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Nancy Allen

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Nov. 11, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is a check-swing or deliberate half-swing legal?

STL0, you're right. I am saying what I am thinking wrong. You can't bunt or chop at the ball.
Nov. 11, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is a check-swing or deliberate half-swing legal?

B.J., I totally agree. It is a myth that there is a rule anywhere that says that a batter has to take a full swing. There are a few others but won't go there in this discussion. There is no need for a rule change because what a batter can't do is clearly stated. It is one of those things that people who don't know rules just believe. It is one of what I call heart rules. We will never change their mind; so we just enforce the rule.
Nov. 11, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is a check-swing or deliberate half-swing legal?

Jgoff5113, it would be coming down with the bat like an axe from what I have always been taught. It must have happened as a strategy sometime in the past, or there wouldn't be that rule in every association against it. I have never seen a deliberate chop at the ball. I have seen a couple that were close, but they were in response to an inside pitch with two strikes, desperate swings.

Stick8, I would have to see that check swing. There is no requirement stated for a full swing (softball myth). As I said, it happens rarely, but a slap hitter has a talent, and defensive players sometimes gripe, especially in the upper divisions. They are usually very fast, and most of them that I have seen were left handed and hit the left. I appreciate their skill at it. I also have never called anyone out for it. I have only ever had one person bunt in slow pitch. Yes, he was surprised that he was out. He was trying to be funny. ⚾⚾⚾

Nov. 11, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is a check-swing or deliberate half-swing legal?

I have always admired what we call here a good slap hitter. Very few have that talent. From what was described, that is what you witnessed. If he didn't just square up and bunt, I don't see a problem. A full swing is not described by any association and is not required as long as it is not bunted or chopped at. I do know some defenders get really mad when a batter does it, but it is a skill that works for some. I have heard many say for years that as long as the wrists are turned, it is alright. I would agree with that philosophy.
Nov. 1, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Shoulder Arthritis

My experience is only with Coachie's arthritis. If it is just osteo arthritis, it is much better than the others. He had some osteo and some rheumatoid. My advice is to make sure that you get a good rheumatologist if you haven't already. The guys had some potions with cider vinegar and other ingredients, but it never helped for him. The medicines for the non-osteo types require some serious thinking because they have can have serious side effects. Good luck on this journey.
Oct. 31, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hip replacement

Please don't give up, grayhitter59. I know two players that have had both hips replaced and play at major level. The request is not unusual. Your Dr's nurse or physician's assistant should be able to get it for you.
Oct. 31, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Renewing online

There are discussions from prior years that seem to indicate that since one year or multiyear cards at their end expire October 31 that the system may be offline. You should be able to call the office for clarification and to renew.
Oct. 30, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Umpire training course or school?

Tcosentino, about 3 1/2 hours from you, B.J. puts on senior softball umpire clinics. I have a lot of respect for him and his ability to explain rules and situations succinctly. I tend to be a little wordy. Have you ever umpired? If not, I would have some additional advice.
Oct. 30, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Red meat for umpire types

Dave, please close your eyes for a moment. B.J., the orange bag was added for safety; it seemed so simple. Then somehow every association added their own set of rules on other things related to it. So no wonder people and umpires get confused. You and I both try to know our rules and talk about them to properly enforce them no matter what association we work. I work a lot of games for an association with my favorite double base rule. There are no automatic outs at 1B; it is a live ball appeal. I can call time before they even have a chance to think about it, and they really don't know the rule anyway. They also have a rule that I don't like that if the throw takes the fielder away from the bag that they may use the orange bag to get an out if that is where the throw takes them. Also I did not watch the play but will now, but if you said that you would have called him out for interference, you have my vote.
Oct. 30, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

