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, Aug. 17, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Poll on discussions and posters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pricer - in my mind you are a respectful poster. But anyone hijacking a thread, especially anonymously, is not cool and most of us would like them to stay off the board unless they are contributing to the subject.
If it is a personal attack, show some class and spare us.

, Aug. 17, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What would you do

Hitting up the middle to get a hit is entirely different from "buzzing the tower". Until the rules take away the Webbie25's 25 degrees in the middle of the field it's part of the game. I've also yet to hear a pitcher swear off throwing the low, short, outside pitch. Sorry, I'm not pulling that pitch so I can ground out to the shortstop.

Anyone intentionally hitting at the pitcher to retaliate needs to be tossed from a game. Talking smack like "middle's open" is also bush and should immediately be confronted. Umps need to take immediate charge if that starts happening in a game and toss the big mouths advocating a middle war.

Apologies aren't necessary, but an expression of concern to anyone injured or assuring a pitcher that a near miss was not intentional is good sportsmanship.

Finally, voluntarily wearing protective equipment mitigates the risk, end of story. In Southern CA, many of us know a pitcher from one of the Top Gun teams who is done for the year after taking a shot to the gut that resulted in emergency surgery and removal of his spleen. BTW, it was a crappy ball/hot bat situation in Camp Pendleton. Point, the risk is there even with the worst equipment, it's part of the game. Let's accept that, protect ourselves as each sees fit, and quit advocating that trying to get a hit up the middle is wrong.

, Aug. 17, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Poll on discussions and posters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hitman - I'm in! To quote the Grateful Dead "Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you've got nothing new to say", (from New Speedway Boogie)
, Aug. 11, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LET'S FIX THE TOP---Part Three

Jawood - as usual, I totally agree with you on the run per inning concept. I just think 7 is the right number, it is a compromise between a 5-run inning and having every inning open.

Pricer, it's hard for all of us to admit as the years go by, but none of us in senior softball needs to be in the field for 45 minute open innings like we did when we were younger. That's one reason the run limit per inning makes sense. It's a tweak that helps us enjoy both aspects of the game. If we just want to hit, we should resurrect "over-the-line" like many of us played as kids.

Our team has a pretty good offense and plenty of power, but we enjoy playing defense as much as hitting. Einstein (I still say he looks more like David Crosby, his next user id will be "Wooden Ships") makes a good point that winning in senior ball requires a whole game of performance and focus, not just one big inning.

JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55+
, Aug. 10, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LET'S FIX THE TOP---Part Three

Dennis - thanks for the kind words, it was great to see you guys in Temecula, and look forward to seeing you in Hemet in September.

All problems mentioned above about player ratings or "brands" placed on any player previously on a Major Plus roster, or access to players go away if we combine M & M+ divisions. The result at the top will be bigger brackets and more varied competition. Honest competitors recognize that there isn't that much difference between M+ teams and most M teams. The equalizers help manage or balance a combined division. Way too much energy is expended trying segregate teams by subjective rating schemes.

As for equalizers, I vote for 7-run innings like we just had with SCSSA. As the visiting team, it is hard to put much distance from the home team when you can only score 5 and hang on when the home team bats in the open inning.

I think 7 homers, then 1 up, homers as walks, is a fair compromise. Our 55M+ team has only ran out of homers 3 times in 36 games this year, with varying limits.

I've said many times that M+ causes many problems, but have yet to hear an objective reason as to why it exists. I've heard many self-serving, whiny reasons, however. There is no OBJECTIVE way to rate individual players, that should not be on the table. At the top level, skimming off succesful teams into their own division (plus) is unnecessary with the equalizer rules.

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55M+
, Aug. 9, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: SCSSA Tournament in Temecula / Results

Marv - while Mike evidenced his agrarian roots as a groundskeeper, you forgot to mention that Mango the Magnificent also lent a hand with the rake, as a former high school baseball coach he is well schooled in the raking arts. In fact, I have a picture of he and Mike on the job to prove it.

