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Oct. 26, 2009
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Phoenix 55 Major Results

Roberts won the National Championship game 15-8 on Friday
Aug. 24, 2009
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: senior leagues in phoenix

The only senior league I'm aware of will begin in Surprise, AZ (west side, about 40 miles from Mesa) in October. There might be others, but I'm not aware of them...perhaps in Mesa, but they might be the day leagues you referred to.

As for tournament teams, there are several good ones...AZ FanGrabbers (50/M+), AZ Rogue (55/M+), Tucson Bandits (50/M); Chicano Cubs (55/M) and some others forming for next year.

Breeze 53 has left my phone # on an earlier reply to your initial post...perhaps you can share a contact email or phone # and I can call you to discuss other options.

Welcome to'll enjoy playing here year round...most fields are top notch and the action is competitive. We need a few more teams, but we're working on that, too.
May 23, 2009
Topic: Bats

Several independent researchers have studied the use of composite bats such as Miken's Ultra 2 and have concluded they produce Batted Ball Speeds (BBS) that are unsafe.

Daniel Russell in ongoing research; Mark McDoewll and Michael Ciocco in a 2005 study reprinted in The Sporting Journal and the British Journal of Sports Medicine; and R.K. Adair in a 1997 paper entitled "The Physics of Baseball" were all able to prove empirically the ball speed attained by hi-performance bats (in Adair's case, he accurately predicted composite bat speeds because they were not available in 1997) WERE UNSAFE FOR PITCHERS. (emphasis added)

Moreover, many studies conducted for ASA, USSSA, and other national softball organizations have concluded the same thing. In some studies, BBS exceeds 104mph and travels at a height of 5'10" making it almost impossible for pitcher to get a glove up in time to protect his chest or face. Factor in slower senior reaction times and you have a recipe for disaster.

There is little or no debate in the arena of softball safety. The universal assessment---empirically proven with conclusive and incontrovertible data---is simply COMPOSITE BATS ARE UNSAFE. This is why they are not allowed in virtually all major softball associations and city-sponsored tournaments.

In that light, then, if you were running an organization that allowed composite bats, how would you deal with the reality that any injury occurring as a result of the use of composite bats would almost surely expose you to a lawsuit?

In the ongoing debate over the use of "dumbed down" balls...let's keep our eye on the real issue. It's the bats, not the balls.

Are we willing to allow a screen to be put on the field? Are we willing to live with home run limits? Are we willing to have an unenforceable and wildly subjective PPR---and who knows what further changes are being contemplated in the name of "safety"? Are we willing to suffer the use of a 52/275 pillowball? All because we insist on using bats that are proven unsafe?

What say you?

April 4, 2009
Topic: Rules of the game

To Wick, Wood, FOFO, and others discussing the PPR...

Although many have registered opinions about the PPR, Don Newhard of OLR Nighthawks and I have been among the most outspoken critics of the PPR. (See "WHY THE PPR MUST GO" and "REPEAL THE PPR-TAKE ACTION HERE" and other threads elsewhere on this board.)

The petition drive had some initial traction, but momentum has slowed recently due to the perceived acceptance by players/managers that the PPR is here to stay---at least until the end of the year. At that time, sufficient data will evidently exist to provide SSUSA/SSWC officials what they need to decide if the rule a) remains intact; b) is dumped; or c) is modified in some fashion.

One reality will go unchanged, according to a top-ranking SSWC exec: There is a need for a rule protecting pitchers because of the litigious nature of our society.

We could yet see one or more of the following alternatives: mandatory safety gear for pitchers; a screen; umpire discretion to eject egregious middle-shooters or other changes. But, according to this same SSUSA/SSWC official, "There will be a rule that protects pitchers. There is no getting around it."

With that reality set in stone, attempts to repeal the PPR at this time are mostly symbolic and will have little or no effect with regard to changing the status quo---although the current petition drive will communicate the widespread dissatisfaction among players with the current situation. But, the alternatives to the current PPR might be actually worse than what exists at present.

If you were at St. George, UT for the recent Spring World Championships, you saw very few invocations of the PPR. In our 6 games, it was not called once, and most of the players/managers I spoke with had no problems with it.

