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Real name:
Dave (Mango) Meggison

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Orange, CA

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Men's 50

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, Dec. 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Experimental Drug to expand life to 120 years of age

I'm curious about about the 100-105 age group-what would the player roster add rules for section 'i" be- would they still have to add from an older age group? Just wondering. We probably should clarify now just in case.
:-)
, Dec. 1, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RULING • WMC 50-Major Matter

Unbelievable patience exerted by SSUSA especially Fran and Dave for a player that seemed to “not want to understand”. Unbelievable the amount of misinformation, rumor “I heard this half truths” ,innuendo’s, unfounded , uncalled for and untrue statements directed at SSUSA as well as at a championship team and individual players on that team. This by a member that either truly wasn’t capable (perhaps because of a learning disability) of following a cogent and accurate explanation of a ruling or just didn’t want to understand. As usual Fran was extremely dignified, more than fair, clear and concise. Kudos to SSUSA for letting the discussion go on as long as they did. And greater Kudos for finally pulling it.
, Nov. 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Tim's Appeal Denied

Swing
And I don’t know the answer to this. I believe your team was 50 major plus either this year or last and filed an appeal and went through a process to be re-rated back to major. Therefore all your players are probably rated 50 major. Did MTC ever file an appeal to get their team re-rated? Or just start playing 55 plus. Wouldn’t their players still be rated 50 major plus absent that appeal and/or the 2 year timeline of playing at another level. I’m assuming that all of MTC’s players started this season as 50 major plus rated players. Are you suggesting that by only playing in the 55 age group of the current season by seasons end you are magically re-rated down to 50 major as a player?

Donl,
It doesn’t matter if all of MTC’s players were rated 50 major plus and they violated the 3 plus player limit. Was MTC in violation of the 3 player plus rule- it appears that way. Did it provide them with an unfair advantage that the other teams didn't have. Yea probably. But, it doesn’t matter because SSUSA gets to decide who plays where. Its in their rule book (13.4.1) It’s a pretty easy concept and I think Benji addressed it adequately in another thread on the board.

And finally, although you didn’t say it directly it could be interpreted that you implied MTC players were a bunch of sandbaggers and whiners. If so that is an unfair and in my opinion totally inaccurate characterization of the MTC group. It has been my experience that both MTC teams are a good bunch of guys that enjoy playing softball. And as LEELEE has pointed out the only one with whining issue seems to be Tim. I believe the MTC guys just like a lot of guys wanted to play a little more ball and that's what motivated them to get in the 50 major tournament.

, Nov. 19, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Tim's Appeal Denied

Tim’s Appeal Denied. And it should be pointed out that this was Tim's appeal and not MTC's.

Thank you SSUSA and Fran for ending this. In denying the appeal Fran succinctly explained the reasons. A lady of unquestionable leadership and integrity. She has always displayed a sense fairness and perspective. The explanation of the ruling explained the “intent” of the existing player add rules. She pointed out that past practice reflected said intent. There was nothing nefarious in SSUSA’s original decision to allow Cornerstone into the tournament. There was no subterfuge or chicanery. They won the tournament with a legal and approved roster, Apologies are in order from Tim for all the unfounded and wild mischaracterizations of both the Cornerstone team as well as SSUSA and their staff, in particular Dave Dowell.

Thank you Fran for putting an overdo end to this. This merciful ending will allow, Tim to go tilt at other windmills.

And lastly, finally one more time - Congratulations to Cornerstone on your Championship.

, Nov. 10, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Best Wishes to Terry Hennessy

I as well as Somnerville Softball are sending positive thoughts, prayers and wishing Terry a speedy recovery.

, Oct. 17, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter World`s

Dbax, I agree. The Rock is way to hot to be used with senior bats, and certainly in Vegas. And Omar I agree with you that its only a matter of time. I don’t know about the other divisions but at 50 Major Plus its downright scary and it is only a matter of time. They need to change the ball or go back to the DBW. Or both!
, Oct. 7, 2015
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: 50 Major Plus World Champions

Dave thanks for the nice compliments! It’s always good playing competitive teams like AZ Elite. The last couple years has seen great growth in the 50 Major Plus division. It was a great tournament loaded with great teams. It was nice to see so many good teams from back east come out. What an exciting tournament.

