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Real name:
Jim Goff

Location:
Davenport, IA

Division:
Men's 60

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June 1, 2019
jgoff5113
No biggie B.J. Yeah I guess the thread I started did get hijacked, when one considers that my original question was about base stealing and passed balls, and not about foul balls at all. LOL. :-)
May 30, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

Thanks Wayne 37. See first post from TimMcElroy above, citing the same Rule 8.4(8), and my response to him immediately below his post.
May 30, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

What I'm putting together, Nancy, is what I believe are the potential differences between senior slow pitch softball as played in SSUSA tournaments, and senior slow pitch as played in certain Caribbean and Latin American countries. So far I have learned, for example, that in senior slow pitch in Venezuela, they allow 10 defenders just as we do, but in the Dominican Republic, they allow only 9 as in baseball. And the manner of pitching is different from our pitch in both of those countries; plus, significantly, their catchers crouch behind the plate and wear a catcher's mask as in baseball. There is no strike mat; instead, the strike zone is much the same as in baseball. And that made me question whether they have passed balls and wild pitches in their version of senior slow pitch softball.

Because of all these similarities to baseball, I got to wondering whether in Latin American senior slow pitch softball, "the ball is always live unless the umpire calls time" as you stated. And that's why I decided I needed to explicitly include in my document a statement/rule that in SSUSA softball, runners cannot advance between pitches. Thus I started looking for such a concise statement in the SSUSA rule book.

And yes, I have included the "hit and sit" rule for home runs as written in the SSUSA rule book, because I agree it saves time and I don't know whether in the Latin American version of our game, runners are required to circle the bases on a home run.

Thanks much!
May 30, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

Thanks for your comments Nancy. There is a reason behind what I am doing that I don't want to get into right now, but suffice to say I had to write my own little paragraph because I couldn't find the rules (at least, not in one place) in the SSUSA rule book. It required only one sentence for me to cover stealing or advancing in situations where the ball is not hit. For taking leads, I was able to copy a sentence out of the rule book. Here is what I wrote:

TAKING LEADS AND STEALING BASES NOT ALLOWED
When a base runner fails to keep contact with his base until the pitched ball has reached home plate (the area above the strike mat) or hits the bat of the batter, the base runner will be called out. In addition, no base stealing is allowed, nor may runners advance on wild pitches, passed balls, or while the ball is being returned to the pitcher in between pitches.

May 29, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

Thanks k man, but my reading of Rule 7.4 A/B is that the dead ball applies only when a pitch is swung at and missed.

Just so everybody knows why I asked this question in the first place: I'm putting together a summary of the rule differences in the US/Canada version of senior slow pitch, compared to how senior slow pitch is played in Latin America and the Caribbean. In at least some countries in that region of the world, I think that senior slow pitch softball follows the rules of baseball as much as possible; and therefore, I think that stealing or advancing on passed balls or wild pitches are all allowed. And perhaps also if the ball gets away from the defense as they are attempting to return a pitch to their pitcher. I still need to confirm these Latin American rules, but I was surprised when I could find very little in the SSUSA Rule Book specifically addressing stealing or advancing when a ball gets away from the catcher or other defender, in between pitches.
May 29, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

Thanks again, Tim, Nancy and B.J. Going back to your first post, Tim, perhaps "Thrown ball" could be added to Section 1, Definitions. Or the next-to-last sentence of your second post could be added somewhere in the rule book. Or maybe I just have too much time on my hands lol!
May 29, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

Thanks Tim, for finding the relevant text in the rule book. Evidently, in B) and C), "thrown ball" does not include the catcher's throw back to the pitcher after a pitch, or a ball thrown around between infielders, after a batter has struck out for example. ;-)
May 29, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

That's what I thought/assumed, B.J. Thank-you. Still...wish I could find text to that effect in the rule book. This got me to thinking of when exactly a ball becomes live (in play). I guess not until/unless the batter hits it? And I understand when a base runner can leave his base, but when is he required to return to his base and be touching it? When the pitcher receives the ball back from the catcher? I assume runners cannot advance if the throw from catcher back to pitcher goes over the pitcher's head and into center field. Or if the infield chooses to throw the ball around, say after a strikeout, and there are runners on base and the third baseman misses the thrown ball and it goes into the dugout, runners cannot/do not advance? Hey, I said it was a dumb question! ;-)
May 28, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