This is undoubtedly a result of a concerted attempt by SSUSA/SSWC to achieve consistent application of the rule from their umps AS IT IS WRITTEN. There is little or no problem with the rule AS IT IS WRITTEN. The problems have come from the wild enforcement and inconsistent application by umps and TDs, and by the temptation some umps have to inject their personality into the game by attempting to "legislate" safety in the name of the PPR.

The petition drive has generated an estimated 150-200 signatures in less than 30 days, reflecting the overwhelming dissatisfaction with things since the rule was instituted in October 2008. For a copy of the petition, please email me at

Hope this update helps in providing some context as to where I believe things stand at present regarding the PPR.

March 6, 2009
Topic: Rules of the game

The absolute WORST thing I can think of on a softball diamond is for the game to stop to allow an ambulance on the field to deal with a serious injury. We've all seen it, and the image of our teammate being carried off never goes away. None but a fool would think anyone actually hopes a pitcher (or anyone else) gets injured in our tournaments and leagues.

BUT...the current PPR must go now before it does irreparable harm to the game. How so?

1) It does NOT protect pitchers; it punishes hitters, but if a pitcher is hit does he not still bleed regardless of the DBO? Let me ask you...if you really want to protect the pitcher, would you start a game at 5pm with the setting sun so BLINDING that the pitcher asked his catcher to rioll the ball back to him because he could not see it? This actually happened at Romeo Park/Las Vegas at last November's Winter Worlds...I witnessed it and it involved our game. Incomprehensible---and completely irresponsible to think the PPR was in effect for that game. Think it would have averted an injury?

2) By telling hitters they cannot place the ball in the middle, you are tampering with one of the most basic concepts of hitting theory. ALL hitters are taught from the age of 8 to dial in the middle of the field; when a hitter is slumping, one of the most basic techniques used to bust out is to track the middle...for timing, placement; all starts in the middle.

3) The inconsistent application of the current PPR is yiedling inaccurante and unusable data. The rule as it was applied in October/Worlds differed dramatically from the application in Menifee; which differed substantially from the rule we saw in Phoenix in January; and that was different from what the umps were calling in Vegas/Winter Worlds. THESE RESULTS WOULD BE THROWN OUT OF ANY WORTHWHILE SAMPLING EFFORT;

4) The resultant protests and arguments are ruining the "positive social" aspect of softball interaction. The vitriol I've heard spewn at teams/players and umpires who are trying to make sense of this senselessness is shameful and there is no reason for it to continue. Umpiring is difficult enough without handing a metaphorical loaded gun to opposing managers and players to use to argue;

5) The time wasted on these unproductive arguments takes away from the allotted time for playing the games...we're already being squeezed on time (MONEY'S WORTH???) and if you want to do a real honest sampling effort, find out how many 7 inning games have been played since the PPR was instituted---I'll wager less than 50% of ALL games now last 7 innings;

6) Umpires HATE the PPR and do NOT want to deal with it...several asked for the petition and signed it in Arizona last weekend;

7) There are better ways to protect the pitcher; nobody thinks twice when they see a baseball catcher in shin guards, mask, and chest protector...even Little Leaguers wear protective equipment; many ballplayers wear a protective cup as a precaution; how many times do you see knee braces, ace bandages, ankle supports, neoprene thigh sleeves, elbow guards and dozens of other protective attempts. WHAT'S SO SACRED ABOUT TELLING PITCHERS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES WITH APPROPRIATE GEAR INSTEAD OF TELLING HITTERS TO CHANGE 50 YEARS OF COACHING???????

To paraphrase former president, Ronald Reagan, "Mister Hennessy, TEAR DOWN this rule!"

To take action to have the PPR repealed, find the thread titled REPEAL THE PPR...somewhere on this board.
March 2, 2009
Topic: Rules of the game

The "REPEAL THE PPR" movement kicked off this past weekend in Arizona with many teams requesting a petition to circulate among players. In addition, 3 other managers have emailed off line to request a copy.

The most surprising support came from several umpires who indicated strong dissatisfaction with the PPR and hopes for its hasty abandonment.

Tournament officials suspended the PPR for the weekend invitational in Peoria, AZ. There were no reports of injured pitchers.

If you want to help abolish the PPR, please see the original statement above for more information about how to get involved.
Feb. 27, 2009
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Achilles treatment

There is a supporter available from a company called is Click on Products and find the Achilles Tendon Support.

