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Real name:
Dave (Mango) Meggison

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Men's 50

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, April 26, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas 50's Fields

Hey Dave,
Missed you this weekend in Vegas. We played at Lorenzi and the fields were fine. Don did a great job as TD. Umpires were pretty decent as usual. A couple that stood out, Sam and Bobby were very good.

As far as BLD goes- its not a lack of "strength of conviction" that keeps me from asking not to be scheduled at BLD, but the fear that as soon as I request not to play there, we will be scheduled there :-)). And its not because of the cost of entry but because of the ridiculously short fences for 50 Major Plus coupled with difficulty of ball retrieval.

Again, a well run tournament over at Lorenzi with nice fields and good umpires. You and Fran who were understandably absent, were missed. Congratulations on your new granddaughter. See you in Reno.

Mango
, April 16, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Half Run Rule

There’s actually a good question in here. I’m just wondering do players that take equalizers feel that they have ”won” a game when they take runs or an extra fielder? Just wondering. Maybe some of those guys that do it can comment.
, March 17, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

Dave
I agree with you that strategy is not absurd and is definitely a part of the game. Rule changes often dictate changes in strategy, as did the recently adopted DBO rule. I also agree with you that the DBO rule will not change anytime soon (vested interest of people on the committee). I was responding to the premise that SSUSA has done everything they can to protect the pitcher. The DBO does the opposite of that. It changes the strategy and encourages more hard balls to be hit down, with the pitcher being the most susceptible to injury.


Suggesting as a justification that Senior Major Plus Rules “very closely mirrors The Border Battle Rules” is a specious (extremely misleading) argument. They play their games in stadiums with 375 power alleys 400 feet to dead center and 335 down the lines compared to Senior fields with at best 300 foot fences. . That changes the game/conditions/strategy dramatically. You are comparing apples to oranges. The end result of the SSUSA rule , logically , results in more balls being hit down and hard at pitchers.

, March 16, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

Swing
SSUSA cant regulate hot bats as cheaters will always cheat. But they can regulate the rules that help dictate the strategy of the game and influence where people are going to hit the ball. And they can regulate the ball as well.

I was actually playing in that particular game you are talking about (as was Einstein. And as Wood says-hitting conditions were sick. And yes that ball did travel well over 500ft at Lorenzi Park hit by teammate of mine ... . But Homeruns were NOT an out but a DBW. Thank goodness. It would have been horrifying if that ball were hit at a pitcher standing 55 feet away.

, March 15, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

SSUSA says SSUSA says "A not-so-short short history lesson may be helpful here ... SSUSA (and other associations) have for many years tried to reach a sensible rule compromise to protect the pitchers in an era of ever-increasing performance changes to both bat and ball technology, while maintaining as much of the look and feel of the game as possible without unreasonable modification

I respectfully disagree. Two things that SSUSA can do to “lessen” the risk factors for serious injury to pitchers that they have refused to do are- 1) get rid of the Rock Ball/use a lesser ball 2) get rid of the DBO at the 50, 55 and perhaps 60 Major Plus divisions

As I enter my 13 year at the 50 Major Plus division I have seen many many many games at that level. The bat ball combinations used today are much hotter than ever before. This means batters are hitting the balls at higher rates of speed.

Add to this the reduced number of homers allowed and the DBO and logic dictates that more powerful hitters will hit the ball down more often. More hard balls hit down increases the chance of someone getting hit. Its simple math. The rule “ENCOURAGES” powerful hitters to hit the ball down increasing the likelihood of injuries, serious injuries and catastrophic injuries.

This is actually the opposite of “reaching a sensible rule compromise to protect the pitchers”



, March 12, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Bats

Tattooball,
Mannjo is not Me. I think thats who you want to call you.
Thanks
Mango
, Dec. 8, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Rules

Bob, "16 Wood"
TOURNAMENT COMPETITION POLICY • MIXED BRACKET EQUALIZERS– In tournament play where there are mixed brackets, defined as teams in different rating groups where one team is giving
an equalizer, the team giving the equalizer shall be the Home team in all such games.

Bob,
I agree that this cam be a disadvantage to the team giving the equalizer in seeding games. Obviously everyone wants to be visitor in seeding games. I’m hoping that the term “tournament competition” means bracket play and that the team giving the advantage has the choice to hit first or not in seeding games or at least still a coin flip. SSUSA clarification?

, Dec. 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RULING • WMC 50-Major Matter

Real Deal and Hammer,
I just went on the old scout and looked at Tim's screen shot. And the critical piece of the rule is the same as it is today. That is the last two sentences of the rule which Tim always conveniently left out of his posts. so here it is:
Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing. These players are approved or denied on an individual basis."

