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Discussion: How many active 60 Major Plus teams for 2013?

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Nov. 12, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
How many active 60 Major Plus teams for 2013?
There's only 2 in Phoenix and none in Fort Meyers. Hollis, Turn Two (65?), D&K, Master Collision, Jim-Joes, Crystal Pharmacy, KC Kids? Are you still playing next year?
Nov. 12, 2012
goforit
97 posts
Mark,

Due to injuries and other factors, the guys that run our team decided to shut it down for next year. We were really not that happy as a Major Plus team. We are a good Major team but not even a good mid-range Major Plus. We will see if the team gets back together in 2014 but in the meantime guys will probably do what they can to hook up with other teams (if they choose to keep playing). Good luck next year, i've got a lot of friends on the team that you guys put together for next year so i hope everything goes well.

John Giesler
Master Collision
Nov. 12, 2012
berger
Men's 60
42 posts
After getting drummed for an "average" loss margin of 14 runs per game at the World Masters in Las Vegas, the KC Kids have appealed to be re-classified as a Major team. If that doesn't pan out, we will either disban -- since it's obvious we're not a Major+ team either, or be forced to only play SPA tournaments (where we are properly rated - as a Major team....on a good day).

John states (above) they're not even a good "mid-range" Major+ team. Well, if that's the case, what does that make us?.......since they (Master Collision) were one of the teams that beat us in Vegas. We're not even a good "low-class" Major+ team.

And the problem we have with breaking-up is that individually we have no place to go in the Midwest / Kansas City area to hook up with another Major+, or even Major, team. They're just not any around. We all love playing together, but we're simply no match for the Major+ teams out there right now. We're wasting what little time some of us may have left to play softball, and throwing our money away flying around the country, trying to compete with the likes of Hollis, Turn Two, Mobley, GSF (or MTC....if that's what they will be in 2013), etc.

Sorry, fellas. Gonna have to find someone else to use for your tournament "practice" games.

Clint Berger
KC Kids
Nov. 12, 2012
audieh
Men's 60
240 posts
Webbie, the Hollis Appraisal team will be active in 2013. Hopefully John and Clint will reconsider as I thought they had very competitive teams this year. Perhaps there are some very good 59 year olds coming up in their areas. I know we have to recruit every year or get left behind by you west coast guys!

I thought Reno with 7 teams, Las Vegas with 9 teams and Dalton were a lot of fun. Typically, here in the southeast, we end up playing 55 major plus, 55 major and 50 major teams as the 60 major teams usually will not play us. However, we prefer playing in our division and hope that next year there will be even more teams!

At this stage of life, there are only so many good years of softball left, so play all that you can and keep on smiling.
Nov. 12, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
Hopefully the rules committee is taking notice of what is going on here! This is what happens when it was decided to make the playing rules basically wide open after the merger! Too restricted in 2010 & 2011, then too wide open in 2012. Here's hoping they will find common ground for 2013.
Nov. 13, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
audieh-I agree with you that both Master Collision and KC Kids were very competitive-both beat us more than once. We knew if we didn't play our best, we were in trouble. We never did beat D&K on the field, although we ended up in front of them in a couple tourneys because we didn't have to play them in bracket play. I'm glad you (Hollis) will be back-I still believe you only get better by playing the best. We also end up playing the younger teams, but I also welcome the challenge.

This brings me back to the idea of combining Major and Major Plus. That just brings us back into the division with teams that feel as these two do (although I very much disagree with their assessment). Home runs were not as big a part of these games as they were made out to be. Defense, smart base running, and lots of base hits played a much bigger part. I actually don't remember playing in one game all year that either team hit the 12 HR's and most of the time we were closer to 5-7 or 8 for the games. The nine runs did open up the possibilities of a blowout, or a comeback like we made against Master Collision in Vegas the first time-down 24-0 after the top of the third, we lost 25-24 in 5 innings. And, after leading Hollis 12-1 after the top of the second in the Championship Game in Worlds, they demolished us the rest of the game and won about 42-26. But, when you play the best-games like those happen. And it is fun.

But Berger says it best-the cost of traveling to play M+ teams since there are so few, and the difficulty of finding players that will do it makes it tough. BTW, Clint, we lost games by 35-10, 27-9, and 42-26 in Vegas, also.
Nov. 15, 2012
d45
124 posts
Beger, could some of you guys play with the KC Fire, a major team?
Nov. 15, 2012
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Mark
I guess i will have to follow suit and say that the Crystal Pharmacy Team will not be together next year. we are all going to different teams on the east coast. Audie's team has one of them. The Memphis Edge that played 60 major last year and finished second in Dalton and 3rd in Vegas will pickup 2 or 3 of our players and will be playing Major Plus next year in SPA because of the IP list and I guess SSUSA will follow suit. goose will play 55 ball again with Hendricks Team I will go and play with Clatter and the boys from Va. and I don't have to pitch like in vegas.. Bruce is going back to 50 major and play again with southern elite team. The rest I am helping finding some places to play.
so if there is any Major 60's or 55 teams there looking there are several real good player out there.
I have an appeal in with SPA in hoping the AAA players we pickup just last year may be able to return and play at that level again. Ridge is going to look at this for these players at our annual board meeting in Dallas in Dec.
good luck and see you on the ballfield.
Don Ward
SPA Board
Nov. 15, 2012
goforit
97 posts
I just want to make someting very clear, we never ducked anyone (and we aren't now)and we always did our best when we stepped on the field. Our guys are very competetive and will never give up, even in the Major Plus classification. In my previous post i never once mentioned our being upset because we were getting beat all the time, i know we beat some good teams along the way when we put it all together. Its like this our shortstop has a bad arm and needs surgery, we have two outfielders that can barely run and i've got a bum knee which puts a lot of pressure on the other guys to run for us. Then when we are only able to show up at a tournament with ten guys you can imagine that by the 4th or 5th inning we are just toast. When you look at the teams that are successful they have 15 to 17 guys on the team which allows them to run and give guys a break in the field. We just haven't been able to get 15 to 17 guys that want to play Major Plus, spend the money, travel and maybe not do anything else but run or play defense for one inning. None of this bothered us much in the Major division since the innings were shorter (5 runs)and we could get off the field sooner and get rest. Anyway it is what it is and i'm grateful for the time i had playing with Master Collision. I wish all the other teams success next year and keep having a good time while we still can.

John Giesler
Nov. 16, 2012
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts

john
We know how your team feels. We was in the same way most of the year with injuries from having to play the 50 majors and major plus in many tournaments and with guys that had to have runners take it toll on the rest of the team. Most teams runners are the outfielders and they just get tired by the 5th inning and you play 5 or 6 games they are running on fumes.
We only brought 11 to Vegas this year and I came in from the outfield and had to pitch. We dividing up to other teams so we can still play for the 2013 season and will try to group in 2014 we have 4 58 year old guys moving up.
best of luck to all of the Master Collision guys hope to see you all on the field soon
Don Ward
Crystal Pharmacy 60
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