My left Achilles was inflamed last year and an orthopedic surgeon, a foot specialist, a chiropractor, and a physical therapist all told me such inflammation and pain is often a precursor to an Achilles tendon rupture, which concerned me greatly.

A course of ultra-sound and laser therapy, manipulation of the affected area, ice, helped. Ankle braces did nothing for me, but this little Cho-Pat strap really helped relieve the stress on the area and made it possible to play pain-free. I still wear it everytime I play or practice, or run.

Cost about $25 as I recall.

Hope this helps...take it easy on that Achilles.
Feb. 27, 2009
Topic: Rules of the game

Here is a plan to mobilize player/team support for repealing the PPR (Pitcher Protection Rule).

If you support the PPR as it is...just pass on by this thread. It is not for you as there are other threads already on the board for expressing your feelings pro AND con about the PPR.

If you want to see the PPR repealed, this thread is for you.

Those interested may request a copy of the petition being circulated to repeal the PPR. Names will be collected at tournaments all over the country during the next 60 days and the completed petitions will be sent to SSWC in Sacramento at the end of April.

It's quite simple. Get or make copies of the petition. Circulate the petitions at all tournaments in March and April to team managers...managers have players print their names and ID card #s on the petitions and then send the completed forms to SSWC in Sacramento. The address is right on the petition.

If there is sufficient interest in repealing the PPR, it will be done. If players do not communicate their feelings, or if there is sufficient support of the PPR, it will stay in place for a good portion of (if not ALL) this year and, I GUARANTEE YOU, your team will lose a crucial game because of this rule and your pitcher will remain as much at risk as he ever was.

Attempts to enforce the PPR have become ludicrous. We have witnessed every conceivable interpretation from calling automatic doubleplays on balls that did not even touch the pitcher; to calling DBOs on balls that ticked a pitcher's glove when he made a leaping stab at the liner; to ignoring a pitcher who was hit squarely on the kneecap by a bullet that the ump said he didn't see...and so on. We had an ump so thoroughly confused he called a DBO, then changed his call after the players howled; then reversed himself again and called a "do over"...all of which took too much time and resulted in the inevitable inning-shortened game.

If you want a copy of the petition, post your email address or send me yours privately. My email address is

Here is the text of the petition:

WHEREAS, the recently adopted Pitcher Protection Rule (PPR) will do nothing to prevent injuries to pitchers during competitive senior softball tournament games sponsored by SSWC/SSUSA and others, and instead only punishes hitters, and;

WHEREAS, the PPR has been so wildly misinterpreted by umpires and Tournament Directors that a clear and consistent application has been impossible to achieve, resulting in subjective calls, unnecessary umpire arguments, verbal abuse between players and teams, shortened games, and wasted time, and;

WHEREAS, the only true protection that can be obtained by pitchers or any other fielders overly concerned about sustaining injuries during competitive slow pitch softball games is the wearing of protective equipment;

We, the players named below, do hereby petition Senior Softball USA to repeal the current Pitcher Protection Rule before the Rock-in-Reno Tournament scheduled for May 27-29, 2009, if not sooner.

Thanks for helping,

Dennis Dalton

Dec. 29, 2008
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Looking for a team in scottsdale az area


Players from several teams in the area (50 year olds all the way up to 62 year olds) are practicing this Sat, Jan 3 at Desert Horizon Park, 56th St./Paradise, just south of Bell Rd...9am. Although not the only teams around, this will introduce you to some players and can begin a possible network that might eventually get you placed in a comfortable fit...although any team can ALWAYS use a good pitcher.

Give us some contact information---email preferred...and I'm sure someone will get hold of you separately.
Aug. 20, 2008
Topic: Teams looking for players
Discussion: New team in Phoenix

For anyone interested, several senior softball players from various teams around the Phoenix area (including 50/AAA CJ&S Express--but other teams as well) are working out this Saturday at 9am at Desert Horizon Park...56th St./Paradise, just south of Bell and north of Greenway.
CJ&S Express has been a very competitive, successful 50/AAA team in the state for the past 3 years, ( 3 Championship rings including the Florida TOC in Feb 2007, 22 first place finishes, and in the money 64% of the time over 72 tournaments since Apr 2005) but is looking for solid, complete players under new field management for the 2009 campaign.

