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Dec. 29, 2012
Steve 27
22 posts
survey
My opinion on retaining 4 3 count. I have continued playing several weekends a year with young guys who play 3 2 no foul. Trust me when I say it's awful! Guarantee you right of the gate your batting avg. will drop dramatically. You don't have the luxury of watching a few pitches and picking out a good one. The mindset has to be hit the first good pitch the pitcher throws or you are in the hole. If you take that first pitch and it's a strike you will be swinging at anything that resembles a strike for fear of going down looking. Smart pitchers are going to throw inside and attempt to get you to foul out. Look guys, we are seniors. We don't need to SPEED this game up. After all, think about how much we spend on a weekend of ball and now we want to make it harder on ourselves. Trust me when I say all this rule helps is umpires and directors. It does not benefit the players one bit. The young guys have already ruined the game we grew up playing. Let's not follow suite by adding this rule. My vote is a very demonstrative NO!!!
Dec. 29, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
i play 1-1 no foul to give and love it....who are we making it hard on,not the batters they have it real easy now...its the defense,or the pitcher that have it hard for them,lets give them a break.....
Dec. 29, 2012
JDub
Men's 50
131 posts
You are somewhat correct Steve, 1-1 count, none to waste doesn't Benefit everyone! Not sure what Level you play in Seniors and with the young guys, but in USSSA Major & ASA "A" Nationals 1-1, none to waste is the Rule. Good Pitchers gain a very slight edge, but it's still a True Hitters Game. The Majority of the 40 & 50 Major & Major Plus Senior Players have played or at least been exposed to 1-1, none to waste, so it's at that Level where the least resistance to the Rule should or will be. If SSUSA were to Experiment, one would think Major & Major Plus would be where to do so (IMHO) ! ! !

Don't lose any sleep over it, as the actual SSUSA Survey that was emailed was for 1-1, with 1 to waste (if I recall correctly) ! ? ! ?


Regards,
Jeff White #7
Arizona Elite
Dec. 29, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
976 posts
1 and 1 no foul or 1 foul.. it's a better way to go... more at bats for everyone and defense is at a better pace! I personally hate standing in the outfield waiting on batters taking the first two strikes before hitting.. waste of time!!!! I had two guys on my team a year ago that would not hit until 2 strikes, do the math and I have had enough three at bat games the last two years to last a life time because of time limit and guys grinding out ABs! I say if you are not going to 1 and 1 then extend the game 10 min! IMO
Dec. 29, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
Steve27, once again, we are not trying to SPEED the game up, we are trying to get more ACTION in the time given to play. At last check, the pitchers will still have to pitch the ball UNDERHANDED!
Dec. 30, 2012
leftyfalcon
Men's 65
156 posts
I think if the ump would tell the teams to get the rabbit ready. For it looks like every other hitter needs a runner. That would speed the game up.
Dec. 30, 2012
missouridave
Men's 55
69 posts
I believe that 1 and 1 no foul is the way to go. I answered the survey with the 1 and 1 with the foul, only because that was the only choice. Have played with that in tournaments and leagues. In my opinion it gives a better chance to get in seven innings and clearly makes the hitters more aggresive. Our pitcher loves it both as a pitcher and a hitter. They still throw it underhanded and you have three acres to hit the ball into!

Missouri Dave
Dec. 30, 2012
Allan55
79 posts
The main reason we all participate in senior softball is to play. I hear a number of players indicate they want the 1-1 count to get 7 innings in. What difference does it make if the game time is the same. The umpire is still going to call "open inning" after 4,5,or 6 innings after the allotted time. Everyone still gets to play the same amount of time. The 1-1 count will actually reduce our PT.
I think we need to address the courtesy runner. I will bet the courtesy runner adds an average of 1 minute per team per inning. If that is 2 minutes per inning, that is 12 minutes in a 6 inning game. If we reduce the courtesy runner to 1 per inning (at the younger age divisions and two for the older divisions), I feel this would allow for more PT.
...and if you really want to reduce PT and keep the same rules, ban the bats. The kids' bats are lively enough.
Dec. 31, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
Allan55, FYI 90% of the "kids" bats are doctored, and actually are more lively than a non-doctored senior bat.

And again, who says they want to REDUCE playing time?
Dec. 31, 2012
GI
Men's 60
157 posts
Thanks J DUB for comments about1-1. I agree big time. I was able to practice this past week at Eldorado and Chap. parks with guys who pracice twice a week in Scottsdale. I loved the 1-1 count just like league or when we played with the kids. If guys do not want to hit first pitch that is strike let them come to plate without a bat first pitch.I throw down the middle either way.Nice to see you and some of guys we played 40 and over with (Dom and others)Years ago. I turn 60 in march times flies but I do not. HA.GI
Dec. 31, 2012
Allan55
79 posts
Jawood,
1-1 counts don't extend PT. As for kid bats being doctored...I agree. However, I just took swings last week with a TPS Z2000 and balls exploded off the bat. Balls were flying out of the park.
Dec. 31, 2012
JamesLG
295 posts

The 1-1 count I am not a fan of but it would speed the game up. The lack of hustle getting on and off the field plus the abundance of courtesy runners is a bigger problem. Courtesy runners are great but in many cases they take far to long to make the change.

James
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