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Bob Woodroof

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, Dec. 2, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 2017 Adidas Melee 2

Trotter, how does the 12" barrel compare to the 13" in terms of swing weight? i.e. will a 27 oz End Load 12" and a 27 oz 13" swing similarly?
Or... should a hitter consider dropping or adding an ounce to the original Adidas Melee 2?
Bob Woodroof
, Nov. 9, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Some justice served.

Staff and Mango:
Thanks for the correction on the GSF reference. For those of us who put a lot into the GSF team, and what it stood for, any connection to GSC is a bitter pill.
Clearly, a mistake such as this would be an easy one to make... long ago, there were many times I wanted to insert a C for an F.
I 'tested' the GSC bat 3 1/2 years ago. As clandestine as Steve McKinlay was with it, I have always wondered which 'version' we used that day... the approved one or something greater than 1.21. As Stick stated, every promise of a demo bat was followed by an excuse and more promises.
When I learned that the P:413 was 1/8" too long I spoke with Steve about this. He simply explained that it was actually the correct length but all of the other bats were too short (seriously). I thought that this seemed preposterous but he was adamant that this was the case... and so it went him.
He had even more ridiculous assertions prior to his association with GSC.
Bob Woodroof
, Oct. 27, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Speed up rules

Those of you who want a faster game... have you ever considered indoor soccer?
The game was what it was years ago and we liked it so much that we play it into our senior years.
Now everyone offers these 'simple solutions' to change the game... read = more rule changes. Sort of reminds me of the guys on the architectural committees of the local HOA.
It aint broke!
WTF!
Bob Woodroof
, Oct. 10, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hall of Fame Points

Those rules are from the National Senior Softball HOF Nomination page... not from SSUSA.
BW
, Oct. 7, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hall of Fame Points

I cannot speak for the SSUSA HOF as I'm not sure what process they use for inductions.
The National Senior Softball HOF nomination info can be found at sshof.com
It's true that there are fewer 'HOF point' opportunities than before. In fact, I believe that NASCS is also defunct... or it's making a serious run at the elusive National Hide and Seek Championships which have been held at unknown locations for the past 4 years.
The fact that 3 of the remaining 4 HOF Point tourneys are east of the Mississippi is largely irrelevant. IMO, convenience isn't a primary element. Those events do not restrict the participation to teams east or west of the Continental Divide or the Mississippi River.
This should be a highly prestigious honor only given to the truly elite players.
Perhaps they should create more HOFs so the masses could be included... or have them in each region.
It is called the National Senior Softball Hall of Fame. for a reason.
Bob Woodroof

, Sept. 12, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Kent Cook of The Merchants, Shubins, Cambells, Rebs lost his battle with cancer

Kandi, I played with Kent in '72 and '73 but mostly played against him... he respected the game, having played minor league baseball.
He was definitely one of softball's 'characters'... thinking of some of his 'capers' brings a smile to my face.
I know how you feel about him and am sorry for your loss.
Bob Woodroof

, Aug. 30, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Colin Kaepernick

I believe that CK is sincere in his actions. A lot of people have fought and died in order to give him/us the freedom to speak out.
I personally wish he'd use a different method but this is what he's chosen. In doing so, he does bring attention to the issue but it needs more than mere attention.
I agree with almost everything said in this thread as it is a multi-faceted problem with no clear solution.
One thing I don't agree with is the part about CK being a POS... he may be choosing the wrong avenue but he is not a POS. In his press conference I did not get the sense that he is unintelligent.
BW

, Aug. 23, 2016
16wood
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Why are there rules?

Each person who uses this message board to express himself/herself has the right to include personal information or not. You can click on anyone's handle on the left hand margin and see whether he or she chooses to do so.
The choice to do it or not was provided by none other than SSUSA.

When someone posts their thoughts they again have this choice. I choose to use my name because I believe it carries more weight. When I see someone's name I can more readily identify with them. But the absence of their name doesn't render their points invalid.
Others choose to not include their name, etc. That is one of the freedoms that SSUSA has given us.
If 'Hitem' (or anyone else) decides that he doesn't want his/her name on it, that is his/her business...
This issue has been debated numerous times over the years on this forum. The end result has always been that we cannot force others to see things the way that we see them.

There is little change made that comes from this board. It is merely a place for self expression. Had Hitem used his name (and the TDs) it still wouldn't be an impetus for change. DD has stated this many, many times. Let's not confuse this board with a letter to our congressman.