If you're looking to hook up with a great team and a terrific group of guys, come on out to practice this Saturday morning at Desert Horizon. We'll have BP, infield, and outfield practice. Nine o'clock at 56th St./Paradise in Phoenix

Everyone is welcome.
Aug. 6, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: RATINGS WARS--continued

A true story: In early July 2005 our 50/AA team, Vintage Jox, was suddenly and inexplicably raised to AAA by SSUSA. We had won two relatively unimportant tournaments in May and April and were playing well. But, nobody on our team believed we were AAA and, more importantly, nobody on our team WANTED to play AAA.
Still, there we were, on the eve of the Western Nationals in Seattle, after having spent the money for plane tickets and hotel reservations, ordered to play AAA. We were steamed.
After taking an 0-5 drubbing up there at the hands of some pretty good AAA teams, I remember making a few not-so-polite comments to tournament officials. We stayed AAA for another 3 tournaments before our appeal for reinstatement to AA was granted based on the same criteria SSUSA used to elevate us in the first place.

Anyone who has been through this will understand how difficult it is. Call us "whiners" if you will, but until you have walked in these shoes yourself you might want to keep the lid on the personal criticisms.

The larger point, however, is that SSUSA showed themselves to be fair-minded in our case, and did the right thing. In our opinion, they set forth a policy and followed it fairly to the point of effectively admitting they had erred in bumping us---what more can any team ask?

I urge teams that feel they have been unfairly bumped to at least try the appeal route once you have some empirical data with which to make your case.

Rating of teams is central to the success of senior softball because it is at the root of competitive parity---for our money, SSUSA has established itself as the organization that MOST tries to keep the field level for all teams.

When I've registered our team at the pre-tournament managers meetings, I'm consistently impressed by the thorough checking of our roster and those of the other teams. Every name is checked with margin notes in red ink that track that player's presence on other rosters...they do this to spot unusual player movement or possible sandbagging. Can you think of another senior organization that expends similar effort?

Prior to major tournaments I might receive several phone calls from SSUSA staffers with questions about players---which qualifier did they play long have they been with us...and the like.

While obviously not perfect, in my opinion this rating system deserves some credit for helping produce the remarkably even slates of teams we're facing in the 50/AAA level.

Let's take the good parts of it, leavened with continuing honesty and integrity from the managers and players themselves, and improve it until we have a better system.

But let's stay on the field and PLAY BALL while we work out our differences.
Aug. 5, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Interesting Topic

Quoting in part from Senior Softball News, Spring 2008 edition. The author is Terry Hennessy, editor, and CEO of SSUSA:

"...As a member of the National Ratings Committee, I can tell you that we are committed---unequivocally---to protect lower divisions. That means the standards we set are tough. That means we do not move teams down unless they prove that they are:

1) not too strong for the lower division;
2) cannot compete in their current division.

Teams must play three or more qualifying tournaments---so that we can see a clear pattern---and they must be losing to teams in their current age and skill level by an average of at least 5 runs a game. In addition, we check each player on each roster.

We feel that teams are competitive if they are generally within a few runs of other teams in the same age and skill level---even if they are losing EVERY game. [emphasis in the original]

Being competitive means teams have a CHANCE to win. It does not mean a GOOD CHANCE to win; it means on a good day they MIGHT win. [emphasis in the original]..."

"...Unfortunately, many senior teams grew up in the era of adult softball in which they felt they had a RIGHT to win. [emphasis in the original]

In true sportsmanship, it is not a right to win, but a right to compete. That is true competition.

The National Ratings Committee is dedicated to promoting equal competition. We are not arrogant about it; in fact, we spend many hours researching records and discussing team ratings to be sure every team has the same chance.

But, we are firm---we will not allow a few teams to ruin the sport. We believe that by being firm we will help senior softball remain healthy, growing and competitive for years to come...."

End quote. The entire article can be found on page 29
Aug. 4, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: RATINGS WARS


I just re-read your posts from an earlier thread...and those of Ken, your teammate who put together the appeal for Sacramento...and wanted to offer another comment that might be helpful.

While it's frustrating to think nobody is reading your communications, be assured there is great sensitivity to this issue in Sacramento. In Ken's case, though, appealing results of the tournament that got you bumped up (with all due respect) is not a productive use of time. SSUSA has made it clear they want to see how you will do at the Major level.

