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| Jan. 21, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: TOC Florida WX 9 ball, Going to be lots of broken ones I would assume. I saw 5 broken bats aside from mine that broke last year in Dayton OH for a first week of April tourney and the temps were pretty similar and that was a rather small tourney with like 25 teams. I'm pretty sure 2 teams didn't show because of the rain/cold temps forecasted. |
| Jan. 20, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Rolled bats Masons, I don't think they are just trying to make examples of people. If they were they would have released the names of all the players who were banned/suspended already. They also wouldn't have allowed it to take 3 full months from the time they took a very well known Senior players bats for failing in compression in Vegas to come back with the results |
| Jan. 20, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Rolled bats Garyheifner, I am 100% not opposed to bats being tested. Every player that plays this game wants to go home safe and healthy from every tourney to family, friends and even some to work. While the testing process isn't even a year old yet and from the sounds of it is a work in progress but I also 100% think that if SSUSA is going to potentially force players to either surrender their bats for testing or be banned that they have to allow bats to be tested prior to use with no repercussions. This is where the issue it going to happen. SSUSA on this or another post made it quite clear that testing will only be available if they can do it where it's not going to cost them more money. I believe the term they used was "they have to find a way for another person not having to be at the field to test" which in Engish means we don't have to pay anyone else to check bats. But they expect players to know what their bats test at which requires players to either purchase a tester or find someone who does. Not trying to by cynical here but it's another case of SSUSA making rules that cost the players more money and them nothing. I applaud them for trying to get cheaters out of the game but the way they have it set up costs the non cheating players more money each year, if SSUSA wants to make rules about testing and they should have testers at every facility and test and sticker bats prior to someone getting hurt not after someone gets hurt. With the amount of money each team pays just to be a part of this association along with individual players fees is ridiculous compared to what every other association charges. $50 a team plus what $35 per person on the team. That is literally half a million dollars in registration fees alone then the tourney fees that are higher than every single other association out there per tournament and give out less than any of them as well. I'm all for getting cheaters out but strongly disagree with the way SSUSA is doing it. |
| Jan. 20, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Rolled bats Masaons Grandpa, You're spot on with this. I own my own tester and have tested bats that don't have a single crack but test under 130. People make comments and posts without any knowledge of what they're talking about. If you could show pics on here I would show you a few pics of a bat that doesn't have a single crack and isn't terribly worn that still smashed the ball but tests under 100. Not all things are always as they seem but you're exactly right composite bats generally break down internally first before you see a crack on the outside(seams are a different story) by time you see an actual crack on the outside it's already too late. |
| Jan. 17, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Rolled bats Not Dave, I agree with a lot of what you said. I think overall what SSUSA is trying to do by getting the cheaters out of the game is a great thing. We've all been to tourneys and seen guys swinging bats that make people question if their legit or not. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a very well broken in bat and a shaved bat because bats that are very close to breaking can test lower than shaved bats and produce better results. I am 100% for the testing of bats but even though it's new to them it's all over the place on protocols. From the very get go of the announcement of the testing that was going to be done it was very vague aside from the testing number being 140 and the penalties for swinging a bat that failed compression. I asked dozens of times on here if they are going to make us surrender OUR property or be banned for life that they need to give us detailed steps in the process and it was ignored over and over again until finally we got a slightly less vague description of what would happen. I don't believe they ever answered the question that if they take an OG Dudley or similar bat in price and cut it open only to find out it wasn't altered are they going to replace the bat for market value because offering anything NIW wrapper isn't comparable to an OG Dudley. In Vegas our bats were all "randomly" selected to be tested on Friday and every single bat passed because we made sure ahead of time that all of our bats were good. We were then told by that director that if we were to qet asked to test again at a different park that we should tell them that our bats were tested on Friday and to call the director because he documented names and bats each player had and what their testing numbers were at. He said it would allow them to test more teams bats and not waste time testing the same team over and over. I told