I can't find anywhere in the official rule book where it says that base stealing is not allowed. The only rule I could find says that a base runner must maintain contact with his base until a pitched ball reaches the plate (meaning the area immediately above the strike mat I assume, even if it hasn't hit the mat/ground yet). I looked at the list of dead ball situations in section 9.1 ("DEAD BALL") as well as the list in section 9.2 ("THE BALL IS IN PLAY") expecting to find something there. No mention other than a ball hitting the ground "out of play", which means beyond foul territory (foul territory is in play). I wasn't able to search the whole book/document for the words "stealing", "passed ball" or similar, so maybe I've missed it. So...it couldn't be true that if a pitched ball gets away from the catcher after it strikes the mat or ground (which happens all the time, often rolling all the way to the backstop), the runners can advance and "steal" a base?? Even though I suppose that would be considered more of a passed ball situation, the effect would be the same.
May 28, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rulebook available in Spanish?

Thanks again Sr. Dowell. I actually did find it under TOURNAMENTS earlier today. Just didn't expect to find it there.
May 27, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rulebook available in Spanish?

Thanks so much titanhd. Now...if only I could find the link to the rule book on this SSUSA website. Can you tell me where it is? Thanks again!
May 23, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rulebook available in Spanish?

Entiendo Dave. Gracias.
May 23, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rulebook available in Spanish?

Does anyone know whether there exists a version of the senior slow pitch rules translated into Spanish? I would actually prefer a rules summary that highlights the rules unique to our version of the game (e.g. commit line, scoring line, min & max height of the pitch, dimensions of the mat, distance between bases, distance from home plate to pitching rubber, limited vs. unlimited innings, courtesy runners, etc.). If there is no such rules summary available in Spanish, then the full rule book in Spanish would be my second choice. Thanks in advance all!
April 19, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy Runners When the Team Bats Around

Thank YOU, Dave, for answering my rules question!
April 15, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy Runners When the Team Bats Around

Thank-you, Dave. I had never heard this exception-to-the-rule, and so I was a little skeptical, and that's why I posted the question here yesterday. So this "rumor" is FALSE! Thanks again.

April 14, 2019
jgoff5113
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy Runners When the Team Bats Around

Question for you experts out there: We all know that a player can serve as a courtesy runner for a teammate only once per inning. However, someone recently told me that the same courtesy runner can run multiple times in the same inning, provided that he runs for the same teammate each time. Of course this could happen in an unlimited-run inning if the team bats around and the same player bats two or more times in the same inning, and gets himself on base more than once (via walk, hit, error, or fielder's choice). Is this a valid exception to the general rule that a given player can courtesy run only once per inning? If true, this is important to know, as it can effectively prevent a team from running out of courtesy runners in an unlimited-run inning.
Sept. 6, 2018
jgoff5113
Topic: Teams looking for players
Discussion: NEB 50's Mens AAA team out of Nebraska looking for a couple players for VEGAS Oct 4-7

Hello Mike 'SARGE'. I called your number earlier today and got your voicemail so I left you a message. Call me at 563-650-1003. Thanks!
Sept. 6, 2018
jgoff5113
Topic: Teams looking for players
Discussion: Team looking for players for Las Vegas Worlds

Thanks mck71 and Nancy Allen. I did see the RULES link under Tournaments, but when I try to hover my mouse pointer over RULES, it disappears. So I used the link that Nancy sent and that worked.
Sept. 6, 2018
jgoff5113
Topic: Teams looking for players
Discussion: Team looking for players for Las Vegas Worlds

SSUSA Staff: I can't find the RULES page on this website that you reference. Can you tell me how to navigate to this page? Thanks!

Aug. 14, 2018
jgoff5113
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Iowa-based 60s outfielder available for Vegas

My 60s team has just decided we don't have enough healthy players to finish out the 2018 season. If you are a 60s team based in Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Missouri or South Dakota and you could use another outfielder for Vegas, let me know. And you can use me as a courtesy runner every inning in the Las Vegas heat and I won't complain!
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