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Discussion: Alternative to 1 - 1 rule.

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Jan. 3, 2013
Steve 27
22 posts
Alternative to 1 - 1 rule.
I ran a tournament years ago and went with this pitch count. 3 balls walk 3 strikes out. This gives equal weight to a ball and a strike. 3rd strike foul would be an out. This would speed the game up as well without affecting the hitter. Think about it...why should only 3 strikes be an out and yet it takes 4 balls to walk? Would be interested to hear your feedback. Also, concerning the mat. The only person the mat helps is the umpire. I'd like to see the mat done away with and play the game the way we've played it all our life. Question would come onto play what if it hits the plate? Ball or strike. This outta be some good fodder for you guys!
Jan. 3, 2013
Robo2
213 posts
Steve, I rather have the standard count but am open to your idea of 3 & 3. I still want the mat because the quality of the umpires is not consistent. It does take alot of pressure off them and the only argurement is height.
Jan. 3, 2013
JDub
Men's 50
131 posts
3-3 Alternative is no big deal, but I would still prefer none to waste! The MAT on the other hand does give an edge to some Pitchers, especialy with a nice breeze across the plate! The MAT is Absolutely Necessary, as it Minimizes the Argument of Balls & Strikes which helps keep Games on Schedule (IMHO). There are still plenty of Height Arguments, but that stems from 10' ASA Arc, versus 12' SSUSA Arc. I prefer less than 10' as a Hitter, but definitely prefer 12' as a Pitcher ! ! !
Jan. 3, 2013
southpaw
Men's 60
715 posts
I personally like 1/1, but 3/3 sounds great as well. I do like the mat for umpire purposes, but as a pitcher who throws a lot of curves that break across the strike zone and then miss hitting the mat by a quarter of an inch is maddening.

Like most on the website, I love to play softball, so I will play no mater what the rules are going to be.
Jan. 3, 2013
southpaw
Men's 60
715 posts
matter!
Jan. 4, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Just a comment-if you were a hitter trying to work a walk, wouldn't you be MORE apt to take the first couple pitches because it only takes 3 balls to get that walk?
Jan. 4, 2013
southpaw
Men's 60
715 posts
Very thoughtful question Webbie. Would that only hold true if the pitcher is struggling? If the pitcher is on his game and hitting the corners, throwing mostly strikes, my thought is that batters would come to the plate more aggressive.

For me, a walk on 3 would certainly encourage me to work on my capabilities as a pitcher and it would also serve to weed out those who are less proficient.

My desire is really 1/1 and other aspects of our game such as pinch runners delays being adjusted so that games will get maximum innings played.

As an aside, Most of the teams in the South probably think my pitching is just "Meat" anyhow--good for batting practice!!
Jan. 4, 2013
boston
296 posts
Webbie
Jan. 4, 2013
boston
296 posts
Webbie: Sorry, hit enter instead of shift. Anyway why would anyone play slow pitch softball and try to work a walk. Swing the bat. lol
Jan. 5, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
boston-you know me. How often do I walk?
Jan. 5, 2013
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
Rarely!!!
Jan. 5, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
I thought I might get a reply out of you, sliplayer. After you had a year of batting after me...well, we have had that discussion.
Jan. 5, 2013
boston
296 posts
Webbie: I hear ya. If I happen to walk my teammates start making comments like. "I thought Tony was at bat, who is that guy taking a walk." lol I was in Rio Rancho for Christmas visiting my daughters and grandkids. Froze my butt off. I have definitely acclamated myself to southern NM. We are still playing our league. You should come down some weekend get some cuts before Tucson. League plays Sat. the 12th and 19th in the NE complex on McCombs in El Paso. Games start at 9am it might be to hot for you temp will be in the 40's. :)


"Stay thirsty my friends"
Jan. 5, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
We're not going to Tucson, but it might be fun to get down there soon. Is your snow gone??
Jan. 5, 2013
boston
296 posts
of course it's southern NM. Three inches of snow caused 20 accidents in 1 day.
Jan. 5, 2013
Tim Millette
465 posts
Since this thread is about alternatives...

Maybe instead of 3-3 you go to 3-5.... No extra foul.

If it takes five balls to walk maybe more guys will know they are going to have to swing at some point and the pitcher gets to work the corners a little more.

It's way out of the box but then again.... Infielders and pitchers wearing face masks and catchers gear, Seniors hitting home runs/lasers at a rate they couldnt when they were young.....inning over after five runs, homerun limits because they are so easy to hit......I guess it wouldn't be that different after all
Jan. 5, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Why not eliminate the walk? If a player TAKES 2 strikes he is out. If he hits a foul ball then he gets three strikes. But at least he is swinging. And, if a pitcher throws 5 balls to one batter, he is ejected. That will force him to throw strikes. That should speed up the game.
Jan. 5, 2013
garyheifner
334 posts
Steve

Please don't ever take away the mat. Most umps don't have a clue on what 12 feet is for the top of the legal arc. How are they going to be consistant on what is short or deep for a strike. I remember back in the 80s when USSSA, at an ump training session, tried to tell us that a perfectly legal arc pitch could land 10-12 inches behind the plate and be a ball. How do you think that would go over with a bunch of grumpy old men? Remove the mat and I think the bitching and moaning would become outrageous.

I also think the mat is good for the hitters. The pitchers have to hit it and the batters have to defend it. I see consistency there.

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