You guys played great as well throughout the tournament. That was quite an offensive display you guys put on in the quarterfinals Saturday night against the boys from Kentucky to land you in the king seat game. Our championship game with you was quite spirited and a nail biter. The last out, your line drive snagged by Giant John Heller, would have cleared a normal sized man. Who knows, we could still be playing today. Congrats to you and your team as well.
Mango

PS. If you ever want me to show you how to fill out a lineup card with ALL your players on it I’d be happy to help.

, Sept. 18, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Is a 55 team playing in a 50 world considered reclassed

Too funny!

, Sept. 1, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Using one ball for all games

The Rock should never be used in Vegas, Reno or anywhere else the ball flys. It changes the game dramatically. With today's bats the ball is too hot..
, Aug. 17, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What Determines a Team being Bumped Or Downgraded

As someone who has been in the 50 Major Plus division for 11 years now I've seen a lot of exceptional players and many very good players. Over the past two years of watching Benji play day in and day out I can say, as a 5 tool player, he is right up there with the best of them. And he could care less about all tourney awards. What he cares about personally is playing a high level of softball. He works at his game all the time. He is extremely dedicated to the game. And on our Sommerville team we have A LOT of TEAM first guys and Benji is one of them.

Tim I'm sorry Benji hurt you with his words. I know he hurt you right in your feelings. I know you wanted to strike back at him. But painting him as a selfish player is not him. You must have him confused with someone else.
, July 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA how can we get reclassed? MTC 50 2014 major Plus

Tim- the gist of my post above was twofold. One- that your oft-repeated cockamamie "turn over the top" theory has more holes than a colander. No one is buying it. NO ONE. Two -,alternate reasons why some teams are reluctant to play in the Plus division.

Your position seems to suggest or imply that the Warriors are "afraid" to play the top teams in their age group. I can tell you from personal experience that is not the case! We played them several times and every time they came ready to play. They are a very good team. They laced up their cletes , grabbed their gloves and bats and came out and played good hard softball. There was no quit in them.

Once you recognize and admit the error and folly of your colander theory you could devote your considerable time and energy to pushing for an exemption or easing of the basket of equalizers newly moved up teams must hand out when playing teams outside their classification. Think "transitioning period".

That is, if you're not averse for " pushing for anything in senior ball".
, July 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA how can we get reclassed? MTC 50 2014 major Plus

Regarding Tim’s one man quest to change Senior Softball.

Tim- I try to resist but I can’t help myself.

Tim’s words in quotes.

“The Warriors are just the latest example of what happens when you don’t make the Plus champions follow the same rules….” * The Warriors record when playing past plus champions this past year was 3-1. They went 1-1 against the Legends and 2-0 against Nazzareno. Their 2 loses to DLB at the Worlds were before DLB had won the championship. Sommerville only has 6 past champion players. That’s a .750 winning percentage against past champions. Not sure they would want to banish those teams.

“Turning over the top works well in every other division….” No-it doesn’t. Not if you are basing success on number of teams in a classification at the Worlds. 2014 Worlds 50 division- 15 teams at Plus; 31 teams at Major; 62 teams at AAA; 8 teams at AA. Explain how the numbers in AA supports your theory.

Tim you make a fundamental attribution error. You’ve cherry picked one thing that happens in one division and not another and believe that is the cause of participation differences between those divisions. If turning over the top is what grows a division, how come AA doesn’t have the same robust number of teams as the middle divisions? Could it be something other than your oft-repeated mantra? Could it be that turning over the top in the outlier groups actually shrinks participation?

There could be other differences that may come into play that make the Warriors not fond of Plus. Here are two more plausible suggestions than having a .750 winning percentage against past champions: 1) Like-giving yours, as well as other 50 major teams, a basket of equalizers instead of playing them straight up in SSUSA as well as your local play. Perhaps you could start a push to lessen the equalizers for recently moved up teams when playing out of their division. That might help grow the division. 2) The paucity of teams in the Plus division.

“I don’t want to push for anything in senior ball…” Really Tim? Really?

