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Bob Woodroof

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, Sept. 12, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Kent Cook of The Merchants, Shubins, Cambells, Rebs lost his battle with cancer

Kandi, I played with Kent in '72 and '73 but mostly played against him... he respected the game, having played minor league baseball.
He was definitely one of softball's 'characters'... thinking of some of his 'capers' brings a smile to my face.
I know how you feel about him and am sorry for your loss.
Bob Woodroof

, Aug. 30, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Colin Kaepernick

I believe that CK is sincere in his actions. A lot of people have fought and died in order to give him/us the freedom to speak out.
I personally wish he'd use a different method but this is what he's chosen. In doing so, he does bring attention to the issue but it needs more than mere attention.
I agree with almost everything said in this thread as it is a multi-faceted problem with no clear solution.
One thing I don't agree with is the part about CK being a POS... he may be choosing the wrong avenue but he is not a POS. In his press conference I did not get the sense that he is unintelligent.
BW

, Aug. 23, 2016
16wood
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Why are there rules?

Each person who uses this message board to express himself/herself has the right to include personal information or not. You can click on anyone's handle on the left hand margin and see whether he or she chooses to do so.
The choice to do it or not was provided by none other than SSUSA.

When someone posts their thoughts they again have this choice. I choose to use my name because I believe it carries more weight. When I see someone's name I can more readily identify with them. But the absence of their name doesn't render their points invalid.
Others choose to not include their name, etc. That is one of the freedoms that SSUSA has given us.
If 'Hitem' (or anyone else) decides that he doesn't want his/her name on it, that is his/her business...
This issue has been debated numerous times over the years on this forum. The end result has always been that we cannot force others to see things the way that we see them.

There is little change made that comes from this board. It is merely a place for self expression. Had Hitem used his name (and the TDs) it still wouldn't be an impetus for change. DD has stated this many, many times. Let's not confuse this board with a letter to our congressman.

DBAX stated that he provided a written complaint previously. Did it make a difference? Only he'd know.
Bob Woodroof
, Aug. 18, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Top Gun Summer Classic

Bill, I'm guessing that Google is tardy with the up date. When I drove through that area 2 days my car Nav system showed an extremely faint line for the connection.
But I can attest to its completion... perhaps they've solved the const issue by now but I cannot swear to it... again, it's only impacting the southbound lanes and only at peak times.
BW
, Aug. 17, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Top Gun Summer Classic

Avenida La Pata will is now open all the way to Ortega Hwy and then becomes Antonio Parkway. This will help the guys coming in from IE or RSM, Foothill Ranch, Mission Viejo, Ladera, etc. IE guys can take 241 until it ends, go west on Oso to Antonio, south to fields.
Leaving Steed Park is simpler now if you're going north...
On Fri, coming southbound on Antonio/La Pata is made more difficult near San Juan Hills HS as const reduces it to one lane... peak traffic times are based upon parents dropping kids off at SJHHS or picking them up (7:45am and 2:45pm)... I sat there for 15 minutes yesterday at 2:45pm.
This shouldn't be as much of an issue on Sat/Sun.
Guys getting hung up on I-5 can take Ortega Hwy east to Antonio/La Pata, turn right and go straight to park... it's maybe 5 miles from Ortega to fields. (given the same parameters as stated above).
BW
, July 15, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WESTERN NATIONALS

Lee Lee, I do not disagree on that point either... my previous post was partly 'tongue in cheek'... but DD did put that out there.
I've played in Aurora, CO, and it is a fantastic place to place. All of the things that JB (and DBax) said about it are true.
When it was moved to Sacramento in 2013, SSUSA added in the part about division winners assuming no 1 or 2 seeds in LV. I don't know the full impact this makes on attendance but I do believe it increases it to some degree.
The biggest impact is that there are just a lot of CA teams to draw from. IMO, Sacramento is a nice place to play as well, other than the oppressive heat at times...
BW
, July 15, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WESTERN NATIONALS

Lee Lee,
I don't disagree with your point on the comparative numbers. But as to the tax paying structure of SSUSA, the following is an excerpt from Dave Dowell on June 30.


