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Nov. 25, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
211 posts
Performance enhancing
I was wondering how many of you guys over 50 are taking HGH or some other form of performance enhancing stuff?….The reason I’m asking is because while in PHX last week I saw some very remarkable play bye some guys 60+..Don’t get me wrong, I know some guys still and always have worked out…However when guys 60+ still have the muscle mass & definition of a 30 year old, I have to question what their doing to maintain their body structure! I was told bye several ball players that HGH is used a lot more in Senior Ball then is known! If that’s the case, what is it supposed to do for you? Just curious! I don’t expect to get confessions!
Nov. 25, 2012
gott2play
Men's 55
146 posts
Ron,
You're absolutely right, you will not be getting many confessions, or acknowledgements of usage to this inquiry. I suspect that there are certainly players amongst us that are/or have taken HGH or possibly other PED's. I also understand that HGH is rather expensive, so I would expect the number to be low...but they're out there.
Tony
Nov. 25, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1004 posts
Sad that guys figure they need this to play Slow pitch softball!
Nov. 25, 2012
boston
306 posts
I must agree with the PED assessment. I have been lifting weights for 40 yrs. As a youngster it was about mass, power and strength. For the past 20 yrs it has been more about maintaining my strength but a more concentrated effort toward maintaining definition and muscular endurance. I have been taking branched-chain aminos and protien for yeas. Throw in some creatine and now Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris an testosterone enhancer I feel great. I have been able to maintain my definition and muscular endurance with my workouts.
When I started playing seniors I was amazed at the size of some of these Major plus guys. With all my years of working out I have never once used PED's that were banned. Now, don't get me wrong, had I known PED's would have gotten me into the NBA or MLB I would have used them no questions asked. But, to use them for senior ball which I suspect more major Plus players are using than will admit is BS. I have never found a good substitute for hard work especially at our age.


"Stay thirsty my friends"
Nov. 26, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3938 posts
i take recovery supplements(NOS BLAST,WHEY PROTEIN and a couple others)which help in being able to move the 2nd and 3rd days of tourneys....also use cytomax when playing thru the day.....these can all be had at gnc,vitamin world,etc.....i get mine on ebay as it is cheaper there most of the time...
Nov. 26, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
211 posts
Hey we all take some form of medical enhancements in order to play! I understand that! IBPROFEN, Wintercrest, braces, etc yea no issues from me......But shooting up, HGH and all the other PED’s I just can’t put my finger on why guys over 50 want to do that, just to play ball!!
Nov. 26, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
381 posts
Have any of you guys ever had night sweats?
Do any of you feel fatigued all the time?
Do any of you feel lethargic a lot? Has your sex drive went to almost nothing? The answer to these questions for me was a astounding YES!!! I thought that was all part of getting old. Then I heard some seniors talking about hormone replacement therapy. I said "What,thats for women." Then I decided to check it out. You all have seen thses Low T commercials on TV. At my 45 year old phsical my Doctor asked me if I had ever heard of this Therapy and at that time I said no. He told me he had been doing it for about 10 years, he was 61 at the time, and he said he felt like he did when he was 50 years old. So all these years later, I'm now 52, I heard all this talk and decided to check it out. The first thing they do is aske you a bunch of questions, if you answer yes to too many of them, they will suggest you get a blood test to find out what your levels are. Levels of testosterone, HGH, PSA, Cholesterol, Estrogen, White blood cells, red blood cells, and everything else that I cannot think of. Then after they get the results they come up with an approach to get your levels at what they consider normal. I'll use my numbers as an example, my testosterone levels were 430. The average males levels are between 700-1000. So my Doctor reccommended me going on the Gel. I did this for 6 months and my numbers did not changed much, nor did any of my symtoms go away. Then the Doctor prescribes injectable testosterone 1/2 ML every week. I can't speak for everyone else but this was an answer to prayer for me. I immediatly quit having the night sweats, I found my ability to concentrate a whole lot more and that feeling of constant lethargicness went away. My sex drive has improved and it just makes me function a whole lot better.My HGH levels were not low , but if they were I would do that if the Doctor reccommended it for me.
Nov. 26, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
381 posts
I'm not any bigger than I have always been nor am I stronger than I was when I was young. To get to the performance enhancing stage you have to get your levels up to the 14-1500 range, which is unhealthy for anyone. Also , I will keep doing this as long as the Doctor wants me to. They key is to get your numbers where you feel the best. That might be 800 for 1 guy and 930 for the nest. WE are all different so what level is best for you is anyones guess. You just have to get it up to where you feel your symtoms go away.
Nov. 26, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
Gee-rightrj-are you referring to me with the IBU, Wintercrest and braces (and beer)? LOL That's what I use, anything beyond that is off limits. I've seen guys that used steroids, and all that and it's not for me. I can see it for a physical problem, but not to enhance. My choice is no.
Nov. 26, 2012
cyborg45
83 posts
2 months ago went in for my annual checkup. Asked the doc to check my testosterone. Came back at 240. Normal is 370 to 1200. I was floored since I take the supplement DHEA. 3 injections 3 weeks apart. Now at 750. More energy and zits, especially on my back. Workout in the off season(winter) 6 days a week. Seems to have helped.
Nov. 27, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
I have No Respect for anyone taking that Shit; it’s crazy to do that to your body, For a GAME. For a game you will kill yourself (darn fool). It's killing your organs that filter that drug. It screws up your body’s chemistry. Don't be a Lab rat. Eat the right foods; work out 6 days a week. Listen, people there are natural foods that will give you energy (honey). Proteins for muscles in fish and beans. If you want SIZE and strength lift heavy weights. If you want to be RIPPED and quick, you lift light with reps. of 40 to 50 per set, and doing 10 sets. Size, strength and stamina can still be obtain, But it takes HARD work.

