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Real name:
Dave (Mango) Meggison

Location:
Orange, CA

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Men's 50

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Feb. 9, 2018
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Spot the Major + player

Hey Stick,
You make a good point! Our Mavericks and Sommerville 50 Major plus teams did go about 15 deep with Major plus players (type C). And that’s probably why we did experience some success. And contrary to the stereotype of Major plus players being prima donnas our guys were “team first” players or they didn’t last with us. Hope to see you out there some time this year.
Best,
Mango

Feb. 8, 2018
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Spot the Major + player

Webbie,
Nice post and I agree with what you said without saying it specifically. That is the Major Plus player is different depending on age group.

OZ What I have seen in the last 14 years in the 40/50 Major Plus division and last year in the 55’s -The 40’s, 50’s and even 55’s typical major plus player is neither player A nor B. Let’s call them player C. They are a player that hits 750-825 with called on power. And they can play defense. They are bigger, faster stronger and play better defense than the typical AAA players. There are usually at MINIMUM 6 to 8 players that fit this bill on a typical Major Plus team in the aforementioned age group. And on the better or elite teams you will be in the 8-10 player C’s .


There are no 650 hitters with power that cant play defense in 40-55 Major plus unless they’re a sponsor. Lets face it with these bats and balls everyone can hit homers in this age group. It’s a joke There may be a few 700 hitters but they better be able to really go get the ball, be an exceptional pitcher or a great short stop.

Webbie I don’t know about the older age groups but since everyone can hit with these balls and bats (75 year olds hitting homers) I’m going to guess, as you said, defense would be a premium and those types of players would be recruited more heavily in M+ at that age group. I watched a couple 60 tournament games last year and the biggest drop-off I noticed was on defense and running.

Mango

Aug. 10, 2017
Mango
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: MONEY

Omar,
I agree that the Rock is way too hot a ball especially for Vegas where the ball flys. I prefer the Stote. We played in Sacramento a couple weeks ago where it was 103 degrees at game time. There were homeruns. But only by home run hitters. The games were much more enjoyable than hitting super balls. Get rid of the Rock. In my opinion only fake home run hitters want the Rock.
Mango

Aug. 3, 2017
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Outcome of GSC

Ed,
I'm sorry that you and many others lost money to Steve Mckinlay and his CPA wife Kristi. I know he was sentenced to 5 years in prison and believe he is still in prison. I'm not sure what happened to Kristi Mckinlay. Last I heard she was trying to get home confinement. Do you know if she went to prison or jail?Or did she get home confinement? It seems she gave Steve an air of legitimacy with her CPA license and was perhaps as complicit as Steve.
Mango
July 13, 2017
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Results of the SCSSA Beach Bash 17

FOFO,
I understand your frustration and disappointment. You will be going from the top of the pack to perhaps the middle of the next pack. I get how that feels psychologically. Not sure that it lessens the pain and frustration you're feeling but D&K Tradition also got bumped to Major plus (according to the new ratings online). D&K played very well last weekend (in the cool beach weather) and played our Sommerville team to a tie. They are a very good team. I dont know your team so I cant really comment on whether or not you are a Major Plus team. However the math says that if you can compete with them you can compete with other Major Plus teams.

That said, again I understand your frustration. You will be going from the top of the pack to perhaps the middle of the next pack. I get how that feels psychologically. However, I think you will find that the teams at the Major Plus level are not only good players but a good bunch of guys much like the ones you got to know at the Major level. They are playing for many of the same reasons as you guys(camaraderie, competition, exercise, fellowship, love of the game,sense of belonging etc).If you do play in Sacramento in a couple weeks Please introduce yourself and say hi.
Mango
#4
Sommerville Softball
June 6, 2017
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Trump ball used in Reno - 40 Major plus

I agree 100%. Trump Stote is a very fair ball and should be used in all tournaments if possible. The Rock is way too hot a ball especially for Vegas. Additionally teams play all year with the Stote and then get the Rock in Vegas. It completely changes the game. I know there is a contract issue with the Rock in Vegas but it would be nice to play with the Stote all year.
May 30, 2017
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Scores from Reno

This was an extremely well run tournament! Officiating was good. The fields were fantastic and the competition in our division was excellent! Dave even did a good job with the weather.
April 11, 2017
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Tournament seeding

Interesting topic. On a semi related topic I was wondering SSUSA’s reasoning for assigning home team to the higher rated team (the one giving equalizers) in mixed classification games. It seems most people feel home team is a big advantage. Do they feel they are giving an advantage back to a team that is giving up so many equalizers? And if so why?
Mango
March 22, 2017
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Get rid of Major +

How About?,
Tim is that you? I've missed you :-)

Heard you were busy working on legislation to get the New England Patriots to have to give equalizers to the rest of the NFL next year, to require UCon's womens" basket ball team to play in the mens' division next year and to remove the 27 World Championships won by the New York Yankees from the record books.
Welcome back!
Mango

Nov. 19, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

Stick, thank you. It was another great competitive tournament! And both the umpire and the tournament director(Otis) on appeal got the call right .When I looked it up after the fact the rule is written exactly as Dave says. I was one of the misinformed ones who mistakenly believed that the rule was the batter was out if he hit the white bag on a play at first. Probably because I’ve seen it called before in games and heard the umpire verbalize the rule that way. Again both the umpire and tournament director in our game got it right.