her that and she said I could care less what he told you we are testing your bats. So here we are in between back to back games we had to test bats which meant taking every bag out of the dugout going up to the table and then testing every bat in each persons bag. We had guys trying to use the washroom between games and get something to eat and she wasn't allowing any of that and said we have a time schedule to keep we don't have time for you to be doing that. Which is utter BS. In the 5 minutes we would normally get between games to use the washroom and get food and sit down we spend standing in line getting bats tested in the sun. It's ridiculous. Several of the guys even wrote their test numbers on the bats and their machine was within a few pounds of it. So she knew our bats were legit. When SSUSA implemented these rules and punishments it became very unfair to guys who don't have the extra cash to buy a tester and don't know anyone with a tester who have well used bats. If they are going to implement rules like this that can alter an persons entire playing ability they need to have testers at every field and test every bats BEFORE the tourney starts. But that would actually mean some directors would have to do more. Quite honestly I think we played 11 or 12 tourneys last year and I can tell you truthfully we actually had to check in with either players card of ID exactly 3 times all year. The rest of the year me as the manager was only required to turn in a signed roster for that weekend. Make sure there is a tester at every facility and when each player checks in with ID of some sort test their bat(s) and give them official that is good for a month or so and make sure it's a sticker that if you peel if off it's ruined. That will ensure every player is swinging a good bat, then if someone walks up to the plate without a stickered bat then that bat is either surrendered for testing or the ban gets handed out... If this is truly about safety then nip it in the bud before someone gets hurt not after. With all of the damn money we pay to play in these tourneys and get less and less each year and continue to be the only association besides One Nation ($10) for a players card they can damn well afford to pay to have a tester at every facility and someone to do the testing. As far as bat warmers I fully agree, they don't have that big of an effect on compression of the bat and it's honestly more about the frozen ball than the bat but when you're no longer allowed to use less hot bats like ASA/USA and USSSA bats during cold weather and guys start breaking more and more of the most fragile bats on the market and the only ones wihtout warranties one of 2 things will happen. Guys will stop playing SSUSA in the colder months and look for alternatives to play which are more and more abundent each year or just wait until it's warm enough. Either will result in less money made my SSUSA. |
| Jan. 15, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: OK Boys, WHAT WOULD YOU DO Jan. 15 DaveDowell Men's 70 4477 posts And people actually seem surprised that we pay exactly ZERO attention to anything posted by the anonymous keyboard courage crew here ... This thread is the poster-child for that rather sound theory ... Oh, and BTW, it's RATTED out, not RATED ... Hilarious! LMAO, might be the funniest thing you've ever said.. Ironic that he made such a big deal out of capitalizing RATED each time and had no clue he was spelling it wrong... SMFH.. |
| Jan. 15, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Rolled bats Are directors allowed to just ask someone to surrender their bat for testing if they don't have a tester on hand to test the bats? So depending on your answer will lead to my next question which is in order to test someones bat that would mean the director or someone representing SSUSA on site will have a tester, will that tester be available for players to have their bats checked to ensure they pass before they are used? |
| Jan. 15, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Clarification for pop-up caught by catcher rule Curious as to why when pretty much every association has changed the rule to include foul tips for out would SSUSA change this rule? |
| Jan. 13, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Bat Hammers Johnny23, I honestly don't think anyone is really strong enough combined with the weight of the ball/handle could really break in a bat. |
| Jan. 12, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Compression Test Good luck with that. Testers are expensive and Aside from mine I didn't see a tester at a tourney the entire year except Vegas.. It should be mandatory that if SSUSA is implementing these rules that could potentially lead to your bat being taken that SSUSA should make sure every tourney has one on site and allow testing before hand. Or make sure a tester is on hand at every tourney and make bat testing mandatory prior to being allowed to play. Bats should be tested and stickered at every tourney if they are going to have these rules. They want to police bats(which I'm all for by the way) like the young guys do then do it. Test and sticker bats ahead of time, takes all the guess work out of who is and isn't swinging legal and nobody gets suspended. If the bat fails it must be put in their car. |