What happen to the old way of earning it?

Nov. 27, 2012
softball4b
Men's 60
762 posts
I was hoping to get a Wallet enhancement, but I was told they only due extractions.
Nov. 29, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
Come on Man,
I didn’t mean to scare the users away. But I'm sure there are people who would love to hear your story, as to why are you taking the drug and what are the benefices of it.


That Wallet enhancement sounds real good Mike,

NOW, IF anyone can recommend a good supplement for this Arthritis in my hands and knuckles I would appreciate it. Right now I'm just dealing with the stiffness & discomfort. Don't do Ibuprofens because of my stomach.

Kennard
D&K 60m+.
Nov. 29, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
136 posts
YOGA is your Answer for "Stiffness & Discomfort" and for overall Mind, Body, Spirit! PED's will not Help with Diagnosed Arthritis, but click on the Livestrong link for some helpful information . . .

http://www.livestrong.com/article/96968-herbs-arthritis/


Regards,
Jeff White
Nov. 29, 2012
softball4b
Men's 60
762 posts
I am in trouble if they ever label beer and fried chicken as a PED.
Nov. 29, 2012
softball4b
Men's 60
762 posts
I looked at the Livestrong article, I have always been a Mary Ann fan myself.
Nov. 30, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
LISTEN: When I was in my 50's, my local doc told me my testosterone levels were low and recommended that I get testosterone injections. I figured he knew more about this than I did so I agreed. He gave me them for about 2 years. In 09', I discovered I had prostate cancer (NO SYMPTOMS). After much investigation, I had the robotic surgery. Learned I had it 10 years and it got out. Learned the testosterone feeds cancer cells PERIOD. Still dealing with it and praying GOD is healing me cause the docs can'r seem to. Don't do the "T" injections!!!
Nov. 30, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
136 posts
Mario, No Night Sweats for me, but 10-4 on the other stuff!

