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Dave (Mango) Meggison

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Orange, CA

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Men's 50

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, Nov. 19, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

Stick, thank you. It was another great competitive tournament! And both the umpire and the tournament director(Otis) on appeal got the call right .When I looked it up after the fact the rule is written exactly as Dave says. I was one of the misinformed ones who mistakenly believed that the rule was the batter was out if he hit the white bag on a play at first. Probably because I’ve seen it called before in games and heard the umpire verbalize the rule that way. Again both the umpire and tournament director in our game got it right.

Now, onto my real point. The ruling made me think “why do we have the double bag in the first place”. I thought the double bag was put in as a safety issue to help avoid collisions at first base, much the same as the scoring line at home plate was too help avoid collisions at home. This year I have twice been involved in games where runners were called out for touching the back side corner of the batters box line as they cut across toward the first base dugout after scoring. Both times when there was no play there. The distance between home plate and the back corner of the batters box is far greater than the distance between two adjoining bags at first. Since this rule of dragging a foot across the back batters box was so strictly enforced I assumed the same would be applied to the double bag at first (had it been the rule). I believe a devastating collision at first is much more likely to occur when a batter runner encroaches onto the white bag than when a player walks (yes walks) across the back corner of a batters box.

In my 12 years of Senior Softball I have seen no collisions at home yet witnessed several at first base including one devastating one that left one of the players with permanent crippling injuries. If the purpose of the double bag is a safety one then perhaps the rule can be revisited and rewritten to move the batter runner a little bit farther away from the first baseman. If the purpose of the double bag is for something else I would be interested as to what it is.

, Nov. 18, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

So what happens if the batter runner steps right in the middle of both bags hitting them simultaneously beating the throw by half a second (first baseman uses proper bag). Is the batter runner out for hitting the white bag or safe because he used the orange bag as required by rule? This actually happened in our World Series game this past October.
, Nov. 12, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Some justice served.

I noticed on the website that they said Steve received 9-11 years in state prison for his fraudulent scheme. The news articles down here in Southern California are reporting 5 years for Steve while Kristi the co-conspirator will get up to up to 1 year in county jail. Her sentencing is in December. I was wondering where the 9-11 years number came from and if its accurate. Can anybody share?

the website for one of the news articles is:
http://mynewsla.com/orange-county/2016/10/26/gods-sports-not-almighty-guilty-plea-in-oc-3-million-fraud/

Or you can google "Steve Mckinlay fraud guilty" and it will give you more articles about his most recent fraudulent scheme, guilty plea, and sentencing along with articles on a prior scheme where he bilked investors out of money pretending to be a home builder.
, Nov. 7, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Some justice served.

Just a quick correction- its GSC bats not GSF. GSF is a different senior team with absolutely no affiliation with Steve MacKinlay or his scam.
, Sept. 10, 2016
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Kent Cook of The Merchants, Shubins, Cambells, Rebs lost his battle with cancer

Kandi,
So sorry to hear about the passing of your dad. We played together on Shubins back in the 80's and he was a great competitor. I have fond memories of him and am saddened to hear the news. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
Mango
, Aug. 31, 2016
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: World Masters Championships

Agree with Murray that BLD is too short for any major plus teams with regular balls. Mix in the Rock and it becomes ridiculous and dangerous.
, July 4, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: looking for a 50m to becoming a 50MP sponsor or part sponsor in So Cal

JDub
I was thinking the exact same thing! I haven't seen someone try to work a ratings issue like this since Tim left us. Its got me laughing out loud right now. I have to admit, at the risk of getting a flood of hate mail, that sometimes, in a strange sort of way, I kind of miss Tim. Happy 4th everyone!
Mango
, June 7, 2016
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: What do you expect?

The bags awarded to champions last weekend in Reno were actually pretty cool! The warm up jackets for the champions at the LVSSA championships this spring were pretty decent. And the free championship rings along and shoes and championship drifts and a bat for MVP was an excellent award package at last year's worlds in Vegas
, April 26, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas 50's Fields

Hey Dave,
Missed you this weekend in Vegas. We played at Lorenzi and the fields were fine. Don did a great job as TD. Umpires were pretty decent as usual. A couple that stood out, Sam and Bobby were very good.