Great job on the tournament, well run event in a great facility. Teams should make a point of participating in your events to fill out their schedules.

Don Newhard
Nighthawks



, July 19, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How do the other major teams feel about major and major plus in western national

Is it just me, or is this board like the movie Ground Hogs Day with Bill Murray. Same topics, over and over. Here are my thoughts, again.
1) Get rid of the subjective, useless Major Plus Designation. This discussion then wouldn't be throwing around labels and sorrowful tales of injustice, we would only be discussing that some teams at the higher skill levels are really good. Like that is a bad thing. Three levels, MAX. Combine Major and Major Plus, end the welfare state, whining, and stimulus package runs!!! With 5-run innings and an HR cap, a wide range of teams can stay in touch with each other and then let-em rip for the open inning. I'm with ya, Udaplaya!

2) If you really believe the Major Plus designation is necessary, please complete the following sentence - "Major Plus must be in place becasue . . . . If you actually complete that sentence, put on your competitive game face, then look yourself in the eye in the mirror.

3)I've been on both sides of this debate over the past 5 years. 2 years up and down between 50 M+ & M, and 3 most recent years in 55 M+ One constant I've experienced is that the current equalizers of 5 runs and a cap on homers work. There is no need to separate teams between Major and Major plus. What separates teams at the end is good performance at the right time, not some sorry subjective label with a + sign on the end.

4) Sorry, but there is no objective way to designate players and relegate them to levels. Any attempt to do so is insulting to the rest of the players on a good team, and only serves to dilute competition and quarantine top players for good performance. Labeling and segragating whole teams is not right, either. And why, exactly, does someone playing nationally competitive tournament softball want to do that. Huh, can't hear you!!

5)Why is it taken as gospel that good, successful teams MUST move up (read out of the way)?? Coming through the ASA 45's (late 90's-early 00's) a team from Pittsburgh called Maorodi's/Mifflin won 5 straight titles, but every year an equal amount of teams (20-30)showed up at the ASA 45 World believing they could knock them off. Oh yeah, only one level of competition in ASA Masters.

Simply stated, let's minus the plus sign, and get back to competing. Those teams that choose to stay home won't be able to blame a meaningless label. Finally, in MLB/NL Central, one might label the Cardinals and Cubs as Major Plus due to their resources. At this writing,however,the Pittsburgh Pirates are in first!

JMHO

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55M+
, July 13, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Blowing up the middle in Senior Softball - are screens next???

Also - I really like the thought of increasing the height limit. Just played in a local tournament which allowed 16 foot arc. Not as easy to tee off on a pitch when you have to concentrate harder on your timing. I've always said "High rhymes with Cry". Telling pitchers they are only allowed to throw cookie height is like telling a baseball pitcher they can only throw 70mph or less.
I've played against two posters on this post, Stick 8 and Einstein. They are both great hitters that would still be great hitters with higher arc. Maybe restricted arc is the biggest bastardization of all. Baseball lowered the mound and survived. I think our game would survive with a rule change favoring the pitcher.
, July 13, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Blowing up the middle in Senior Softball - are screens next???

CSinc, you hit the nail on the head. Protective equipment prevents injuries. Southernson - great points, but one question also directed to Gary 19. How does the use of protective equipment bastardize the game? I agree that the screen in the field does, but an individual choosing to use legal equipment that gives him no advantage should not be a concern of anyone else on the field.

As for the ball, in a recent tournament at Camp Pendleton, a less than lively ball was in use, I don't know if it was a .52 core, but it was no Trump Stote 44/375. All senior bats were allowed. A pitcher took a shot to the gut and ended up having emergency surgery to remove his spleen and possibly part of his appendix. My point is that skilled senior players, with restrictive equipment like single wall bats and league-type balls, can still hit any ball hard enough to hurt pitchers or infielders.