Kennard, I've never been into Weight Lifting, and I am not an Advocate on PED's in the Raw Sense! However, if I were to subscribe to Testosterone Treatment as in Mario's scenario, would you still have "No Respect" for this person?

I'm playing Devil's Advocate because in Mario & Surf88's scenario, they are/were being Prescribed Testosterone Therapy, but not in the context as a PED for an Edge in Senior Softball or just for the sake of Walking around Sleeveless. LOL, just Poking Fun at a couple of my Teammates & OKI Playa's ! ! !

Just Wondering, Where is the Line in the Sand ? ? ?


Jeff White #7
Arizona Elite
Nov. 30, 2012
Super V 10
Men's 50
70 posts
I have some questions for Canijack

How does it affect your chemistry
How do you kill yourself taking testosterone.
Who said he's going it for the game.
How do you kill you organs taking the dose your Dr say's to take
How do you build size and strength with no testosterone. (you can't)
What did you read or see that said that.
Can you please show me a link that backs up what you say.
I did not know testosterone was a PED

What if your wife came to you and said her thyroid stop producing hormones, would you tell her the same crap, or send her to the Dr for Hormone Replacement Therapy, It's the same

I think Mario and cyborg45 are right here

Surf88, your Dr an idiot, he should have check your prostate before starting you on T

And please no reply from the beer drinking Jim Rome Softball Guy's

Dave


Nov. 30, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
JDud, I’ll answer your question in a moment, But first.........

Hey Ed, my prayer is for you to become cancer free. You have helped a lot of people on this web and you are a good man in my eyes. I am praying for a cure for
Prostate cancer which as effected a number of us. I too have prostate issues and I have been taking medication for it the pass 10 or more years. Mario listens to Ed. Good luck Ed, I really mean it. And thanks Ed for sharing with us, I'm sure that your experience will help someone who reads this.

Now JDub,
I am humbled to anyone that has a medical issue. Please people go and see the Dr. when YOUR body tells you something is wrong.
My little brother hurt his back at a young age of 23. He was lifting medical supplies (Alcon Product) in his company provided SUV and his back went out. His Dr. started to give him Epidural Steroid shots in his lower back for the pain. It’s the same drug they give to women who are having a baby. To make a short story, The Dr. gave him 3 times the normal shorts. He should have had 3 shots a year and he was getting 3 every 3 months (The Dr. didn't know he had a hip issue) The Steroid affected everything in his hip area. The Epidural Steroid cuts blood supply was cut off to hip.
Avascular Necrosis, it mean cell death, blood supply was cut off to hip. He said BO Jackson had the same thing. Steroid use affects people differently.

So if you use or taking any type of Medical Roids Check with the Pain Centers on how much you can take.
Doctors are always prescribing the WRONG drug or dosage.

Also, I do and have always lifted weights, starting lifting weights in the the 7th grade. Love me some Jack Lalane even before I started lifting. So getting Big without the use of Steroid was and still is a thing of mine.

Sorry Ron, I didn't mean to a high jack.



Nov. 30, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
Sorry Ron, I didn't mean to do a high jacking of your post..
Nov. 30, 2012
BobLaser
Men's 50
38 posts
I like what canljack is writing . It makes sense. Do what you do naturally. It is always safer. Webbie, you're out of control mixing steroids, beer, and viagra.
Nov. 30, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
211 posts
Kennard No worries, I understand about you guys taking whatever it is that your Dr. states you need for the CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE....

But not for being able to compete on the 50+ Senior Slow Pitch Softball Major Plus Level!!!!

