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Don Newhard

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, March 1, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Giving 5 runs to "inferior" teams

There have been some great points made above (not necessarily mine included)in a fairly civil discourse. This prompted me to re-examine my true position on the courtesy 5 run rule. The Wood and LeftyOdoul say it best. I've found that playing close games in February really helps us be ready for close games in our classification in tournaments that really matter in October. Although I may quip at those teams (primarily the 55 M teams) taking runs, I really appreciate that they are there and competing in local events all year so that we have a place to play senior softball against quality opponents all year long. If the five-run rule is needed to make that happen, so be it.

I've gone on record many times about combining Major and Major Plus, which would end this debate in those classifications. I stand by that belief as I think there are enough equalizers in place (runs per inning, limits on homers)when M+ and M play. Three levels is enough in each age group.

As LeftyOdoul points out, the free run rule is not a perfect solution, but if it produces the best outcome by increasing participation, it has its place. We won't take it if it's available, but that's just our M/O. We think playing straight up makes us stronger. Just something to consider when the opportunity presents itself.
Let's Play Ball!
JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
, Feb. 28, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Giving 5 runs to "inferior" teams

Whoopie, whoever you are. Who's crying? I'm calling out Major teams who take the free runs, especially the ones that pick M+ players just up from the younger age group. That's the embarrassment. In seven years my teams have never taken runs when playing M+ teams or younger divisions, including teams likes J
K 40's or the strongest editions of the Mavericks. We'd rather have the challenge of playing the best straight up. Your right, there is no crying in softball, and there is no bigger boo hoo in this game than "I want my baby runs". As for my good friend Mango, he couldn't agree more.

Stop by and introduce yourself sometime, I'm not hard to find. I look like Larry Tate and I wear #22. If you're taking the runs, I'll spare you the needling as you already know how I feel.
, Feb. 28, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Giving 5 runs to "inferior" teams

As a 55 M+ team, we give up runs almost every game we play this time of year. What's worse than giving up the runs is trying to get eye contact from the teams that actually take the runs. With apologies to the Marine Corp, I have a new motto for those teams that are hooked on the government cheese runs, "Wimper Five"! Man up and play straight up, especially if you are a Major team.

Same stupid question that never gets answered objectively, What is a M+ player? 99% of previous answers and the method of administration of this rule is that it is a player that had the good fortune to play for a successful major team.
, Jan. 17, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: We are all friends!

Andy, it was good to see you as well. You are right sir, we are all (and should be)friends. Senior Softball players belong to a unique fraternity. There is much that unites us, I prefer to focus on that. Good luck this year and amen to the staying healthy concept!
Don Newhard
Summy's Nighthawks
, Jan. 13, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WHERE ARE THE 60 M+ & 55'S PLAYING??

Nighthawks 55M+ - 2/18&19 Hemet, 3/23-25 Mesquite, 4/14&15 Hemet; 5/19&20 Temecula, 6/1-6/3 Reno, 6/23-24 either Hemet or Pendleton, 7/14&15 San Clemente, 8/4&5 Temecula, 8/24-26 San Clemente, 9/8&9 Hemet, 9/28-30 Las Vegas

Don Newhard
Manager
Summy's Nighthawks 55M+
, Jan. 11, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SCSST/SSUSA WINTER CLASSIC IN MENIFEE

@GDMoses - Thank you, how nice to see a positive comment on the board about this event, including results. We are looking forward to playing this weekend in the 55's. Looks like the amazing weather will continue, I'm told we will have 10 teams in our division. January, 70-80 degrees, good local senior competition, priceless!!

Don Newhard
Summy's Nighthawks 55M+
, Dec. 5, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: JAN. 2012 HELP

Nighthawks 55 M+ planning on Menifee 1/14&15.

, Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!!

One of the biggest wastes of time and energy in Senior Softball is the endless scheming and theories on how to segregate players based on some mythical, subjective image of an "impact player". Even a real impact player like Ron Parnell only bats 4-5 times a game.

Get rid of the Major Plus designation, and the volume of whining and scheming on this board to dilute competition would decrease dramatically.

Anyone playing in top-level nationwide tournament softball should welcome the chance to compete against the best, or should stay the blank home and impact the Barcalounger.

5-year age brackets work, and 3 divisions is more than adequate at any age level.

Don Newhard
55 M+ Nighthawks
, Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA,What's the procedure for a player to get re-rated?