This means that management/SSUSA, on an individual basis could add a 50 major plus player to a 50 AA team if they thought that the overall strength of the team would not have an unfair advantage. Had Tim's team tried to add a 15th 50 year old M plus player to go with the 14 they already had(which is 12 over the rule book limit)technically they could have approved it- or denied it.

Its pretty simple concept and again Tim chose to leave this part of the rule out of all his posts.

There is a similar concept in the actual rule book that allowed Tim to bring his team into a 50 major tournament stacked with 14 50 major plus players. This in violation to a written rule there.Although Tim by his own admission he had no idea how his team was admitted in, his team was technically also "legal" based on the same concept.
, Dec. 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Experimental Drug to expand life to 120 years of age

I'm curious about about the 100-105 age group-what would the player roster add rules for section 'i" be- would they still have to add from an older age group? Just wondering. We probably should clarify now just in case.
:-)
, Dec. 1, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RULING • WMC 50-Major Matter

Unbelievable patience exerted by SSUSA especially Fran and Dave for a player that seemed to “not want to understand”. Unbelievable the amount of misinformation, rumor “I heard this half truths” ,innuendo’s, unfounded , uncalled for and untrue statements directed at SSUSA as well as at a championship team and individual players on that team. This by a member that either truly wasn’t capable (perhaps because of a learning disability) of following a cogent and accurate explanation of a ruling or just didn’t want to understand. As usual Fran was extremely dignified, more than fair, clear and concise. Kudos to SSUSA for letting the discussion go on as long as they did. And greater Kudos for finally pulling it.
, Nov. 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Tim's Appeal Denied

Swing
And I don’t know the answer to this. I believe your team was 50 major plus either this year or last and filed an appeal and went through a process to be re-rated back to major. Therefore all your players are probably rated 50 major. Did MTC ever file an appeal to get their team re-rated? Or just start playing 55 plus. Wouldn’t their players still be rated 50 major plus absent that appeal and/or the 2 year timeline of playing at another level. I’m assuming that all of MTC’s players started this season as 50 major plus rated players. Are you suggesting that by only playing in the 55 age group of the current season by seasons end you are magically re-rated down to 50 major as a player?

Donl,
It doesn’t matter if all of MTC’s players were rated 50 major plus and they violated the 3 plus player limit. Was MTC in violation of the 3 player plus rule- it appears that way. Did it provide them with an unfair advantage that the other teams didn't have. Yea probably. But, it doesn’t matter because SSUSA gets to decide who plays where. Its in their rule book (13.4.1) It’s a pretty easy concept and I think Benji addressed it adequately in another thread on the board.

And finally, although you didn’t say it directly it could be interpreted that you implied MTC players were a bunch of sandbaggers and whiners. If so that is an unfair and in my opinion totally inaccurate characterization of the MTC group. It has been my experience that both MTC teams are a good bunch of guys that enjoy playing softball. And as LEELEE has pointed out the only one with whining issue seems to be Tim. I believe the MTC guys just like a lot of guys wanted to play a little more ball and that's what motivated them to get in the 50 major tournament.

, Nov. 19, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Tim's Appeal Denied

Tim’s Appeal Denied. And it should be pointed out that this was Tim's appeal and not MTC's.

Thank you SSUSA and Fran for ending this. In denying the appeal Fran succinctly explained the reasons. A lady of unquestionable leadership and integrity. She has always displayed a sense fairness and perspective. The explanation of the ruling explained the “intent” of the existing player add rules. She pointed out that past practice reflected said intent. There was nothing nefarious in SSUSA’s original decision to allow Cornerstone into the tournament. There was no subterfuge or chicanery. They won the tournament with a legal and approved roster, Apologies are in order from Tim for all the unfounded and wild mischaracterizations of both the Cornerstone team as well as SSUSA and their staff, in particular Dave Dowell.

Thank you Fran for putting an overdo end to this. This merciful ending will allow, Tim to go tilt at other windmills.

And lastly, finally one more time - Congratulations to Cornerstone on your Championship.

, Nov. 10, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Best Wishes to Terry Hennessy

I as well as Somnerville Softball are sending positive thoughts, prayers and wishing Terry a speedy recovery.