Base coaches in professional base ball now wear batting helmets because a minor league coach was killed by a line drive to the head a few years ago. Is that bastardization of baseball? When the game began catchers didn't even wear masks. As a 30+ year safety/HR professional, I've learned the best prevention to injuries is to engineer out the risk. In this case, the risk engineering is best found in personal protective equipment. WHO FRIGGIN' CARES IF THE PITCHER LOOKS LIKE A HOCKEY GOALIE!! At least you'll be having a beer with him after the game instead of visiting him in the hospital.

My vote, leave the ball alone, encourage your pitchers to armor up and quit bitching about balls legally hit to the middle of the field.
again JMHO
Don Newhard


, July 13, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Blowing up the middle in Senior Softball - are screens next???

My two cents, especially since I've been pitching lately.
Hitting the ball where it is pitched to the center of the field is part of the game, period. That is not going after a pitcher, or "blowing up the middle". No need to apologize or explain. Pitchers are partially responsible for where balls are hit and should not expect batters to take bad swings at purposely placed pitches as a courtesy. Even the best hitters will miss slightly, resulting in a ball going close to a pitcher. Especially against pitchers whose ball is moving or on windy days. Finally, what sane hitter hits it directly at a player wearing a glove. When I hit up the middle, I want it 10 feet high gapping the two center outfielders, not right at a guy with a glove happy to hand me a 1-3 or 1UA in the scorebook.

CaCman is right on on how to prepare for balls hit in the middle, Gary 19 has made these same points many time.
Wearing protective equipment is the only practical way to prevent injury if you are pitching, it is currently a choice and does not give any advantage to the pitcher or disadvantage to the batter, it is simply common sense. It should remain a choice, however, not a mandate. Screens provide a false sense of security and dilute the game.

Like another commenter, when I was 30 I would invite people to hit up the middle, not now with these 58 year-old reflexes and eyes. A crappy DeBeer 212, hit square by a single wall bat can do plenty of damage, so lesser performing balls and bats do not guarantee safety or protection.

As a manager of a 55 M+ team, I take responsibility for how my team acts, including intentionally going after a pitcher. If I think that is happening, my player can just head for the parking lot. I will not tolerate "middle's open" comments or other inflammatory code words out of my dugout. That's not how we play. Self-policing sportsmanship can go along way towards keeping the game civil.

JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+

, May 15, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: A little put together Round Robin

It was indeed a good day of softball for everyone involved. None of it was possible, however, without the gracious assistance of Dan Haveron of the Top Gun organization. Besides arranging for the fields, he did an excellent job umpiring. We were fortunate to get a local tune-up for Reno.

The Nighthawks and Sommerville Softball are also very fortunate to have a committed, generous sponsor in David Sommerville. Everyone on this board knows how difficult it is to find someone who loves our game enough to contribute financially to an old farts hobby with little tangible return from their investment. Summy not only understands and loves the game,but a few short years ago hit .800 with 10 HR's at the SSUSA 50 Major World in Mobile. Thanks again Summy!!

Double Play 55's is a very tough opponent with a bunch of talented, classy players. Sorry they won't be in Reno, but their current challenge points out how difficult it is to get enough players committed to big events at the M+ level. I know Paul/Anna and the DP gang will be a force at events later in the year. And I'll say it for him, more than one of the bombs and lasers yesterday was hit by the newest DP'er, Softball 4B. Mike, you passed the audition!!