As far as BLD goes- its not a lack of "strength of conviction" that keeps me from asking not to be scheduled at BLD, but the fear that as soon as I request not to play there, we will be scheduled there :-)). And its not because of the cost of entry but because of the ridiculously short fences for 50 Major Plus coupled with difficulty of ball retrieval.

Again, a well run tournament over at Lorenzi with nice fields and good umpires. You and Fran who were understandably absent, were missed. Congratulations on your new granddaughter. See you in Reno.

Mango
, April 16, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Half Run Rule

There’s actually a good question in here. I’m just wondering do players that take equalizers feel that they have ”won” a game when they take runs or an extra fielder? Just wondering. Maybe some of those guys that do it can comment.
, March 17, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

Dave
I agree with you that strategy is not absurd and is definitely a part of the game. Rule changes often dictate changes in strategy, as did the recently adopted DBO rule. I also agree with you that the DBO rule will not change anytime soon (vested interest of people on the committee). I was responding to the premise that SSUSA has done everything they can to protect the pitcher. The DBO does the opposite of that. It changes the strategy and encourages more hard balls to be hit down, with the pitcher being the most susceptible to injury.


Suggesting as a justification that Senior Major Plus Rules “very closely mirrors The Border Battle Rules” is a specious (extremely misleading) argument. They play their games in stadiums with 375 power alleys 400 feet to dead center and 335 down the lines compared to Senior fields with at best 300 foot fences. . That changes the game/conditions/strategy dramatically. You are comparing apples to oranges. The end result of the SSUSA rule , logically , results in more balls being hit down and hard at pitchers.

, March 16, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

Swing
SSUSA cant regulate hot bats as cheaters will always cheat. But they can regulate the rules that help dictate the strategy of the game and influence where people are going to hit the ball. And they can regulate the ball as well.

I was actually playing in that particular game you are talking about (as was Einstein. And as Wood says-hitting conditions were sick. And yes that ball did travel well over 500ft at Lorenzi Park hit by teammate of mine ... . But Homeruns were NOT an out but a DBW. Thank goodness. It would have been horrifying if that ball were hit at a pitcher standing 55 feet away.

, March 15, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

SSUSA says SSUSA says "A not-so-short short history lesson may be helpful here ... SSUSA (and other associations) have for many years tried to reach a sensible rule compromise to protect the pitchers in an era of ever-increasing performance changes to both bat and ball technology, while maintaining as much of the look and feel of the game as possible without unreasonable modification

I respectfully disagree. Two things that SSUSA can do to “lessen” the risk factors for serious injury to pitchers that they have refused to do are- 1) get rid of the Rock Ball/use a lesser ball 2) get rid of the DBO at the 50, 55 and perhaps 60 Major Plus divisions

As I enter my 13 year at the 50 Major Plus division I have seen many many many games at that level. The bat ball combinations used today are much hotter than ever before. This means batters are hitting the balls at higher rates of speed.

Add to this the reduced number of homers allowed and the DBO and logic dictates that more powerful hitters will hit the ball down more often. More hard balls hit down increases the chance of someone getting hit. Its simple math. The rule “ENCOURAGES” powerful hitters to hit the ball down increasing the likelihood of injuries, serious injuries and catastrophic injuries.

This is actually the opposite of “reaching a sensible rule compromise to protect the pitchers”



, March 12, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Bats

Tattooball,
Mannjo is not Me. I think thats who you want to call you.
Thanks
Mango
, Dec. 8, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Rules

Bob, "16 Wood"
TOURNAMENT COMPETITION POLICY • MIXED BRACKET EQUALIZERS– In tournament play where there are mixed brackets, defined as teams in different rating groups where one team is giving
an equalizer, the team giving the equalizer shall be the Home team in all such games.

Bob,
I agree that this cam be a disadvantage to the team giving the equalizer in seeding games. Obviously everyone wants to be visitor in seeding games. I’m hoping that the term “tournament competition” means bracket play and that the team giving the advantage has the choice to hit first or not in seeding games or at least still a coin flip. SSUSA clarification?

