
104 posts
ok I am in nj so anyone who needs a player 50 or 55 contact me
Nov. 19, 2012
the answer
Men's 55
104 posts
I will be 58 in 2013
Nov. 19, 2012
Stretch14
Men's 50
186 posts
Gary 19, did you look it up? Just wondering.
Nov. 19, 2012
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
Nothing has changed for this tournament. Still held at an illogical time of the year. Probably would draw more teams if held the last weekend of October or first weekend of November, before players leave their current teams to play on other teams.

Andy Smith,
60 Major
Dec. 21, 2012
the answer
Men's 55
104 posts
anyone short for the TOC? I live in NJ..
Dec. 22, 2012
bernie
Men's 55
64 posts
give me a shout at rhblues1@yahoo.com
Dec. 27, 2012
Malo37
55 posts
I think we qualified 6 times this year for the TOC, and have actually already qualified for 2014 as well. It's illogical to travel all the way across country to play so few teams. We unfortunately don't have the budget to attend. If more teams attended we might figure it out. I wish the location flip flopped with the west coast every year. Way too expensive for our team out of AZ....
Happy Holidays,
Dave Quiroz
AZ Elite
Dec. 27, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
134 posts
Just received my Info Packet for the TOC / Fantasy Camp. I had to Chuckle because my first inclination was I don't have that kind of coin, and if I did, why would I spend it on a Fantasy when we Qualified in Reality ? ? ?

The TOC has the Appearance of being a more Prestigious Tournament, and seems to have more Emphasis (or Marketing) than the World Championships!? If you have to WIN a spot to Play in the TOC, then shouldn't there be Funding to get you there, much like the USSSA World Series & ASA Nationals ? ? ?

Strictly from a Weather perspective, I've never enjoyed Playing Ball in Florida, especially in September (ala USSSA) during the Hurricane Season, and the Heat & Humidity. It's just Gross! I've never been to Florida in the Winter, but I haven't heard or read anything Positive to Entice me to want to go. You simply cannot ask for better Weather than the West Coast Based on the Dates of the Tournament Schedule (IMHO), Period ! ! !


Warm Regards from Sunny Phoenix,
Jeff White #7 - Arizona Elite
Dec. 27, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
In a survey done in November, the question was asked whether people thought the dates for the SSUSA Winter National/World and the Tournament of Champions should be switched (i.e. TOC in November and the Winter National/World in February).

There was 100% consensus that the players would perfer to have the dates switched.

As for flip-flopping the site - why? The Masters Championship NEVER comes to the East Coast and it's just as hard for us to find the money to get to Vegas. You guys on the West Coast can't have it all......
Dec. 27, 2012
southernson
261 posts
Traveled for a living for 12 years and the hottest weather I ever saw was leaving the plane as I arrived at the Phoenix airport in July. It was like walking into an oven without air feeling like a basted turkey. Not a single soul outside walking in the Copper Square on a bright sunny day. It was, well, DESERTed.....I'll pass.
Give me the humidity, the heat, the hurricanes....it's a small trade for the Beaches, the Bikinis, the Florida Keys, the seafood, the fishing, and yes in Florida, it's always 5 o'clock somewhere!

Malo37, understand your comment about the expense of traveling, I agree, it's a major expense to travel that far. Substantial discounts with an airline might help, say SSUSA negotiated discounts? Maybe one day...

Agree with Beasley, West Coast already has Vegas, East Coast should keep the TOC.
Dec. 27, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
134 posts
Apples & Oranges Southernson! I stated, "You simply cannot ask for better Weather than the West Coast Based on the Dates of the Tournament Schedule." World & TOC Tournaments are Played October & February, respectively . . .

Arizona Elite is Based in Arizona, and even we prefer not to play in Phoenix during the SCORCHING SUMMERS. Therefore, “you simply cannot ask for better Weather than the West Coast Based on World & TOC Dates." Maybe Florida is Lovely in Florida!? I personally haven't been to Florida in the Winter, but the consensus doesn't appear to be Positive about the TOC being held in Florida ! ! !

Fair & Equitable makes sense when considering Regional Tournament Sites. However, minimizing Inclement Weather should be a Key Factor based on Major Tournament Dates. IMHO, I believe the Majority of "Seniors" prefer Playing in Warmer Climates . . .

Either way, if you have to WIN a spot to Play in the Prestigious TOC, then there should be Funding to help offset costs. Frankly, the TOC should be run in similar fashion as the USSSA World Series and/or ASA Nationals (again, IMHO) . . .


Happy Holidays,
Jeff White #7
Arizona Elite
Dec. 27, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
JDub,

As you've stated you've never been to Florida in the Winter so how can you say that the west coast has the better weather for the dates of those tournaments?

The suggestion to switch the date of the TOC wasn't because of the weather, it was for a number of other factors.

But you're absolutely right when you talk about how expensive it is to travel. We know first hand in south Florida. But the alternatives are quit whining and play or pack up all my crizap and move to a more central location. I'd much rather be in Florida!
Dec. 27, 2012
bernie
Men's 55
64 posts
As a manager of a team in the Northeast, You have to understand that no warm weather tournament in inexpensive to travel to AT ALL for any of us. We don't have the liberty of outdoor play from Thanksgiving unti April Fools Day either. If the TOC were out West, the number of teams attending from the east probably would be greatly diminished. Since Worlds are ALWAYS held out west, it is only fair that TOC is down east. At least flights to FL are reletively cheap for us and hotel rooms can usually be found for a very reasonable price at that time of year for everyone. As a point of interest, in the World Tourney, the percentage of champions and top finishes in each division vs the total entered teams from each coast overwhelmingly favors East Coast teams inspite of the fact that most teams are "Local", from the west coast.
Dec. 27, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
Bernie,

That's one of the reasons I thought moving the TOC to November would be an excellent idea.

- It's the end of the same season that you qualified in.

- You're playing in the same division you qualified in (rather than winning a world, moving up and then playing down for this one tournament).

- Most teams have been playing and would enjoy a good season ending tournament (I'm not saying that the Masters isn't a good tournament).

- You shouldn't have any player turnover yet (no roster changes since you're using the same roster).

But I'm sure SSUSA has their reasons for keeping things the way they are.
Dec. 27, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Yep might well be mickey and mini and to get away from the rain in Ca.
Vacation time.
Dec. 27, 2012
southernson
261 posts
Have to share this....

We are playing in our first Black Circuit softball tournament qualifier in Jan in 3 weeks(our team is 50/50 and we like it that way). The entry fee is $275, and the winner of the 50+ division gets what??? Not a cheesy TShirt, not a discontinued bat bag, not a recycled plaque....the winner gets $1000 cash and an automatic entry into the World tournament in August.

Listening SSUSA?


Dec. 27, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
This is not unheard of. In Ca it's very common in the younger aged tournament divisions for NSA and Utrip. The midnight madness T's held in Reno area are something else. Roughly 300 teams each year. but other T's during the year fair well too. Haven't seen the Sr T's bring in that many teams and word I got was too many to pick from.
Good luck there.
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