SKings24, I respectfully disagree with part of your statements. Hopefully most umpires carry something to write with and on and can mark a finite number, 2, 3, 4, whatever the set number of home runs is. Having to do that but also keep track of who can go one up and when is not as easy as it sounds to someone who just hits them (or not). You add to that the players, coaches, and fans asking those same questions about it, and you can run into problems with an umpire. I always have something to write with and something to write on. I am much more concerned about tracking things than most umpires that I have met. I was a scorekeeper for my husband for over 20 years and cannot stand anything but knowing what is going on all of the time. I have tracked finite numbers of home runs, one up home runs, progressive penalty home runs, designated home run hitters, and others both as an umpire and a scorekeeper. So I hopefully am never the umpire to worry about on those; I do what is needed by the rules that I am enforcing. Trust me; you really don't want to add administrative tasks to an umpire. I do whole heartedly agree with you on scorekeepers. It will never happen, but I think that every team should have one, and they should keep data for both teams. That way hopefully if there is an issue, books can be compared. Paid scorekeepers don't often track all of the data needed. Here they are often in score towers and cannot have an actual conversation with the umpire. I also agree in fairness. I want to be known for being fair and being approachable when I umpire. I also hustle and strive to know rules and rule differences. Hopefully some day we can have a nice conversation about our philosophies.
Oct. 28, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

tall_thunder, it sounds like you are not too happy. I have a lot of respect for softball, but I have a lot of experience that shows me that there is never a way to make everyone happy when it comes to home runs. One up has historically been problematic. Umpires should track home runs, but one up is a little different. I will not try to explain it again here. Just take my word for it or not. Please don't jump on Tim. I think that he was only reacting to my examples of some of the most ridiculous rules that I have seen to compensate for the home run issue over the years. No disrespect meant to you and am always glad to talk to anyone. If you feel strongly about it, do submit it. I don't always agree with all rules or rule changes but will always enforce them.
Oct. 26, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

DCPete, I appreciate that, and I personally have no problem doing whatever the rules require. However there are some umpires that get into enough trouble on their own without adding anything else. I am a big believer in rules that do not add to umpires getting into further trouble. Administrative tasks fall into that category. I never want a team to have a bad experience because an umpire didn't keep good enough notes on whether a team can go one up or not. Yes, I have seen that happen especially on a blistering July day after an umpire has done several games. Have great games, kid.
Oct. 25, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

BEBIC, my reason for thinking is because of the development of rules for the NSA association. The first year that the one up rule came up there were no exceptions to the rule. Both the visitors and home team could go one up in the last inning. Of course players complained all year that it gave the home team an unfair advantage. So they changed the rule the next year, and players complained that it gave the visitors an unfair advantage to which my thought is then pick visitors on the coin flip. I work a local league that it is also a controversy in the one up rule. Players do or don't like that the home team cannot go up in the last inning, and I had a very animated coach that did not understand that the last inning was what we played when time ran out, not the seventh.

In my opinion only, the one up rule always sparks controversy. I also do not like the umpires having one more administrative task to take care of. I am not saying that all umpires can always track a home run limit accurately, but it becomes much worse if they have to do that and then also be aware if a team can hit one more or not. Umpires have enough issues without that.

I like a home run limit. It is non-negotiable and is therefore fair to both teams. I always side on fairness. As others have pointed out, it better reflects what a team does from a performance standpoint. I have seen many, sometimes ridiculous, rules that try to accommodate home runs, but a home run limit works.
Oct. 22, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

These are perfect examples of why I like so many home runs only just like it is now. On the progressive penalty rule, I had a player ask why we didn't take runs away from the team that hit the home runs instead of adding runs to the team playing against them. I just said "...because we don't want players looking at the scoreboard asking is that a positive or negative 5". On home runs these all prove that the KISS rule should apply...please.
Oct. 22, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

BallPlayer35, just for clarification for anyone reading your post, DHH is a Designated Homerun Hitter. I think that only one association uses that; so I am not sure if most seniors would be familiar with it. The way it works is that each team designates someone that can hit homeruns that are not counted against the team's home run total. If that DHH is walked, there is a "free" home run until they come up to bat again.