If your team has, as you say, been together for 7-8 years you can be sure Sacramento and others know who you are. They have determined from current results and the total body of work Base Hawgs/Double Nickels has put up over the past few years that you can compete at Major and have acted accordingly.

Now is the time to play and see what the results are on the field. Now is NOT the time to quit in protest. Many teams have been bumped, appealed, and been reinstated... my own team has had this experience twice since 2005.

Sacramento has no interest in making your lives're a good customer of theirs and they want you happy. If you can't compete at Major, THEN appeal and see what happens. But you must have some data for them to evaluate and you don't have that yet.

Despite what you think there is still time for you to compete, appeal, and be reinstated in time to play the Worlds in Phoenix.

Don't quit and take away the opportunity to win a World Championship in 2008. We read everyday about tragedies involving players who are then unable to play again...all of us know the next tournament might be our last.

That's what makes it so exciting...:-)

Hang in there...we NEED the Double Nickels.
Aug. 4, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: RATINGS WARS

To the managers who’ve decided to quit playing SSUSA events in protest because their teams were raised to the next higher level:
Has it occurred to you that by refusing to play in SSUSA events, such action will do nothing to change the situation and everything to maintain the status quo?
Terry Hennessy has put SSUSA's rating philosophy in writing for everyone to read, understand, and know. There is nothing secretive or arcane about it. He spells it out in print. In case you did not see it, you’ll find it on page 29 of the Spring 2008 issue of Senior Softball News, the publication you receive as a member of SSUSA.
He makes it clear the ratings system is in place to protect the lower divisions, usually defined as AA but evidently it also includes some AAA teams.
The point is made in the article that lower rated teams will quit playing rather than come to tournaments with no perceived chance to win the event.
Your actions have confirmed that thinking.

Now, you might have every reason to do what you have decided to do and it may be the right thing for your team…I wouldn’t presume to know your circumstances. But, by refusing to play SSUSA events, and making the very public protests you have made…rather than try to improve and compete…you have told your team and the rest of the senior softball community that you would rather quit than play up…and that is precisely why the ratings policy you so vehemently disagree with is in place.

Why don’t you reconsider the decision and come and play. If you take some lumps, what’s the big deal? In the world of run differentials you’ll need to play a few tournaments at the higher level and then probably be reinstated to your preferred level upon appeal.

Do you really want to miss out on the unbridled happiness of competing on a softball field because somebody actually thinks you’ve got a pretty good team? Heck, man, that’s a COMPLIMENT…so why not PLAY BALL…?
July 12, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: team ratings

On page 29 of the Spring 2008 issue of Senior Softball News, Terry Hennessy details the hows and whys of team ratings.

In 4 years of playing senior ball, my team has been bumped up to AAA without warning, appealed and were then reinstated to AA; a year later we voluntarily asked to be raised to AAA, added some players and were bumped up to Major, appealed that ruling and were once again reinstated to AAA, where we currently reside.

The point? SSUSA (the only ratings that really count, in my opinion) is making a concerted effort to insure PARITY at their tournaments.

Parity of competition is at the heart of any discussion about ratings. Why? Because so many managers (myself included) want a solid shot at winning the tournament whenever they spend money to travel and play.

The article about ratings (referenced above) describes being competitive as, "...teams have a CHANCE to win. It does not mean a GOOD CHANCE to win; it means on a good day, they MIGHT win..."

The article also states the Ratings Committee is UNEQUIVOCALLY committed to protecting the lower divisions. One can easily understand this thinking, as some 80+% of the players, teams, and revenue come from AA and AAA rankings. Without that base, there is no SSUSA and certainly no such elaborate tournament structure as we enjoy, and most senior ballplayers would be relegated to playing with 30-somethings once again...or retiring from the game (for the most part) once and for all.

As stated elsewhere by others, ANY system that attempts to rate teams relies ultimately on the honesty and integrity of the managers and players themselves. In my opinion, teams should try to win their age/class championships and then willingly move up to the next division and try to compete and win there. But that's just me. Many teams have no real interest in winning any rings...they just want to play and have fun. They have the right to come and play without fear of being embarrassed by sandbaggers.

