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, March 31, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

stick...that is not at SSUSA RULE..nor is it an automatic out call on the lead runner it's a judgement call by the umpire whether or not there would have been a play on the runner... on your scenario... I have umpired many fields where the bats hang on racks outside on the dugout fence in foul territory...as far as the lead runner being out...if the throw was that far off line then there probably would not have been a play on the runner... below is the FULL rule read the EXCEPTION

8.4(10) • WHEN RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ADVANCE
Runners are entitled to advance without liability to be put out:
D. When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked. EFFECT: All runners will be awarded two bases, and the award will be governed by the positions of the runners when the ball left the fielder's hands. If two runners are between the same bases, the award is based on the lead runner.

EXCEPTION:
1. If the ball becomes blocked because of offensive equipment not involved in the game, the ball is ruled dead and runners are returned to the last base touched at the time of the blocked ball. If the blocked ball prevented the defense from making an out, the runner being played on is called out.
, March 31, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

Stick 8's scenario could be handled a few ways....the way Stick worded it that the bats were LINED UP outside the dugout...if they were in the designated spot for bats not being used then you could have a live ball play on... if they were just lying in the foul area on the ground in front of the dugout then I would go with IB16's answer

with Sisavics scenario I'd have to see the play and the travel of the over thrown ball ...but the field conditions/dug outs should have been discussed pre-game with the managers....if they don't fit all the players then they should have been told stand outside them but in the out of play area
I always tell both managers before the game I'm not baby sitting you...keep your gates closed and only the on deck batter and 1 more outside the dugout if there are more (and usually are) and a ball goes "NEAR THEM" I'm killing it and punishing you by sending runners back...
, March 18, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What is the only situation where, after the play is over that a "do over" or "mulligan" can be implemented? (at least that I'm aware of)

i think Dave has it....but on the outfielder in SSUSA with a 1st basemans mitt that makes a fly ball catch I thought that after the catch and appealed by the offense that the catch was ruled illegal the batter was awarded 1st base and it went as an error in scoring??
, March 18, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched

Stick... yes SSUSA rules...sorry but the runner from 1st would not get home he'd get 3rd...because the B/R had not obtained 1st base before the throw....ALL runners must obtain the next base before the throw in order to award bases FROM THE TIME OF THE THROW... other wise its 2 bases from where the runners are at the time of the pitch .......


1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at THE TIME THAT THE PITCH WAS MADE; .... HOWEVER, IF ALL RUNNERS INCLUDING THE BATTER/RUNNER have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.


, March 18, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched

when you award bases all runners get the same award...since BOTH runners did not obtain the bag before the throw the award is 2 bases from the pitch which would be home plate for the B/R...so he goes to 2nd and runner on 1st goes to 3rd
, March 18, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched

Randall...3rd base... since the batter/runner had not yet reached 1st before the throw the award is 2 bases... and you use the position of each runner at the time of the pitch ... read 1. below

1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.
, March 17, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: obstruction

yes he can... this is a judgement call on whether or not the on deck batter made an attempt to move out of the way and that a defensive player would have been able to make a play ... also the call is interference... obstruction is called on the defense
, March 17, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched

Randall...sorry I pasted more of the rule but it didn't take.. also in your scenario you failed to mention if the B/R had passed 1st before the release of the ball...if he didn't then runner from 1st would be awarded 3rd and B/R would get 2nd


When a fair ball bounces over or rolls under or through a fence or any designated boundary of the playing field. Also when it deflects off a runner or umpire and goes out of play.
EFFECT: The ball is dead, and all runners
are awarded two bases.

1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.
, March 17, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched

here is the rule

8.4(10) • WHEN RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ADVANCED.

When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked. EFFECT: All runners will be awarded two bases, and the award will be governed by the positions of the runners when the ball left the fielder's hands. If two runners are between the same bases, the award is based on the lead runner


EXCEPTION:
1. If the ball becomes blocked because of offensive equipment not involved in the game, the ball is ruled dead and runners are returned to the last base touched at the time of the blocked ball. If the blocked ball prevented the defense from making an out, the runner being played on is called out.
, March 17, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Time out

time should be called on every live ball situation when the ball is in the infield and all runners have stopped advancing...and the home plate umpire should be calling it
, March 16, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: INTERFERENCE PENALTY

stick...good point...another reason to use the asa rule where no judgement is called for...punish the offense for the interference
, March 14, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: INTERFERENCE PENALTY

thx again... and basically your answer is what a team brought up after a call....they wanted a run to score...my reply was the fielder wasn't given the opportunity to throw home or to 1st because he was bumped into... runner closest to home is out... has SSUSA ever thought of using (asa) rule where it is cut and dry and NO NEED for judgement on awarded out... if you are called out and then interfere the player closest to home is out
, March 14, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: INTERFERENCE PENALTY

thx for the quick response...now another question...is the out call on the runner closest to home the correct call? and if not who would you call out on the original scenario
, March 14, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: INTERFERENCE PENALTY