Not a fan of it, but I do like it better than the inning ending home runs when over your total or progressive penalty home runs. I thought about all of the home run "flavors" that I have seen over my very long softball career. I won't list them here, but the most interesting one had to be all home runs were doubles (no limit) to allow all skill levels to be able play against each other. There is nothing cuter than a Major+ player standing on 2B saying, "Wow, I've never been here before".
Oct. 22, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Use one up for home runs this year

I won't speak to all of the ways that I have seen associations attempt to make home runs equal over the years. There are many, some even with some merits. What I will say is that one up is something that has always been a controversy. When it was introduced in the association that I worked most last century, the biggest controversy was that it gave the home team an unfair advantage. Really? They have always batted second. So then they go into only visiting teams can go one up. Oh, advantage to the visitors? Pick visitors on the flip? So I am not a fan.

My biggest issue as an umpire or player is that it gives the umpire one more administrative task to do to accurately track it. Umpires are typically not good at administrative tasks. I track all of mine in the one up games that I work, but quite frankly I do have to accurately make good notes and know where each team is in their home run status. The last thing that any of us want is to have a game decided on a home run with the umpire not having an accurate home run count. As a scorekeeper, I always tracked it for both teams as well, but scorekeepers are often not tracking that if at all and rely on the umpires. I am a big advocate of taking extra work that could decide a game out of the umpire's hands. I know that this sounds so easy to track, but even though I am pretty good at it, I know that many others are not. Play to your homerun limits. They are the same for each team which makes them fair. Dave's point on home run limits leveling the playing field is a good one especially for the good records that the office keeps of each game and team.

Cynical? Perhaps. Dave will tell you that I think that umpires get into enough trouble on their own without adding one more reason for them to get into a situation. As long as something is the same for each team, it is fair. Fairness is very important to me in softball.
Oct. 19, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Torn meniscus

Crush, I disagree only because of my experience with my knee Dr. When I asked my regular Dr for a referral to the knee Dr that I wanted, he ordered a MRI. It yielded two pages of information. My knee Dr looked at it and laughed and said that his knee MRI would probably generate five pages. He said that he used X-rays for his evaluations. He X-rayed both my knees. He then showed me my issue, my severed ACL. My MRI had nothing listed about that. He was at least kind enough to take the MRI and put it in my file. So I had spent $100 co-pay and wasted time for the MRI that turned out to be useless.
Oct. 18, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Torn meniscus

Danny G, I would be very careful. I was misdiagnosed three times in 15 years. Torn meniscus was one of those. My knee Dr is my hero. After years of pain and limitations, I went to him. It was none of the things that I had been told by other Drs. He believes in surgery as a last resort. It turns out mine was a severed ACL, and he said that I was too stubborn to give up walking when I was told the other three "minor" problems. He said that he could repair it any time, but it would be painful and require a lot of therapy, and I had been walking anyway. He taught me exercises and behaviors. I really did not do the exercises but did the behaviors. That was 12 years ago, and I can run and have no pain. I am not suggesting that your Dr is wrong, or your issue is the same as mine, but get second opinions before you allow anyone to do surgery.

Coachie was bone on bone in his knee and needed surgery. I sent him to my knee Dr. He said that he could do the surgery, but Coachie needed to do exercises to strenghten the muscles and also lose weight. He was not going to go for that. So he ended up with another knee Dr that I believe was competent. Unfortunately he had an undiagnosed condition that caused him to have a heart attack and die a few days after the surgery. Unfortunately my knee Dr was right again.

If you are near Indy, I would be glad to share my Dr's information. If not, just be very selective, and don't let them just cut into you if there are other alternatives. Good luck.
Oct. 11, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: 43 looking for a 40+team

Danbino, select Leagues above, and then select Great Lakes. There you will see leagues in Illinois. This may not be the most up to date as leagues sometimes submit their own information, and leagues do not always get deleted or changed. This should at least give you some starting points and contacts.
Oct. 7, 2019
Nancy Allen
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Initial Coin Flip Rule

Dave, my Daddy is an actuary and would totally agree with you. I have in jest when players aren't responding to coming for a plate meeting hollered first one to the plate gets home. That only happens with young guys, and I have never enforced it. Seniors for the most part are pretty prompt on coming to the plate. It is getting the line up card filled out that is a real chore with a couple of teams. You know that we have one in the Midwest here that may hold the record for longest effort in filling that out. Hope all is well.
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