It funny to me that at this age some have EGO's so big or are just addicted to taking this CRAP is beyond my level of understanding!!! Guys drink your water, lift light weights, do Cardio on a regular bases and the most important thing we can do on a regular BASES is GET LAID!!!!!!
Nov. 30, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
Amen Brother, Amen Brother. Don't do Viagra (made my Big head hurt), but I do go down to China Town and pick up a little bottle of Chinese Herbs And its own and cracken. No, NO you don't drink it, and I'll leave it at that.
Nov. 30, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
136 posts
Dave (Super V 10),

Thank you for Comprehending my Perspective/Questions! Some folks are quick to "Tell other Folks" what to do and/or what not to do! We all age differently, experience different Health Issues, and have had someone Near & Dear affected as well. I mean No Disrespect, as I lost my Father under a Doctor's Care. He was being treated for, of all things, Psoriasis. The Prescribed Treatment was Steroids, and the Result was Death. So Kennard, you're Preaching to the Choir as I have first hand knowledge . . .

So I ask again, if I were to subscribe to Testosterone Treatment as in Mario's scenario, would you still have "No Respect" for me? I'm playing Devil's Advocate because in Mario & Surf88's scenario, they are/were being Prescribed Testosterone Therapy, but not in the context as a PED, not using for an Edge in Senior Softball. Just Wondering, Where is the Line in the Sand ? ? ?


Jeff White #7
Arizona Elite
Nov. 30, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
211 posts
Jeff,
I think the line is drawn at the Illness. I’m speaking Softball!!
I’m just wondering why the guys that take that shit without any Illness or Injury but just for looking good & cut at 50+
They have little talent, so they need that edge (I guess) in order to compete, and that’s where this conversation started!

Taking Prescribed Steroids for Psoriasis is not something I know about.
I do believe that taking Roids will crew you up over the long haul &
I’m not a very big FAN of Doctors and their prognosis of the goings on in our bodies…I will die sooner then later if I have to take medication in order to live pain & dieses free!
Nov. 30, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
c'mon Bob-Ibuprophen, beer and braces becomes that? I called the Dr. because I had the 'four-hour problem'. Dr. said are you taking viagra. I said NO. I didn't realize you had to be taking those pills for it to be a medical emergency.
Nov. 30, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts

jdub and dave

DID YOU READ MY FIRST SENTENCE?

Repeat..
Nov. 27, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
266 posts

I SAID
I have No Respect for anyone taking that Shit, it’s crazy to do that to your body, For a GAME,

I SAID FOR A GAME......AGAIN........... I SAID FOR A GAME!!!!!

I WROTE NOTHING ABOUT A PERSON'S QUALITY OF LIFE. SO GET BACK AND CHECK YOURSELF FELLOWS.

BY THE WAY ARE YOU 2 INDULING IN SOME OF THAT SHIT? YOU SOUND LIKE YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE SOME.

GET REAL.

Nov. 30, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
136 posts
When you read posts in chronological order and content, one may be looking for certain information from certain posters. When YOU, Kennard, post in Generalizations without Comprehending “Specific Topics of Discussion” it makes you look like you are a “Know it all.” In this scenario, a Doctor or Pharmacist. I Respect my Elders, when they lend Credibility to Relative Facts of said Discussions, so I won’t even bother guessing your level of Reading Comprehension. Now then, take your CAPS LOCK OFF, take a Deep Cleansing Breath and Enjoy the rest of your weekend ! ! !
Nov. 30, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
I see you like giving orders TOO. I'm not the one.
Nov. 30, 2012
BobLaser
Men's 50
38 posts
No, Webbie. You put your dumb brace on the wrong leg.
Nov. 30, 2012
DC13
13 posts
HGH , steroids and any other PED's for a medical issue is a no brainer when it comes to someones health. Some people use that stuff to improve thee appearance. That's a personal preference knowing the effects it could have on your life. But to use that stuff to enhance your game of softball is a joke.....

Just a reminder: a 301 foot home run counts the same as a 400 foot home run. With the life that these bats have there is no need for any more enhancement.

I agree with mad dog that whey protein helps keep u going into Sunday after the first 2 days. IBU's and a lot of ice help as well.

Lets face it we are all over 50. I think that we are victims of CALO-ROIDS more then anything.