“I still cannot understand…” Yes Tim, I know. :-)

, July 9, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hall of Fame--Fran

Congratulations Fran! Well deserved. I appreciate all you and your husband do for Senior Softball!You have always been a pleasure to work with. Every encounter I have ever had with you over the past 10 years has been exceptionally pleasant and positive.Again-Well deserved!!
Mango
, June 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Major plus problem

Tim I’m a little confused. You didn’t cut anyone or add new players yet you are 30% different defensively? It must be fantastic living in your world.

And I think its great you offering to make a lateral move to 50 majors. Not sure what a lateral move does for your argument that teams that win at the plus level should be “bumped” up. Do you mean “bumped” sideways?

Congratulations again to your team on winning at the Plus level despite your repeated claims you couldn’t.

By the way- I’m still working on trying to find an example for you of a team that was bumped, didn’t change personnel and managed to be competitive at the plus level…. Give me time; I’m sure I’ll come up with someone….

, June 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Major plus problem

Webbie. Great post and spot on in your assessment of the one-man vocal minority aka Tim! Contrary to what Tim says SSUSA NEVER, I repeat NEVER has broken up a team. A lot of sandbagging teams choose to do that rather than play the next division up. And, is often the case, the real world and facts are strangers to Tim and his interpretations.

Despite Tim’s verbal protestations that teams must disband or cut players to compete at the next level the facts and reality are quite different. Now, if only I could give Tim an example of a team that was bumped up and didn’t disband or cut friends and managed to win. Hmmm….
Oh, and by the way-Tim –congratulations to you and your team for winning Reno, possibly the most prestigious SSUSA tournament of the year so far. Well done. Now if I could just come up with an example that Tim would be capable of seeing….
:-)
, June 15, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Smoky Mtn.

Our experience at the Smoky was great! A good strong competitive group in our division. The field we played on was big, 315 down the lines and 350 to center. Lots of homers, as you would expect in 50 Major Plus, but no cheap homers- you had to hit them to get them out of the park. Games ran on time and they had us out of there by noon on Sunday (very considerate for teams traveling). As in most Senior Ball umpiring was a mixed bag but mostly good. In five games we had two glaringly bad calls-one for us and one against us. That's fewer mistakes than we made that weekend.

It was nice to play some of the top teams in the East. Overall an excellent tournament!

Stick,
I’m sorry I missed you there; sounds like you were on the next diamond.
Mango

, June 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foot placement in batter's box before pitch

Mario- that was exactly my point.
, May 31, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One up Rule in the Open Inning!!!

JT,
You bring up an interesting topic for discussion. You state that it's always an advantage to be home team and that seems to be a widely held assumption in the slow pitch world. I'm not so sure. In baseball there is an advantage to being home because it's a low scoring game and you have the ability to " manufacture" a single run by stealing, bunting, hit and run etc. All of which you can't do in slow pitch softball. I believe both home and visitors each have advantages. Personay, I like being visitors for a number of reasons ( I believe there are stronger advantages most of the time) Setting the one up rule aside, what advantages are there for being home versus visitor in slow pitch?
, May 30, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foot placement in batter's box before pitch

Screame 5
I'm interested in your thoughts as a u trip ump for over 20 years about having the same box for a ball that can hit the front of the plate for a strike (in senior ball) whereas in Utriip that pitch would be a ball? Shouldn't the box be moved slightly forward to compensate?
, May 30, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foot placement in batter's box before pitch

I know there was a degree of controversy in Reno with "out of the box" last weekend. I felt sorry for the officials who were encouraged to enforce a rule usually not strictly enforced in other tournaments throughout the year. Like the "carrying the ball over" rule in basketball, the written rule differs from the normal enforcement. Same thing with baseball where the strike zone is the"bottom of the knees" to the top of the shoulders. Can you imagine a major league umpire enforcing that zone? The letter of the law/rule differs from the normal enforcement and is culturally accepted. On a freeway you don't expect to get a ticket for doing 70 in the fast lane even though the law says 65.

I know officials were encouraged to "strictly enforce" the batters box rule in Reno. I'm not sure it was beneficial or added anything to the game. I felt sorry for the umpires and frustrated players who normally extend the box.

Finally on extending the box forward-Since batters box dimensions and placement were designed with baseball and softball in mind where the ball needs to "cross " the plate in order to be a strike, and not "hit" the plate- wouldn't It make sense to adjust the placement of the box forward the front more to compensated? Which players and officials usually do when the lines are removable.
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