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Aug. 30, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

how about something like this??

a substitute on the roster and listed on the official lineup who has entered the game as a CR may not enter the game as a substitute to replace a runner in the same inning
Aug. 30, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

DD.. that won't fix the problem he wasn't replacing a CR.. this was a player on the line up sheet as a sub who legally CR then entered the game as a sub for a starter that got a base hit
Aug. 30, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

Duke, yes that is correct.. but he went in a a sub. not a CR ... show me where that is not allowed in the rules

hopefully DD will chime in where it's not allowed in the rules
Aug. 30, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

grayhitter.. I agree with your thinking but no where in the rules does it state that it can't be done.. it says a CR cannot run twice in the same inning and technically he is not a CR he's a sub. and no where does it state that a sub. coming in would be classified as a runner... I also think he should be illegal BUT I need to see it in the rule book
Aug. 30, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

Murray, hmmm good question...
I know of no rule that states that player A can't go in as a sub to run for player C after already being used as a CR earlier in the same inning


Aug. 29, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Question

guppy.. I agree with the control of the ball thru the play .. BUTTT .. the catch and control of a fly ball rule is different because falling to the ground, running into a fence, umpire or another defensive player and then dropping the ball is a NO catch..
Aug. 29, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Question

I agree with above.. if the fielder had control of the ball while touching the bag I have the runner out.. dropping the ball and nullifying an out after falling to the ground only applies to fly ball/line drive catches
Aug. 20, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

stick, yes you are correct that it's a dead ball on the INT. call .. but the OP states that the runner made contact with the SS's arm on the follow through on releasing the ball and that the ball fell short of the catcher "before" the runner passed the scoring line... so again there is a possibility of a 2nd out being called on the runner from 3rd if the umpire judges that without the contact there could have been an out at home



Aug. 19, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

stick.. don't forget that the SS did throw to HP ... there is a possibility if in the judgment of the umpire the runner would have been out had there been no INT. you now would have runners on 1st and 2nd and 2 outs
Aug. 19, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

jgoff.. the rule below covers your scenario and all calls are umpire judgment

8.6 • WHEN SLIDING IS OPTIONAL - AVOIDING COLLISIONS
Sliding or diving into first base or the scoring line or scoring plate is permitted only to avoid a collision with a defensive player. This is an umpire’s judgment
call and is not subject to protest or appeal. A player may slide or dive into second or third bases, or when returning to any base. A runner must make every effort to avoid colliding with opposing players while running the bases or sliding or diving. If in the umpire's judgment a runner misses a base to avoid a collision, the runner will not be called out. If in the umpire’s judgment the runner fails to avoid a collision with a defensive player involved in the play, the ball will be declared dead and that runner called out. All base runners except the batter will be returned to their previous base unless forced to advance. If in the umpire’s judgment the runner's collision with the defensive player involved in the play negates a double play, the umpire may award a second out.



Aug. 14, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Age limits

Lol… I’m a little disappointed in DD for letting that 1 go
Aug. 12, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

T2.. you certainly don't give up.. a couple months ago with a similar scenario you disagreed with the answers that you were given on the ITB rule and you stated you were going to follow up with some of the SSUSA hierarchy... the SSUSA National Directors and nine SSUSA State & Regional UIC's.

I'm just wondering because I never heard back from you did you ever find anyone to agree with your hypothetical version of the ITB rule??



Aug. 12, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

titan... below is the effect of the ITB rule...

EFFECT: If the last batter of the previous inning cannot continue to play because of injury, illness, etc., he will be declared out and the next previous batter will be the tie-breaker runner.
Aug. 10, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

stick.. if it were SSUSA rules I would also go
with door #2
Aug. 9, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the Call?

DD.. lol… well per the wording of the rule The base runner is fulfilling his duties in continuing toward home plate (he did not stop)… if The defensive player then made contact with the runner in any way but did not touch him with a tag I would let the play continue and give an OBS. signal and award the runner home if needed
Aug. 9, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the Call?

DD.. I have no problem with your call in the tweaking of the facts... I do know we have discussed this in the past on different scenarios where a runner stops after crossing the CL and I brought up the specific wording of CL 1.15 [b] must continue home; (and suggested removing it) ... where in your tweak the runner didn't continue home he stopped??

in many plays over the years I have seen runners stop and even retreat a few steps when the catcher has caught the ball a few feet off the strike mat and try to lure them into tagging them ... this to me is a violation of
CL 1.15 (b) must continue home ... yet there is no specified penalty on the runner??
Aug. 8, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Illegal base runner.....

cat.. I don't know if SPA rules are different than SSUSA rules and this is a SSUSA site... but in SSUSA A courtesy runner must report to, and be acknowledged by the umpire before play resumes ... reporting to the umpire should be with a name or number not just yelling out.. blue CR.. if I did not hear a name or number I would not be able to acknowledge the runner and would call the Mgr. over and explain to him he proper way of putting in a CR or sub ... if I was doing this game I would not consider the base coach as the CR for congratulating the batter


8.5(5) • COURTESY RUNNER OFFICIALLY IN THE GAME
A courtesy runner must report to, and be acknowledged by the umpire before play resumes. A courtesy runner may enter the game only prior to the first pitch to any batter. A courtesy runner is in the game when he touches
the base. If a courtesy runner is determined illegal, he will be called out upon touching the base and no other courtesy runner is allowed.
Aug. 8, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the Call?

DD.. I also think we agree.. and I will use a term I have read here a few times over the years by the
ADMIN.(lol) ... "the spirit of the rule" which I believe was written to avoid collisions at HP and IMO having a defensive player physically touch/tag a runner whether legally or illegally is not allowed once he passes the CL.. to take it a step further if the defensive player made a swipe tag and made no contact with the runner I would have a no call and let the play continue on
Aug. 7, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the Call?

DD ... well I guess we can go back and forth on whether or not the tag was legal without the ball being in the glove.. to me the defensive player physically tagged the runner and I read the rule as NO TAG of the runner is allowed past the CL .. so even an attempt of a tag with the defensive player touching the runner would make the runner safe.. and if you still don't agree I would tell the Tour.Dir. (lol) that once the illegal tag was applied I would have an Obstruction call and rule the runner safe



Aug. 7, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the Call?

T2.. I already posted the rule above.. the rule states that a runner who has passed the CL may no longer be tagged out. the EFFECT of the rule tells you AGAIN that the tag of a runner by a defensive player WILL NOT BE ALLOWED... so there is no such thing as a legal or illegal tag ... IT CANNOT BE ATTEMPTED AT ALL ..

this rule was put in place to avoid collisions at HP between the runner and a defensive player/catcher...

in the OP it says the runner was tagged by the defender therefore the runner is called safe immediately and can go straight to the dugout without going to the scoring plate/line


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