Finally, I encourage all the powers that be in Southern California Senior Softball to work together like last year to continue the goal of providing choices to play locally that don't conflict with each other. There is room and need for what all of you offer, but not on the same weekend. JMHO

Don Newhard
Manager
Nighthawks 55M+
, March 1, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: TOP GUN A TOP SHELF MESS

Hey E, how much did you guys get so I know how much these T-shirts are worth! LOL. Agree that a partial refund was in order. We got three games in on Friday, so I guess 2/5ths credit would be fair. @fx - for the recored the fields were unplayable on Sunday even though the weather was beautiful. The composition of the infield did not allow for absorption and drainage. Better to err on the side of safety.
, Feb. 28, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: TOP GUN A TOP SHELF MESS

It should be pointed out that Rick Seifman, tournament director, did everything he could to deal with the situation in a classy professional manner. He was available, communicative, and tried every contingency he could. We were fortunate to get in 3 games Friday, because Rick adjusted the schedule anticipating weather issues. We were disappointed to not get the whole thing in, but what can you do? It's real easy to 2nd guess, but if you were there as I was, what exactly would any of you done differently? Cancel? In So CA it was just as likely that the storm passed through without impacting the event. If cancelled, then what? Reschedule? Marv knows how difficult it is to get fields. I recall the first So Cal SSA event last year. You went as long as you could as well, but the weather was even worse. I had to eat a hotel room then, but why would I bitch at your association. Stuff happens!! Don't schedule at this time of year? Sunday it was clear and beautiful. Truth be told, the Poway fields might have been playable Sunday if they were better constructed for drainage in the infields.
JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks
, Feb. 23, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: A ?

The biggest problem with the BLD's we've played at is that they treat senior tournaments like nuisances, not good customers. We played at a Top Gun event in 2010 at the Palm Springs BLD. Their local leagues took precedence over the tournament, which caused 8-hour gaps between games. We were forced to play shorter games and go with 1-1 counts in the middle of the event.

Again, we are fortunate in SO Cal to have SOCALSSA (Marv & Donnie), Top Gun, and SSUSA putting on good events all year long. I'd rather play as many events a possible than contribute to the "gripe chorus" about every little thing. One day, we will no longer have the option to play!
See you on the fields;
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55's
, Feb. 21, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: A ?

We are fortunate in Southern CA to have two quality options for tournaments between SoCAlSSA and SSUSA. I could care less that the Top Gun event is ring option. What I care about is that my team will be able to compete against 3 other quality teams in our own age bracket. Between the two organizations there will be a quality event on good fields at least once a month ALL YEAR LONG. It is also interesting to note that a 50's team is coming from New York to play in the Top Gun event. I applaud any team that chooses to compete rather than nitpick the tournament offerings to death. To Marv's point, it takes a lot of work and commitment to get a tournament schedule together. We should be supporting those groups that are getting it done. Jawood - get your competitive Northwest brethren down to So CA, same with Colorado and AZ teams. Coyotes from Utah make it down at least once per year. You won't be disappointed. Rings, schmings, just chose the "play ball" option.

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55's
, Jan. 3, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What was the greatest moment in your softball career?

Dang it Mike (Softball4B), next time I remind you of the Springfield, MO, ASA 40 World story take notes to get all the details right! LOL Right location, event and game (win put us in the undefeated game), but wrong year (1996) and score (it was tied)!! It was a tremendous, dramatic shot though, left the entire park boundaries as described. Your post-swing grunt is still echoing off the Dixie Cup factory building. hahaha For bonus points, how did the score get tied???
, Dec. 20, 2010
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Then There Were 14!

There still is and always has been an alternative to the Major Plus dilemma. Quit the incessant whining about Major Plus teams and ratings and show up and play. Combine Major and Major Plus, 3 divisions are more than enough. If you are afraid of the competition, quit pretending to be a nationally competitive tournament team and stay home in the comfort of your local league. If you need rings so badly, get on the Josten's web site and order all the rings you can afford. But quit trying to dilute the competition. Between home run rules, runs per inning rules, and "stimulus package/government cheese" equalizer runs there is more than enough handicapping of higher level teams. What's next, making Major Plus teams hit from the opposite side of the plate??

And what exactly is a "major plus" player. Sure, upper level teams will have their share of exceptionally talented athletes, but which ones should be branded, excluded or banned? The only answer ever offered to this question is somebody's subjective and likely biased opininon. Instead of obsessing that some player is TOO good to compete against, challenge yourself to take on the best available competition. Which one of you picked the SF Giants to win the World Series? They didn't beg to be moved down, or whine, they just showed up and performed.

Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to all, hope to see you all on the fields next year.
JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
, Nov. 8, 2010
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Top Major Plus 55 - 60 Team in 2011

Joe, Mike & Foothills:
Thanks for the props for Bill. We feel the same way about him. I recruited him 4 years ago because I got tired of hitting against him. Thank goodness I re-signed him for next year before this thread hit, I may have to raise the signing bonus though. lol In Phoenix, he held every team we played to below their scoring average in their other games. No question that makes a huge difference. He was definitely our MVP in that event.

Hey Mike - did you sign with DP 55's for next year????

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
, Nov. 7, 2010
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Combining Divisions

Andy - nice to see your new found concern for Major Plus teams! lol Having been there for the past two years I can assure you it's not the end of the world. I would glady accept a 7, then 1-up in exchange for ever having a home run count as an out.
Jawood - having 1-up start immediately is overly restrictive. Maybe even 5, then 1-up. Declaring home runs as outs does not solve any actual problem with the game. Having a limit, however, is useful as a balance. BTW - I'm not aware that any of the 11 55 M+ teams in Phoenix ran out of homeruns. My team averaged 3.1 per game. The 325' fences had a lot to do with that.

Cheers;
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
, Nov. 7, 2010
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Question 4 Major Plus teams??

While I've always advocated 3 divisions and agree with Jawood on the challenges of being Major Plus, there are alternatives ways to react to being branded as a Major Plus team. Having played 8 seasons of senior SB at the 50/55 M & M+ level I've seen all sizes, shapes and some pretty amazing skill levels of senior athletes. Unfortunately for me, I still lack the psychic ability that some possses to accurately differentiate major and major plus players or teams . Mind you, we've competed against some exceptionally talented players, but even the superstar HOF dude only gets 4-5 swings per game.

This year my team played 13 tournaments as 55M+, 8 of which were SSUSA events, the rest either LVSSA or SCSSA. I'll bet we gave up more "stimulus package, government cheese" runs this year than any other team in any division or any age because of mixed draws. Players who likely decry the evils of socialism in other forums gladly scooped up their "entitlements" because someone declared that we were too strong for the competition. Whatever! Why earlier this year we had to give EIGHT runs AND 11 players to a certain 60 Major Team. Our team was formed 2 years ago from a 50 M team that finished 9th in the '08 SSUSA worlds and a 55 M team that finished an equally imposing 9th in the same event. In 2009 we were immediately branded Major Plus. (Unfair?? Don't Care!!) Because more than anything we love to play ball, we chose to roll with it and leave the moaning and teeth gnashing to others. We won some, we lost some, but we've played 70-80 tourney games each year against some very good 50's, 55's,60's teams in the M&M+ divisions. We likely missed out on a few T-shirts and plastic trinkets, but that's not why we play. Giving runs on a regular basis sometimes got a little old, but it definitely prepared us for the tight games we've played in the big events against our own division.

As for the demise of M+, I can only speak from our experience this year in 55 M+. There were 6 teams in Reno, 8 in LVSSA, and 11 in Phoenix. More than worth our while to attend those events.

The Cliff Notes version of the above long windage is this: You can just accept the structure of senior softball, show up, play the game you loved as a kid, enjoy the comraderie and friendships that are kindled and edure and maybe even get hot and win a big event OR ... well these pages are filled with the other type of response.
If MLB had Major Plus the Phillies and Yankees could have just played in early October . . . but instead we got to witness a team run the table that almost didn't make the playoffs. I prefer the latter scenario.

Thanks to each and every team and each player we met this year on the fields. Hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. Hope to see you all next year, in good health. At the end of the day, we are all old farts in this bus, and damn lucky to still be able to lace 'em up. Fuggeddabout the labels and JUST PLAY BALL!

JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+

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