While there are some mistakes made in ratings decisions, I have found the committee to be responsive and fair upon appeal, provided the appeal procedure was followed. And I encourage ANY manager who feels his team has been unfairly bumped to make the appeal in the correct fashion at the appropriate time.
June 4, 2008
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Home Team in Elimination Brackets

I have often thought the same thing about earning the right to bat last in a championship game. Lately, however, after spending more time in the losers bracket than we did last year, it seems the accomplishment of making it to the finals by winning several more games is every bit as significant as winning your way through the victors bracket.

If the bracket contains 17 teams (as the 50/AAAs did in Carson City), the losers bracket representative might enter the finals after winning as many as 8 consecutive games. That would be worthy of at least a coin flip to determine last licks, in my opinion.
May 12, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous

Let's try to keep principles before personalities, men, in the COACHES CORNER. No real names except your own, please.

To AZBALLER: While you are correct in your statement I have refused to release some players, you fail to note I have released far more than I have kept. There are 2 players I have not released in 3+ years of coaching, and many, many more whom I have. You have been misinformed.

To WOOD and WES: The motive behind the thread is exactly as stated--to share thoughts and strategies about dealing with difficult personalities and other problems. The situation described happened exactly as stated in January of 2007, the text message rang into only my cell phone, so you will have to take my word for it. If it helps you to keep your objectivity, why not treat the whole incident as anecdotal...what if this thing would you respond to the player? And, WES, it was the first time but it happened twice more before we parted ways with this player after the Worlds last year.

From the many insightful responses, I confirmed my own feelings that by doing essentially nothing, I handled this person poorly and should have been more direct at the time. Watching the team spiral downward and become a .500 team in the second half of last year caused me to second guess myself repeatedly, Hindsight is always 20/20, though, and the forward-thinking thing to do is to learn the lesson and move on.

For those of you who continue to manage, keep in mind that different skills might be required for different stages in the life of your team. By that I mean organizational and recruiting skills might be great as a team is starting, but expertise in psychology and motivation could help you more as your team tries to move up the ladder.

A Council of Advisers and team meetings are also excellent ideas for dealing with problems...I employ both concepts on our team and have been helped immeasurably by our core of players.

You need a lot of different tools in your kit to do this successfully for any length of time. I commend those who do it well. I could not in my 4th year and will not return to coaching in 2009.

Finally, to the HAVASU HAWKS: Thanks for weighing in and DB14---great to hear from you. Hope your year is going well and I hope we see you in Reno.
May 10, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous

It's time to put a little relevance back into this website---after all, it is the Senior SOFTBALL website. With apologies to you Movie buffs...and you nostalgia rowdies with your reminiscenses of black and white TV shows (I confess I did contribute one of my old favorites to this thread)...but this and any future entries will be for coaches and managers to share thoughts and strategies about dealing with the petulant, prickly, personalities that perennially pepper our player pool...and other problems that we are often saddled with.

Here we go...feel free to contribute your own questions at any time...but please give the author some feedback about the one currently on the board.

THE SCENE: It's 7:30 Sunday morning of a 2 day out-of-town tournament and our game is at 9. We have only 11 players in uniform for 3 games that day. At 8 o'clock a text message from Prima Ballerina rings thru to your cell phone and it says: "Had a fight with my girlfriend and drove home last night. Won't be there today."

THE PROBLEM: We now have only 10 players for 3 games and can't find anyone else because we're out of town and we don't know anyone. Prima Ballerina is our leadoff man and ALWAYS insists on playing every inning, but we will not have him this day.


Again, responses from coaches/managers only please. And, please identify either yourself and the team you coach/manage...or preferably both...(depending on how patient and wise you are, I may want to play for you next year when I give this job up:-)

I am Dennis Dalton of 50's CJ&S Express/Phoenix.
April 30, 2008
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Popular TV Series from 1948 – 1979 reaches 108!

Don't forget...LAWMAN, starring John Russell and Peter Brown, from 1958-1962. Top notch serious Western.

"There was a job to be done,

The LAWMAN came with a gun..."
April 9, 2008
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: AA and AAAhome run rules

To Batter 4u-

Page 58 of the 2008 SSWC Rule Book covers it:

AAA- One home run and then 1-up, extra HRs are singles and runners advance one base until your opponent catches up;

AA- One home run period, extra HRs are outs.
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