| Jan. 11, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Looking For An Answer to Why 44/375 I can guarantee you that whoever was swinging that bat when you got hit didn't hit that ball very hard. There is absolutely no chance he struck that ball well if you didn't even have a mark or bruise. I have seen guys with broken hands, jaws and ribs with ASA bats and .52 300 balls. I have never once heard that .52 300 balls stay constant across temperatures over .44 375 and the exit velocity is more than 3 mph. I don't know who you heard that SSUSA asked for an exemption to use the .44 375 balls because they make their own rules and they themselves are the ones who decide what balls will be used. There would be nobody to petition for an exemption from because they are their own bosses. They decide what to use and then tell the manufacturers what balls they will be using and add their logo to it. Just like NSA, One Nation, USSSA, ISA, ISSA etc. they make their own rules. I can guarantee you that with all the existing competing associations and up and coming ones that if SSUSA were to make the switch to .52 300 they would lose a huge portion of their teams to the other associations. Why do you think there was a drop off in the amount of teams playing ASA when they went to the .52 ball? Because players who are there to compete want to play with the best equipment not mush balls. |
| Jan. 11, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Compression Test 140 and above is passing. |
| Jan. 10, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Teams looking for players Discussion: TOC Plant city The imitation as you call it has 55M schedule at Ed Radice Softball Complex in Tampa that weekend which is nowhere near Plant City unless you count 45 miles away close. |
| Jan. 10, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: Teams looking for players Discussion: TOC Plant city You're not playing at Plant City though. |
| Jan. 8, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Illegal Equipment Suspension I have a whole hand full of rings. I drink about 2 times a year and those are when I'm in Vegas where I don't have a car to drive. So to answer you question 30+ years since I had a few beers and drove. I don't need alcohol to have fun. |
| Jan. 7, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Illegal Equipment Suspension Nickname36, The irony in your post is laughable. You say that people shouldn't put softball over friends and family and defend cheaters. You're exact quote: People are entitled to few mistakes in there life time just as long as they don't hurt other people Swinging a shaved or altered bat isn't a "Mistake" as you call it, it's damn choice and I have no room in my life for people that are first off cheaters and second are willing to put other peoples safety and possibly lives on the line by cheating. It's downright pathetic. Your other quote: You guys who put SOFTBALL at the top over FAMILY AND FRIEND AND WORK need your head examined, softball needs to be near the bottom or at the bottom of the priority list. You say you don't condone people who put softball above "Friends and Family" and by your statement is exactly what the cheaters are doing. They are putting their personal achievements over other players safety who are there playing with Friends and family and most still have to work. Maybe it's people like you who are defending these cheaters who needs your head examined. Life's too short as it is and using altered bats to hit the ball harder and further is a pretty pathetic way to live your life. You said softball should be pretty low on your list of important things in life and do you really want someone in your life who's willing to cheat at something so insignifant in the grand scheme of life, make me wonder what lengths they would go do to succeed at the important stuff in life. You do you and I'll stick to surrounding myself with people who have more respect for others safety and health |
| Jan. 1, 2025 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Illegal Bats FTP, Why would you not want to know who they are? There is more than just SSUSA to play in, I for one certainly wouldn't want to play on a team with a known cheater. |
| Dec. 30, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Illegal Bats yankeesfan12, I have heard people claim for years that they can tell if a bat has been rolled but have talked to bat manufacturers who claim that is something that is told to customers to avoid replacing bats. I have no solid proof either way, just going off the quote from SSUSA claiming 3 people were suspected of rolling bats. |
| Dec. 30, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Illegal Bats So this was posted in the Winter Edition of the 2024 Newletter: There were two 10-year suspensions from bats found to be shaved through the random bat tests at the World Championships. There are three more cases -- pending appeals – involving bats that have apparently been rolled from the Worlds. The wording seems to state that the 3 potentially "rolled" bats have been confirmed and are awaiting the chance to appeal of they haven't already but appears the "Shaved" bats suspensions have already been issued but no mention of an appeal on those. Will the 2 shaved and 3 rolled names be released so everyone will know who they are and make sure not to be associated with them? I would think this should be public knowledge for everyone to know. |
| Dec. 23, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Senior Bats 1styrsenior, Are you looking to play Senior league or Senior tourneys? If it's league, make sure you're allowed to use Senior bats. All the Senior leagues around us use the Senior rules and balls but don't allow Senior bats. MarkDpeters, You talking about the OG Ultra II? |
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