, Oct. 17, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter World`s

Dbax, I agree. The Rock is way to hot to be used with senior bats, and certainly in Vegas. And Omar I agree with you that its only a matter of time. I don’t know about the other divisions but at 50 Major Plus its downright scary and it is only a matter of time. They need to change the ball or go back to the DBW. Or both!
, Oct. 7, 2015
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: 50 Major Plus World Champions

Dave thanks for the nice compliments! It’s always good playing competitive teams like AZ Elite. The last couple years has seen great growth in the 50 Major Plus division. It was a great tournament loaded with great teams. It was nice to see so many good teams from back east come out. What an exciting tournament.

You guys played great as well throughout the tournament. That was quite an offensive display you guys put on in the quarterfinals Saturday night against the boys from Kentucky to land you in the king seat game. Our championship game with you was quite spirited and a nail biter. The last out, your line drive snagged by Giant John Heller, would have cleared a normal sized man. Who knows, we could still be playing today. Congrats to you and your team as well.
Mango

PS. If you ever want me to show you how to fill out a lineup card with ALL your players on it I’d be happy to help.

, Sept. 18, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is a 55 team playing in a 50 world considered reclassed

Too funny!

, Sept. 1, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Using one ball for all games

The Rock should never be used in Vegas, Reno or anywhere else the ball flys. It changes the game dramatically. With today's bats the ball is too hot..
, Aug. 17, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What Determines a Team being Bumped Or Downgraded

As someone who has been in the 50 Major Plus division for 11 years now I've seen a lot of exceptional players and many very good players. Over the past two years of watching Benji play day in and day out I can say, as a 5 tool player, he is right up there with the best of them. And he could care less about all tourney awards. What he cares about personally is playing a high level of softball. He works at his game all the time. He is extremely dedicated to the game. And on our Sommerville team we have A LOT of TEAM first guys and Benji is one of them.

Tim I'm sorry Benji hurt you with his words. I know he hurt you right in your feelings. I know you wanted to strike back at him. But painting him as a selfish player is not him. You must have him confused with someone else.
, July 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA how can we get reclassed? MTC 50 2014 major Plus

Tim- the gist of my post above was twofold. One- that your oft-repeated cockamamie "turn over the top" theory has more holes than a colander. No one is buying it. NO ONE. Two -,alternate reasons why some teams are reluctant to play in the Plus division.

Your position seems to suggest or imply that the Warriors are "afraid" to play the top teams in their age group. I can tell you from personal experience that is not the case! We played them several times and every time they came ready to play. They are a very good team. They laced up their cletes , grabbed their gloves and bats and came out and played good hard softball. There was no quit in them.

Once you recognize and admit the error and folly of your colander theory you could devote your considerable time and energy to pushing for an exemption or easing of the basket of equalizers newly moved up teams must hand out when playing teams outside their classification. Think "transitioning period".

That is, if you're not averse for " pushing for anything in senior ball".
, July 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA how can we get reclassed? MTC 50 2014 major Plus

Regarding Tim’s one man quest to change Senior Softball.

Tim- I try to resist but I can’t help myself.

Tim’s words in quotes.

“The Warriors are just the latest example of what happens when you don’t make the Plus champions follow the same rules….” * The Warriors record when playing past plus champions this past year was 3-1. They went 1-1 against the Legends and 2-0 against Nazzareno. Their 2 loses to DLB at the Worlds were before DLB had won the championship. Sommerville only has 6 past champion players. That’s a .750 winning percentage against past champions. Not sure they would want to banish those teams.

“Turning over the top works well in every other division….” No-it doesn’t. Not if you are basing success on number of teams in a classification at the Worlds. 2014 Worlds 50 division- 15 teams at Plus; 31 teams at Major; 62 teams at AAA; 8 teams at AA. Explain how the numbers in AA supports your theory.

Tim you make a fundamental attribution error. You’ve cherry picked one thing that happens in one division and not another and believe that is the cause of participation differences between those divisions. If turning over the top is what grows a division, how come AA doesn’t have the same robust number of teams as the middle divisions? Could it be something other than your oft-repeated mantra? Could it be that turning over the top in the outlier groups actually shrinks participation?

There could be other differences that may come into play that make the Warriors not fond of Plus. Here are two more plausible suggestions than having a .750 winning percentage against past champions: 1) Like-giving yours, as well as other 50 major teams, a basket of equalizers instead of playing them straight up in SSUSA as well as your local play. Perhaps you could start a push to lessen the equalizers for recently moved up teams when playing out of their division. That might help grow the division. 2) The paucity of teams in the Plus division.

“I don’t want to push for anything in senior ball…” Really Tim? Really?

“I still cannot understand…” Yes Tim, I know. :-)

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