DBAX stated that he provided a written complaint previously. Did it make a difference? Only he'd know.
Bob Woodroof
, Aug. 18, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Top Gun Summer Classic

Bill, I'm guessing that Google is tardy with the up date. When I drove through that area 2 days my car Nav system showed an extremely faint line for the connection.
But I can attest to its completion... perhaps they've solved the const issue by now but I cannot swear to it... again, it's only impacting the southbound lanes and only at peak times.
BW
, Aug. 17, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Top Gun Summer Classic

Avenida La Pata will is now open all the way to Ortega Hwy and then becomes Antonio Parkway. This will help the guys coming in from IE or RSM, Foothill Ranch, Mission Viejo, Ladera, etc. IE guys can take 241 until it ends, go west on Oso to Antonio, south to fields.
Leaving Steed Park is simpler now if you're going north...
On Fri, coming southbound on Antonio/La Pata is made more difficult near San Juan Hills HS as const reduces it to one lane... peak traffic times are based upon parents dropping kids off at SJHHS or picking them up (7:45am and 2:45pm)... I sat there for 15 minutes yesterday at 2:45pm.
This shouldn't be as much of an issue on Sat/Sun.
Guys getting hung up on I-5 can take Ortega Hwy east to Antonio/La Pata, turn right and go straight to park... it's maybe 5 miles from Ortega to fields. (given the same parameters as stated above).
BW
, July 15, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WESTERN NATIONALS

Lee Lee, I do not disagree on that point either... my previous post was partly 'tongue in cheek'... but DD did put that out there.
I've played in Aurora, CO, and it is a fantastic place to place. All of the things that JB (and DBax) said about it are true.
When it was moved to Sacramento in 2013, SSUSA added in the part about division winners assuming no 1 or 2 seeds in LV. I don't know the full impact this makes on attendance but I do believe it increases it to some degree.
The biggest impact is that there are just a lot of CA teams to draw from. IMO, Sacramento is a nice place to play as well, other than the oppressive heat at times...
BW
, July 15, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WESTERN NATIONALS

Lee Lee,
I don't disagree with your point on the comparative numbers. But as to the tax paying structure of SSUSA, the following is an excerpt from Dave Dowell on June 30.


[1] We are a health and welfare benefit based non-profit corporation (since 1989) and, accordingly, do not expose our players to risk of injury from any sources, including weather

Granted, it's taken out of context but it does state the status of SSUSA and that it is the same status its had since 1989.
If I lived in the midwest I'd prefer that an event be held closer to home as well.
We'd go to more of the other assn events if they were closer to us.
BW
, June 30, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HOW TO PREVENT A HEATSTROKE

As you'll recall, they get pretty stiff in the heat... the single bar face guards were helpful though...
The bats in Palm Springs got pretty hot to the touch... we had no composites then...
You were probably still the toughest guy in 4th grade... but you were 14 at the time... (-:
, June 30, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HOW TO PREVENT A HEATSTROKE

If we are 'taking personal responsibility for our own health' we would be moved to ask if there is a point when games would be postponed (based upon heat index)? It seems like a legitimate question from my perspective.
I was a senior in high school when the local temp was 118 and they postponed our football game to the next night (Sept, 1964). I was shocked that they did so but their concern was our health.
I was playing 50s in August, 1997, in Palm Springs. At 2pm it was 112 (in the shade) and we still played... we theorized that the temp on the dirt was close to 130...
Two different organizations, two different postures.
BW
, June 20, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

Rob, for the purposes of your question, you have to forget the SSUSA MVP awards... there not necessarily performance based as SSUSA Staff intimated at in their most recent post. If EVERY team receives one it cannot possibly be used for HOF nomination.
Further, SSUSA does not provide a tournament MVP... i.e. one award for each division.
SPA does provide an MVP award per division. It also provides 'x' amount of All Tourney Awards to a team, depending upon where they finish. It is possible for a player to earn both an AT award AND the MVP trophy but this is up to the discretion of the team.