[1] We are a health and welfare benefit based non-profit corporation (since 1989) and, accordingly, do not expose our players to risk of injury from any sources, including weather

Granted, it's taken out of context but it does state the status of SSUSA and that it is the same status its had since 1989.
If I lived in the midwest I'd prefer that an event be held closer to home as well.
We'd go to more of the other assn events if they were closer to us.
BW
, June 30, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HOW TO PREVENT A HEATSTROKE

As you'll recall, they get pretty stiff in the heat... the single bar face guards were helpful though...
The bats in Palm Springs got pretty hot to the touch... we had no composites then...
You were probably still the toughest guy in 4th grade... but you were 14 at the time... (-:
, June 30, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HOW TO PREVENT A HEATSTROKE

If we are 'taking personal responsibility for our own health' we would be moved to ask if there is a point when games would be postponed (based upon heat index)? It seems like a legitimate question from my perspective.
I was a senior in high school when the local temp was 118 and they postponed our football game to the next night (Sept, 1964). I was shocked that they did so but their concern was our health.
I was playing 50s in August, 1997, in Palm Springs. At 2pm it was 112 (in the shade) and we still played... we theorized that the temp on the dirt was close to 130...
Two different organizations, two different postures.
BW
, June 20, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

Rob, for the purposes of your question, you have to forget the SSUSA MVP awards... there not necessarily performance based as SSUSA Staff intimated at in their most recent post. If EVERY team receives one it cannot possibly be used for HOF nomination.
Further, SSUSA does not provide a tournament MVP... i.e. one award for each division.
SPA does provide an MVP award per division. It also provides 'x' amount of All Tourney Awards to a team, depending upon where they finish. It is possible for a player to earn both an AT award AND the MVP trophy but this is up to the discretion of the team.

'the way I've read it, a player in Major/Major+ with 4 All Tourney or All world in the SPA and SSUSA Masters Championships and 4 MVP's in SPA would only have 4 points'
Based upon this scenario, you could conclude that he has 8 points...
Don's insight is valuable because he sees what actually goes into the nomination or induction process.
BW

, June 18, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

Rob, as you know, the SSUSA/LVSSA Masters WC in LV provides an MVP Medallion to every team. The teams determine who earns it... they do not pick an MVP Award for the whole bracket or bracket winner.
The medallion recipient cannot count it as a point (or 1/2 point).
SPA has an MVP award for tourney winner... this does count as a point (1/2 pt).
This may be the missing link in this dialogue.
But my answer to your question (on how many points that player would earn) is 2. In SPA the MVP doesn't necessarily make All Tourney. We've awarded the AT AWARDS to players other than the MVP. SSUSA doesn't have an MVP award, as stated abov3, other than the medallion.
BW
, June 17, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

'do I read right that you get a point just for playing either Major or major Plus in Nationals or World's?'

Mark, only the All Tourney Award winners receive a point (or 1/2 point). No one gets a point for just participating in those events.
Still, this is flawed in that the teams select the recipients themselves and not all of them do it on a merit basis. A point 'poorly earned' is still a point.
BW
, June 16, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

Dave, you are correct... the point wasn't clear to me... my fault.
It's true that the merger removed one more opportunity for HOF points. So did the loss of NSA,USSSA and SSWS.
The HOF already has so many players in it that the honor is diminished. Perhaps now there are fewer chances the inductees will be in line with what HOF really means.
This is just my opinion though...
BW
, June 16, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

The following info was taken from the SSHOF web site, nomination requirement pages.

Point System Nomination Path
Who is eligible?
All nominees must be a minimum of 60 years old, have participated a minimum of 10 years in senior
softball, and may begin earning nomination points at age 50. The following are the identified
categories that are available for nominations:
Player
Players may earn the following points from playing in National or World Senior Tournaments.
Major Plus & Major Classification 1
st Team All Tournament 1 Point
AAA 1st Team All Tournament Point
A player must have a minimum of 8 total points to be considered for nomination.

I do not read into it that the SSUSA/LVSSA World Masters Tourney doesn't count toward HOF points. Am I missing something? Does the word 'Masters' exclude it from HOF consideration?

Bob Woodroof
, June 7, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: What do you expect?