JDUB does this require an IMHO?
Nov. 30, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
That dumb brace is what keeps me going . Without it the knee will blow out in a hurry.
Nov. 30, 2012
boston
306 posts
DC13: I have often called senior bats the 50 plus steroid. You hit a ball 350 with it and only 305-330 w/ a USSSA bat.
Webbie: That is one ugly brace. I hope you at least invested in a newer pair of shorts. lol

"Stay thirsty my friends"
Nov. 30, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
381 posts
Anyone wanting the facts, which is what I wanted, can get Life Extensions magazine. Usually they have an extensive article every month on some type of hormone therapy. Or you can get online and find all the information that you need about it. Anybody that know me knows how conservative I am, I was totally schocked at all the mis-information out there.
Nov. 30, 2012
BobLaser
Men's 50
38 posts
Oops. Sorry, Webbie. I didn't mean literally 'dumb'. That was supposed to be a joke. I must've had too many peds.
Dec. 1, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
Just giving you a hard time, Bob. LOL

boston-I'm finally going to throw those 30 year old coaches shorts away. I really did buy them in the 80's. You can't even find coaches shorts any more. This year I finally got some uniform pants and cut them to shorts for GSF.
Dec. 1, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1004 posts
if you are taking a PED Steriod or any other illegal type drug to get the edge in softball, your an idiot...

Anyone rehabing an injury or told by a doc that he needs to take something legally for medical reasons is not! plain is simple.
Dec. 6, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
322 posts
Well people let me first say that everyone's body deals with drugs differently. And by the way the drug Testosterone can also make you sterile. So young men beware and you old guys don't worry, you are probably shooting blanks away. Just heard on the Weekend Warrior show that there are people out there taking Viagra has an enhancer. Originally Viagra was supposed to be for Heart patents to dilate the Arteries and help blood flow. But as we see the Drug companies found out that it also help blood flow to areas that were consider dead in us old guys, this is too funny. So, the Drug Co. package it up and sold as a sex drug. Now we have guys using it as a enhancer. Come on Man!

Again No disrespect directed at the sick or shut in, but there is not enough information out there to be a lab rat. Again EVERYONE IS A LITTLE CHEMICALLY DIFFERENT
Dec. 6, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1004 posts
Jack in the Box commercial was the best... "Honey it's been over 4 hours"
Dec. 20, 2012
Wayne 37
203 posts
I suggest that everyone get a prostrate exam once a year. Don't do energy drinks. Exercise at least three times a week. Big muscles don't mean you are stronger. Do what your doctor tells you to do. Check with them about certain supplements. Leave your ego at the door.
Dec. 27, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Mario and Others: I had an appointment at MD Anderson in Houston on December 7th. When all was said and done, was told they could not locate the "C" cells and that it was inoperable and incurable. Quite a shocker. Told us it was time for hormone treatments to slow down the growth. Learned that the testosterone injections my doctor prescribed was the culprit that caused a type of fast growing aggressive "C" that afflicted me. Said it was the worst thing that anyone could have prescribed. Doctors practice medicine and the word to remember is practice. They don't always know what their prescribed advice will ultimately do to us afterward.

Visited Dr. Mary Blakley December 15th. She moved to US from Sweden. Has PHD in ultra sound scanning. Practiced 28 years at MD Anderson in "C" research. Did a full body ultra sound scan and found 2 kidney stones and some soft plaque deposits in one of my carotids. Both were discovered early and solvable. Did not see "C" cells and said that was good news. Said our body needs to be acidic for cells to grow. Recommended that we work on getting alkalidic PH. We are doing it and I believe that GOD is the almighty healer and is in charge of the healing of this affliction.

Don't just go out there men and do everything you hear is available to make yourself stronger or younger or better. Don't just listen to a doctor when he/she prescribes something to help you perform better.