, Dec. 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RULING • WMC 50-Major Matter

Real Deal and Hammer,
I just went on the old scout and looked at Tim's screen shot. And the critical piece of the rule is the same as it is today. That is the last two sentences of the rule which Tim always conveniently left out of his posts. so here it is:
Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing. These players are approved or denied on an individual basis."

This means that management/SSUSA, on an individual basis could add a 50 major plus player to a 50 AA team if they thought that the overall strength of the team would not have an unfair advantage. Had Tim's team tried to add a 15th 50 year old M plus player to go with the 14 they already had(which is 12 over the rule book limit)technically they could have approved it- or denied it.

Its pretty simple concept and again Tim chose to leave this part of the rule out of all his posts.

There is a similar concept in the actual rule book that allowed Tim to bring his team into a 50 major tournament stacked with 14 50 major plus players. This in violation to a written rule there.Although Tim by his own admission he had no idea how his team was admitted in, his team was technically also "legal" based on the same concept.
, Dec. 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Experimental Drug to expand life to 120 years of age

I'm curious about about the 100-105 age group-what would the player roster add rules for section 'i" be- would they still have to add from an older age group? Just wondering. We probably should clarify now just in case.
:-)
, Dec. 1, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RULING • WMC 50-Major Matter

Unbelievable patience exerted by SSUSA especially Fran and Dave for a player that seemed to “not want to understand”. Unbelievable the amount of misinformation, rumor “I heard this half truths” ,innuendo’s, unfounded , uncalled for and untrue statements directed at SSUSA as well as at a championship team and individual players on that team. This by a member that either truly wasn’t capable (perhaps because of a learning disability) of following a cogent and accurate explanation of a ruling or just didn’t want to understand. As usual Fran was extremely dignified, more than fair, clear and concise. Kudos to SSUSA for letting the discussion go on as long as they did. And greater Kudos for finally pulling it.
, Nov. 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Tim's Appeal Denied

Swing
And I don’t know the answer to this. I believe your team was 50 major plus either this year or last and filed an appeal and went through a process to be re-rated back to major. Therefore all your players are probably rated 50 major. Did MTC ever file an appeal to get their team re-rated? Or just start playing 55 plus. Wouldn’t their players still be rated 50 major plus absent that appeal and/or the 2 year timeline of playing at another level. I’m assuming that all of MTC’s players started this season as 50 major plus rated players. Are you suggesting that by only playing in the 55 age group of the current season by seasons end you are magically re-rated down to 50 major as a player?

Donl,
It doesn’t matter if all of MTC’s players were rated 50 major plus and they violated the 3 plus player limit. Was MTC in violation of the 3 player plus rule- it appears that way. Did it provide them with an unfair advantage that the other teams didn't have. Yea probably. But, it doesn’t matter because SSUSA gets to decide who plays where. Its in their rule book (13.4.1) It’s a pretty easy concept and I think Benji addressed it adequately in another thread on the board.

And finally, although you didn’t say it directly it could be interpreted that you implied MTC players were a bunch of sandbaggers and whiners. If so that is an unfair and in my opinion totally inaccurate characterization of the MTC group. It has been my experience that both MTC teams are a good bunch of guys that enjoy playing softball. And as LEELEE has pointed out the only one with whining issue seems to be Tim. I believe the MTC guys just like a lot of guys wanted to play a little more ball and that's what motivated them to get in the 50 major tournament.

, Nov. 19, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Tim's Appeal Denied

Tim’s Appeal Denied. And it should be pointed out that this was Tim's appeal and not MTC's.

Thank you SSUSA and Fran for ending this. In denying the appeal Fran succinctly explained the reasons. A lady of unquestionable leadership and integrity. She has always displayed a sense fairness and perspective. The explanation of the ruling explained the “intent” of the existing player add rules. She pointed out that past practice reflected said intent. There was nothing nefarious in SSUSA’s original decision to allow Cornerstone into the tournament. There was no subterfuge or chicanery. They won the tournament with a legal and approved roster, Apologies are in order from Tim for all the unfounded and wild mischaracterizations of both the Cornerstone team as well as SSUSA and their staff, in particular Dave Dowell.

Thank you Fran for putting an overdo end to this. This merciful ending will allow, Tim to go tilt at other windmills.

And lastly, finally one more time - Congratulations to Cornerstone on your Championship.

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