Although George is a pleasant enough guy, I'm pretty sure he has to run all such decisions by the "Power that BE", TH.
, Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Impact Player

At this time, a 60's team in California is being told that if it adds a certain player turning 60 next year from my 55 M+ team (Nighthawks) that player will count as one of 3 Major Plus players against the proposed roster. This player is an excellent hitter who has made all-tourney teams over the years, and wreaks havoc with defenses trying to stop him. In five years playing for me, this player NEVER hit a ball over a fence. He is only being labeled "impact" because he happened to be on a roster of a team that was aribtrarily moved to 55 Major Plus.

Dear Staff, please explain how this inaccurate, subjective methodology, based on guilt by association, helps our game. Who are we protecting from what?

Still too many divisions by one, Subtract the Plus, the game will survive just fine.

Don Newhard
55 M+ Nighthawks
, Oct. 10, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Paul Smit- Team DoublePlay Classic

Sorry to hear that about Paul, a great competitor and player, but an even better person. Get well soon Paul.

, Oct. 7, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Feedback on this idea?

I've advocated this idea for years. The performance required to win the winners bracket game deserves a reward. There is no logical argument to deny this well-earned benefit. The NFL, MLB,NBA, NHL all reward best records with home field advantage in the playoffs, why should SSUSA be any different. This is just one more example where SSUSA treats winning and good performance as bad for the game.

Yo, Woody (Guthrie?) Perhaps the socialism reference is accurate, as this rule seems intended to redistribute un-earned wealth. IF you want home team advantage, go get it! But then, we live in a world where 200-pound girls have the court-mandated right to be cheerleaders!

Let the winnahs win!

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 50 M+

, Sept. 15, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LVSSA Tourney Sept.30th - Oct.2nd

@ Jawood - He's pimping the So Cal SSA, but you know what, he's right. We just played his event in Hemet, well done Marv.

@Dave Clark 5 (Dbax) "glad all over" to see you in Hemet this past weekend. Thanks for answering my question on Shadow Rock in Vegas, that is where the 9 55+ teams get to play! Thanks LVSSA, not!
, Sept. 1, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LVSSA World Masters

Nighthawks 55 M+ will be there.

, Aug. 29, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Home Runs for Outs

Every rule should fix or prevent a problem, or it shouldn't exist. I've asked SSUSA leadership in person numerous times what problem is being resolved by making HR's outs. I've never receive an answer. We can speculate all we want, but SSUSA should be able to articulate why this rule exists since they make the rules. I can see reasons for different limits for different levels and then singles or walks, but cannot see any reason at all for making HR's outs.

Enlighten us please.

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55M+

, Aug. 29, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Western National July 12-July 17/ Calif cup Aug 9-Aug 14

We (Nighthawks) haven't received our jackets yet either, FROM THE SPRING WORLDS IN MARCH!! Don't hold your breath.
, Aug. 18, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What would you do

Stick8, Vegas Worlds in 2008, I played for and managed Evolution in 50 Major. I believe you were playing for an outfit from Michigan. Those line drives you hit are hardly punch and judy! I agree with you, I haven't witnessed deliberate shots at pitchers, but I get tired of the notion that hitting to the middle of the field is wrong and intended to hurt pitchers.
, Aug. 17, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What Define a Major Plus Player, a Major Player and a AAA player and Who rates Them

Good question Joe

, Aug. 17, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What would you do

@ Stick8 - I think there is a definite distinction between hitting the middle and taking a shot at a pitcher. Your example in no way should be considered intent to harm and is part of the game. I've been in the infield and outfield when you've sent some missles up the middle. (in your case I prefer outfield, they've slowed down a bit by them lol) Never for a second did I think you were hitting at our pitcher.

I don't think many in our game would hit a shot at a pitcher to do harm. For one thing, he has a glove just ready to record an F-1 in the book. I do think, however, that there are tell tale signs if someone is going after a pitcher, usually big mouth bluster. If an ump hears that, he should step in and take action. If not tossing the jerk(s), maybe issuing a warning to both benches like in MLB. If the ump thinks things have escalated that far, then action is required. At that point, you would know that a shot up the middle is an out and an ejection.

@Mad Dog - there are some lightweight umpire chest protectors that would work. For me, a mask and shin guards are enough for now.
, Aug. 17, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Poll on discussions and posters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pricer - in my mind you are a respectful poster. But anyone hijacking a thread, especially anonymously, is not cool and most of us would like them to stay off the board unless they are contributing to the subject.
If it is a personal attack, show some class and spare us.

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