I appreciate all of you who take part in senior ball. I look forward to seeing many of you down the road and in tournaments ahead. I'll be the one stretching singles into doubles. Thanks to all who have worked with me for their bat needs these past few years. And to my team mates, Happy Holidays.
Dec. 27, 2012
big cat7
Men's 50
96 posts
Im 56 years old 6ft2 and 270 pounds i work out five to six days a week for at least two hours a day and other than no explode and protein take nothing. Ive always been blessed with being able to hit and ive hit over a hundred homers in each of the last three years.My issue is what about us guys that take nothing but get accused of it all the time.Last year playing in a tournament on a field where the wind was blowing in 30 miles an hour i hit two very long home runs and in the innings after the other team which was a major team were crying that i was all juiced up.Some people may juice but most of us maybe just work hard at the game because we love to play
Dec. 27, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
136 posts
You are Fairly Safe from any Ribbings, as long as you don't cut your Sleeves off. Just ask our guys (LOL) ! ! !
Dec. 27, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Mario and All: I met w/ doctors at MD Anderson in Houston on December 7th. When all was said and done, was told they could not locate the "C" cells and that it was inoperable and incurable. Shocker! Told us it was time for hormone treatments to slow down the growth. Learned that testosterone injections my Dr prescribed was the culprit that caused the fast growing aggressive "C" that attacked me. They said the worst thing that anyone could have done was to prescribe testosterone injections. Doctors don't always know what their prescribed advice to patients could ultimately affect them afterward. Mine is one example.

I saw a preventative Dr December 15th. She moved to the US from Sweden & has PHD in ultra sound scanning. Practiced 28 years at MD Anderson in "C" research. Did a full scan on me & discovered 2 kidney stones and two soft "plaque" deposits. Both items were discovered early and are solvable. Did not see "C" cells and said that was great news. Said the body needs to be acidic for cells to grow. "C" needs a host to attach itself to (ie: organs or bone). She recommended I work on getting the body alkalidic PH. We are doing those things recommended. I also believe GOD is the almighty healer and is in charge of the healing of this attack and he is/has been healing me.

Please don't do everything a Dr suggests you do or that you hear is available to make yourself stronger or younger or better. Don't just listen to a doctor when he/she prescribes something to help you perform better.

I appreciate all of you who take part in senior ball on every level. I look forward to seeing many of you down the road and in many tournaments ahead. I'll be the one stretching singles into doubles. A special thanks to all who have worked with me these past few years for your bat needs. To my team mates both past and present, Happy Holidays and be well.
Dec. 27, 2012
SALSAKID49
Men's 55
117 posts
Guys... Kennard and others are correct.. PED's / HgH is NOT good for your body try at all possible to get your workouts in with comfort foods, dark and rich colored veggies/fruits, lean meats and fish, no fried foods, doughnuts and other refined junk foods, try to avoid the sodas pops, even Gatorade and anything that contains High Fructose Corn Syrup. If you're going to eat a burger at least make it a fur-burger and a side order of thighs.. LOL! ;) But seriously, may I suggest the multivitamins and herbs, I use for my workouts and daily life.
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Good luck to all in upcoming SSUSA 2013 season. :)
Dec. 28, 2012
Allan55
80 posts
There have been a number of comments back and forth regarding testosterone use. Check out this website. I think it will provide the information most are looking for.
http://www.pfrankmd.com/yd/male-hormones.html
Dec. 28, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
There is no free lunch. If a drug is strong enough to do something good it is strong enough to do bad things. Whenever a doc prescribes anything, ask what the downside is (side effects). And then do your own research and read every word of the hand outs the pharmacy gives you and ask the Pharmacy for the official FDA hand out. Much of it is incomprehensible to the layman, but you will learn plenty and learn if the doc should be questioned more. Remember the guy who graduated last in his med school class is
still called doctor. You need to be your own advocate.
Dec. 28, 2012
garyheifner
361 posts
All you gotta do is watch me and my team play a few innings and you will conclude no one on this team is using HGHs.
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