Bruce, I like playing in SSUSA for most of the things you mentioned. I'm not really concerned about the type of awards we get. Patches, smatches...
The downside for me is that, in general, we've supported SSUSA so much that it has driven the competition away (we = the senior teams in total, not just our team). File this in the 'be careful of what you wish for' category.
Ten years ago there were 9 different senior associations... ASA, USSSA, NSA, ISSA, ISA (not affiliated with SSUSA at the time), SSWS, LVSSA, SPA and SSUSA. Many said that there too many and that this hurt us in terms of bracket size.
Since then, NSA, SSWS and USSSA went away. Yes, I'm aware that the latter does hold an occasional event but it's a well kept secret and their model sucks, to be frank. SSUSA merged with (or consumed) LVSSA, which was one of our better world series each year. Bill Ruth, 50% partner of SSUSA, bought ISA and are governed by largely the same rules.
ASA has its head buried as far as senior events go and this had a secondary effect on SSWS and ISSA, as both used its rule model.
SPA ceased being the 'go to' event for M+ when they implemented their 'impact player' limitation. Really? Too many impact players for M+?
This began in earnest when SSUSA decided to extend the 1.2 bat deadline and its competitors dropped to 98 mph bats (ASA mantra).
The result for us (M+ teams) is the same minimal brackets plus we're forced to use 'rec type' rules. This is particularly so when playing M teams (or below). The pencil necks on the rules committee seem to rubber stamp the 'New Narrative'. This seems to work much more conveniently than the Senior Summit, an effort to consolidate the associations for mostly positive reasons.
Now the 'higher ups' at SSUSA are to be commended for their vision and for many other positives. Each year we're told of how much bigger their tourneys are... but are they better? When you pay $700 (+ -) and play at Shadow Rock it has to be difficult to feel really good about the experience. Paying $575 and playing at Rancho San Rafael (1 of 3 days) also has little to recommend it.
I'll feel better when quality is valued higher than quantity. As a part of a M+ team I'll also feel better when we can play real M+ ball. These two things won't happen voluntarily on SSUSA's part.
Recognize that most of this diatribe is about the M+ experience, aside from the 'entry fee v. horse shit fields' part.
So, no, the same old patches aren't a huge consideration for me.
:-)
BW

, May 21, 2016
16wood
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Best Batting Glove for Pratice

I used to buy the Rawlings batting gloves with the heel pads... they only lasted so long until the pad came apart.
For the past few years I've used either UA off the rack gloves (Big 5, Sports Auth, Sports Chalet, etc.) or have ordered Boombah gloves.
Neither have the heel pads and both last longer... go figure.
I've bought $30 gloves and they didn't last any longer than the $15 pairs... nor did they 'perform' any better.
I use the same gloves in bp as in games... when they wear out I get more.
I like the Boombah gloves slightly better.
Bob Woodroof
, May 18, 2016
16wood
Topic: Bats
Discussion: HELP---I just don't get it!

Most Dudley users that I know just use it as they do any other bat. They don't clean it, etc.
I've seen lots of guys using the new Adidas, bal and end load, and it has a smooth finish... still hits knuckleballs... as does the Dudley and Reeboks... and others.
Omar is 100% correct... if the magician is confident in his wand he'll perform better whether it offers a physical advantage or not. Most of softball is played between the ears.
BW

, May 18, 2016
16wood
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Confusion on coach's interference.

It can't be a '3rd strike foul out' until it hits the ground past the base or some other object (like a dugout fence or)... until then it's fly ball. If it's caught, it's ruled an F8, F10 or whatever.
We've been playing with this rule for a really long time. In fact, we make a point of telling corner fielders to let it drop if there is a tag up possibility.
If the fielder isn't certain that it's fair or foul, and no one tells him otherwise, he's supposed to catch it.
Conversely, if it's a roller we tell the fielder to touch it in foul territory if he's in front of the base. That makes it an official K... if there were 2 strikes.
This, too , has long been part of our general way of doing things.
But the play that was described in the first post (by Dodger Don) has never happened in a game that I've witnessed... I've wondered how it would be called.
BW
, May 2, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Who is going to Reno?

Steve, we went to Salem, OR, in 2006 for the USSSA Masters Tourney (55 M+). We had been told that there would be 4 teams in our division but 48 hours prior we learned that we were the only one... imagine our surprise... (-:
Reno can be a great venue but not if there are only 3 teams. If we do hear from Ruth or Envirovac (and they'll be playing in the 65 M+ bracket) I'll do everything I can to sell our team on it.
LV was a disappointment with just 2 teams, from my perspective... not to take anything away from your win. Your team played real well.
BW
, May 2, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Who is going to Reno?

Steve, I've been told that a couple of Northwest teams will also be there, Ruth Realty and Envirovac. But my info does not come from anyone on either of those teams.
I would like to hear/read it from their managers or team reps.
Reno is not a convenient location for many of our players and I would like to make a decision based on solid input.
I received direct communication from the Old A's mgr and they'll be there (as you probably knew).
BW
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