'the way I've read it, a player in Major/Major+ with 4 All Tourney or All world in the SPA and SSUSA Masters Championships and 4 MVP's in SPA would only have 4 points'
Based upon this scenario, you could conclude that he has 8 points...
Don's insight is valuable because he sees what actually goes into the nomination or induction process.
BW

, June 18, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

Rob, as you know, the SSUSA/LVSSA Masters WC in LV provides an MVP Medallion to every team. The teams determine who earns it... they do not pick an MVP Award for the whole bracket or bracket winner.
The medallion recipient cannot count it as a point (or 1/2 point).
SPA has an MVP award for tourney winner... this does count as a point (1/2 pt).
This may be the missing link in this dialogue.
But my answer to your question (on how many points that player would earn) is 2. In SPA the MVP doesn't necessarily make All Tourney. We've awarded the AT AWARDS to players other than the MVP. SSUSA doesn't have an MVP award, as stated abov3, other than the medallion.
BW
, June 17, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

'do I read right that you get a point just for playing either Major or major Plus in Nationals or World's?'

Mark, only the All Tourney Award winners receive a point (or 1/2 point). No one gets a point for just participating in those events.
Still, this is flawed in that the teams select the recipients themselves and not all of them do it on a merit basis. A point 'poorly earned' is still a point.
BW
, June 16, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

Dave, you are correct... the point wasn't clear to me... my fault.
It's true that the merger removed one more opportunity for HOF points. So did the loss of NSA,USSSA and SSWS.
The HOF already has so many players in it that the honor is diminished. Perhaps now there are fewer chances the inductees will be in line with what HOF really means.
This is just my opinion though...
BW
, June 16, 2016
16wood
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Awards

The following info was taken from the SSHOF web site, nomination requirement pages.

Point System Nomination Path
Who is eligible?
All nominees must be a minimum of 60 years old, have participated a minimum of 10 years in senior
softball, and may begin earning nomination points at age 50. The following are the identified
categories that are available for nominations:
Player
Players may earn the following points from playing in National or World Senior Tournaments.
Major Plus & Major Classification 1
st Team All Tournament 1 Point
AAA 1st Team All Tournament Point
A player must have a minimum of 8 total points to be considered for nomination.

I do not read into it that the SSUSA/LVSSA World Masters Tourney doesn't count toward HOF points. Am I missing something? Does the word 'Masters' exclude it from HOF consideration?

Bob Woodroof
, June 7, 2016
16wood
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: What do you expect?

Bruce, I like playing in SSUSA for most of the things you mentioned. I'm not really concerned about the type of awards we get. Patches, smatches...
The downside for me is that, in general, we've supported SSUSA so much that it has driven the competition away (we = the senior teams in total, not just our team). File this in the 'be careful of what you wish for' category.
Ten years ago there were 9 different senior associations... ASA, USSSA, NSA, ISSA, ISA (not affiliated with SSUSA at the time), SSWS, LVSSA, SPA and SSUSA. Many said that there too many and that this hurt us in terms of bracket size.
Since then, NSA, SSWS and USSSA went away. Yes, I'm aware that the latter does hold an occasional event but it's a well kept secret and their model sucks, to be frank. SSUSA merged with (or consumed) LVSSA, which was one of our better world series each year. Bill Ruth, 50% partner of SSUSA, bought ISA and are governed by largely the same rules.
ASA has its head buried as far as senior events go and this had a secondary effect on SSWS and ISSA, as both used its rule model.
SPA ceased being the 'go to' event for M+ when they implemented their 'impact player' limitation. Really? Too many impact players for M+?
This began in earnest when SSUSA decided to extend the 1.2 bat deadline and its competitors dropped to 98 mph bats (ASA mantra).
The result for us (M+ teams) is the same minimal brackets plus we're forced to use 'rec type' rules. This is particularly so when playing M teams (or below). The pencil necks on the rules committee seem to rubber stamp the 'New Narrative'. This seems to work much more conveniently than the Senior Summit, an effort to consolidate the associations for mostly positive reasons.
Now the 'higher ups' at SSUSA are to be commended for their vision and for many other positives. Each year we're told of how much bigger their tourneys are... but are they better? When you pay $700 (+ -) and play at Shadow Rock it has to be difficult to feel really good about the experience. Paying $575 and playing at Rancho San Rafael (1 of 3 days) also has little to recommend it.
I'll feel better when quality is valued higher than quantity. As a part of a M+ team I'll also feel better when we can play real M+ ball. These two things won't happen voluntarily on SSUSA's part.
Recognize that most of this diatribe is about the M+ experience, aside from the 'entry fee v. horse shit fields' part.
So, no, the same old patches aren't a huge consideration for me.
:-)
BW

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