SSUSA... scenario... bases loaded no outs... a ground ball hit to the SS who throws to 2nd for an out...the runner going into 2nd interferes with the fielder attempting to turn a double play... I know the rule says If
in the umpire’s judgment the runner's collision with the defensive player
involved in the play negates a double play, the umpire may award a second out. I have always called the runner closest to home out... is there anywhere in the rule book where it states WHICH RUNNER is the awarded out
, Feb. 22, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Staying behind the pitching screen

SSUSA tour. play does not use pitching screens....they are normally used in league play with local rules...in the leagues that I have seen use them pitching over the top of the screen is not allowed... and what would be the point of allowing the pitcher to pitch over the top and then let him step to the side and out from behind the screen...kind of defeats the purpose of the screen
, Feb. 17, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Stick....you didn't post the entire rule that you quoted...you left out the part THAT FIRST HITS THE BASE... yes in that scenario it would be a live ball... in the above case the ball did not hit the base first I still believe it to be a dead ball
....below is the complete rule.....
L. When, while in contact with the base, the base runner is hit with a fair batted that first hits a base unless the umpire rules that the ball was intentionally interfered
with, or a fielder with, while attempting to field a batted ball.

EFFECT Sec 12 L-M The ball remains live with all runners continuing to be in jeopardy.

I found the e-mail for a UIC posted on the USSSA web site and I sent the scenario to him asking for an answer....If and when I get an answer I will post it here
, Feb. 14, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Stick, then you need to contact your USSSA UIC and have him explain to you why it is a dead ball... you keep citing a rule about the runner being hit while he is OFF THE BAG... pages 42/43 that you posted have nothing about a batter being hit while on the bag.... this is the 4th time I have posted this rule below

PEASE READ "E"... E. When an UMPIRE or BASE RUNNER is struck by a fair batted ball, before it touches a fielder or PASSES ANY FIELDER other than the Pitcher.
the effect of this play is
EFFECT Sec 10. A-F.
1. THE BALL IS IMMEDIATELY DEAD ... THIS IS ON PAGE 48

This rule is used for ANY RUNNER or UMPIRE that is hit by a batted ball BEFORE the ball passes a fielder it doesn't matter if he's on the base or off, it's A DEAD BALL if the runner is off the base he is out, dead ball and the batter is awarded 1st base... if he is on the base DEAD BALL batter is awarded 1st base...also in both cases runners advance only if forced to
, Feb. 10, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Stick, you are correct if the batted ball passes a fielder then hits the runner on or off the base it is a live ball play on... but in this scenario as you wrote above the fielder was playing DEEP ON THE GRASS how could the ball pass by a fielder before it hit the runner??? Im sorry but this is a DEAD BALL in EVERY organization.... again I will post page numbers and rule for you to read from the 2017 USSSA rule book.... if you have something different then please post the page number you are reading from
READ PAGE 48 2017 rule book....E and then the EFFECT IS #1
Sec. 10. BASE RUNNERS MUST RETURN TO THEIR BASES:

E. When an umpire or BASE RUNNER is struck by a fair batted ball, before it touches a fielder or PASSES ANY FIELDER other than the Pitcher.

EFFECT Sec 10. A-F.
1. THE BALL IS IMMEDIATELY DEAD 2. Base runners may be forced to advance if the batter is credited with a hit
as per “E” above, thus awarded first base, thereby forcing other runners to advance.
3. Base runners need not touch intervening bases when required to return.
ALSO ON PAGE 51/52 Sec. 3. THE BALL IS DEAD AND NOT IN PLAY:
P. When a base runner is off a base and is hit with a fair-batted ball before the ball is touched by or passes through the infielders.
Also page 50/51... THIS IS THE LIVE BALL RULE.. I think you are talking about... Sec. 2. THE BALL IS LIVE AND IN PLAY:...K. When a fair-batted ball strikes an umpire or base runner after touching a fielder or after passing any fielder including the pitcher/infielder.
, Feb. 8, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Throwing a Bat

Brad25...actually there is a catch-all in the code of ethics front of the rulebook... Article 7: Not commit any act that could be considered unsportsmanlike conduct. I would definitely consider someone who has repeatedly been warned about releasing the bat toward the umpire and catcher to be unsportmanlike and a definite safety issue
, Feb. 7, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Throwing a Bat

I umpired a mens senior league and had the same problem...this is a safety issue for the HP umpire and the catcher...I explained that I would have to eject him if he released the bat backwards toward me and the catcher... The player was a nice guy but just could not hold onto the bat... I did eject him that game ...the way he solved his problem was that he actually tied a cord around his wrist and the handle of the bat and after hitting the ball he would run down the 1st base line shaking the cord off his wrist and a couple times ended up with a bruise on his shins from tripping on the bat as he flailed it off his wrist...I let him play figuring he was the only one that could get hurt this way
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