Now, onto my real point. The ruling made me think “why do we have the double bag in the first place”. I thought the double bag was put in as a safety issue to help avoid collisions at first base, much the same as the scoring line at home plate was too help avoid collisions at home. This year I have twice been involved in games where runners were called out for touching the back side corner of the batters box line as they cut across toward the first base dugout after scoring. Both times when there was no play there. The distance between home plate and the back corner of the batters box is far greater than the distance between two adjoining bags at first. Since this rule of dragging a foot across the back batters box was so strictly enforced I assumed the same would be applied to the double bag at first (had it been the rule). I believe a devastating collision at first is much more likely to occur when a batter runner encroaches onto the white bag than when a player walks (yes walks) across the back corner of a batters box.

In my 12 years of Senior Softball I have seen no collisions at home yet witnessed several at first base including one devastating one that left one of the players with permanent crippling injuries. If the purpose of the double bag is a safety one then perhaps the rule can be revisited and rewritten to move the batter runner a little bit farther away from the first baseman. If the purpose of the double bag is for something else I would be interested as to what it is.

Nov. 18, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

So what happens if the batter runner steps right in the middle of both bags hitting them simultaneously beating the throw by half a second (first baseman uses proper bag). Is the batter runner out for hitting the white bag or safe because he used the orange bag as required by rule? This actually happened in our World Series game this past October.
Nov. 12, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Some justice served.

I noticed on the website that they said Steve received 9-11 years in state prison for his fraudulent scheme. The news articles down here in Southern California are reporting 5 years for Steve while Kristi the co-conspirator will get up to up to 1 year in county jail. Her sentencing is in December. I was wondering where the 9-11 years number came from and if its accurate. Can anybody share?

the website for one of the news articles is:
http://mynewsla.com/orange-county/2016/10/26/gods-sports-not-almighty-guilty-plea-in-oc-3-million-fraud/

Or you can google "Steve Mckinlay fraud guilty" and it will give you more articles about his most recent fraudulent scheme, guilty plea, and sentencing along with articles on a prior scheme where he bilked investors out of money pretending to be a home builder.
Nov. 7, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Some justice served.

Just a quick correction- its GSC bats not GSF. GSF is a different senior team with absolutely no affiliation with Steve MacKinlay or his scam.
Sept. 10, 2016
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Kent Cook of The Merchants, Shubins, Cambells, Rebs lost his battle with cancer

Kandi,
So sorry to hear about the passing of your dad. We played together on Shubins back in the 80's and he was a great competitor. I have fond memories of him and am saddened to hear the news. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
Mango
Aug. 31, 2016
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: World Masters Championships

Agree with Murray that BLD is too short for any major plus teams with regular balls. Mix in the Rock and it becomes ridiculous and dangerous.
July 4, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: looking for a 50m to becoming a 50MP sponsor or part sponsor in So Cal

JDub
I was thinking the exact same thing! I haven't seen someone try to work a ratings issue like this since Tim left us. Its got me laughing out loud right now. I have to admit, at the risk of getting a flood of hate mail, that sometimes, in a strange sort of way, I kind of miss Tim. Happy 4th everyone!
Mango
June 7, 2016
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: What do you expect?

The bags awarded to champions last weekend in Reno were actually pretty cool! The warm up jackets for the champions at the LVSSA championships this spring were pretty decent. And the free championship rings along and shoes and championship drifts and a bat for MVP was an excellent award package at last year's worlds in Vegas
April 26, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas 50's Fields

Hey Dave,
Missed you this weekend in Vegas. We played at Lorenzi and the fields were fine. Don did a great job as TD. Umpires were pretty decent as usual. A couple that stood out, Sam and Bobby were very good.

As far as BLD goes- its not a lack of "strength of conviction" that keeps me from asking not to be scheduled at BLD, but the fear that as soon as I request not to play there, we will be scheduled there :-)). And its not because of the cost of entry but because of the ridiculously short fences for 50 Major Plus coupled with difficulty of ball retrieval.

Again, a well run tournament over at Lorenzi with nice fields and good umpires. You and Fran who were understandably absent, were missed. Congratulations on your new granddaughter. See you in Reno.

Mango
April 16, 2016
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Half Run Rule

There’s actually a good question in here. I’m just wondering do players that take equalizers feel that they have ”won” a game when they take runs or an extra fielder? Just wondering. Maybe some of those guys that do it can comment.
March 17, 2016
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: face masks

Dave
I agree with you that strategy is not absurd and is definitely a part of the game. Rule changes often dictate changes in strategy, as did the recently adopted DBO rule. I also agree with you that the DBO rule will not change anytime soon (vested interest of people on the committee). I was responding to the premise that SSUSA has done everything they can to protect the pitcher. The DBO does the opposite of that. It changes the strategy and encourages more hard balls to be hit down, with the pitcher being the most susceptible to injury.


Suggesting as a justification that Senior Major Plus Rules “very closely mirrors The Border Battle Rules” is a specious (extremely misleading) argument. They play their games in stadiums with 375 power alleys 400 feet to dead center and 335 down the lines compared to Senior fields with at best 300 foot fences. . That changes the game/conditions/strategy dramatically. You are comparing apples to oranges. The end result of the SSUSA rule , logically , results in more balls being hit down and hard at pitchers.

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