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Ronnie Ratliffe

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SOUTHPORT, NC

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Men's 70

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June 26, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner going to 2nd on ground ball over the middle with fielder racing to 2nd, both converge and collision ensues - who's at fault?

8.6 • WHEN SLIDING IS OPTIONAL - AVOIDING COLLISIONS
Sliding or diving into first base or the scoring line or scoring plate is permitted only to avoid a collision with a defensive player. This is an umpire’s judgment call and is not subject to protest or appeal. A player may slide or dive into second or third bases, or when returning to any base. A runner must make every effort to avoid colliding with opposing players while running the bases or sliding or diving. If in the umpire's judgment a runner misses a base to avoid a collision, the runner will not be called out. If in the umpire’s judgment the runner fails to avoid a collision with a defensive player involved in the play, the ball will be declared dead and that runner called out. All base runners except the batter will be returned to their previous base unless forced to advance. If in the umpire’s judgment the runner's collision with the defensive player involved in the play negates a double play, the umpire may award a second out.
June 8, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is the middle open rule 6.18?

Big P - the entire field is playable from foul line to foul line, the middle of the infield can be defended by both the pitcher and the middle fielder. The rule is in place in the event that “in the umpires judgment” based on circumstances he sees, hears, observes during the game that are an intent to hit or hurt the pitcher he has the authority to act accordingly, otherwise, it’s play on, hit it hard, field it cleanly and whomever scores the most runs wins the game.
June 4, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What constitutes scoring at home plate

Nvjimmymac - Refer to 5.7.A along with ALL of 8.9 and you will have everything you need to answer your question. If there is a second "scoring plate" IT MUST BE TOUCHED. If there is a scoring line, either touching or touching ground past the line will result in a safe call prior to the defense making a play on the pitching/standard home plate.
June 3, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: Looking for 65 up team near Charlotte NC

I'm on a 70 AAA team mostly made up of players from Wilmington and Fayetteville, couple from VA. Several of my good friends that play in our weekly league play on a 65 AA team and i will gladly get them in touch with you, reply with phone or email. I played out of Anson County back in the day, we may have played in some tournaments at same time, 71 now and always played short stop when young guy. You'll probably get grabbed up by Mecklenburg area team(s) but Either way, good luck, RR
June 1, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Verbal Obstruction or Interference

Scott - i agree with your statement, with two outs, batter should be off at the crack of the bat. you state the runner somehow forced a call to be made? dont understand that comment. the reality is, ball is hit, runners are running, and THE INSTANT that "foul ball" is called out loudly from the home plate area, this verbal order/instruction/ruling, call it what you like affects everything from that point forward. Most runners would pull up or at least slow down thus their progress has been obstructed by the defense calling out "foul ball" Umpire then rules on where runners would end up, based on his best judgment, of runners, fielders, ball position and directs the end result of the play. he would then admonish the catcher and explain to both catcher and manager the error and note that further rule infringements could result in removal from the game.


May 28, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Verbal Obstruction or Interference

Scott - BJ and Guppy have clearly defined proper call and procedure. Both 1.45 Interference and 1.48 Obstruction definitions make no differentiation between physical or verbal act that impedes the opponent by definition.
May 28, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: 3rd baseline

SSUSA SENIOR SOFTBALL DIAMOND
Infield Layout, Base Dimensions, Pitching Distance,
Running Lines, Commitment Line, Coaches Boxes PAGE 83

SENIOR SOFTBALL DIAMOND
Batter’s Boxes, Catcher’s Box, Scoring Line/Plate PAGE 84

both the commit line and the scoring lines are to be marked(chalked) with 6' total length, the scoring line is positioned with the line 9'5" from the front left corner of home plate.

the scoring line cannot possibly intersect with any portion of the right hand batters box

there are also no provisions for a "base line or base path" to be drawn from 3rd base to the scoring line - see required and optional chalk lines page 83

simplification without any added lines should assist the umpires and players alike


May 22, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: out or safe

SSUSA Definition 1.10 Catch

You are correct, play must be completed.
May 4, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the Call?

Diesel - BJ has your answer except substitute "after first touch of the pop up" not before. And a good umpire does exactly what BJ has described, he surveys the field to make sure all active play has stopped before he calls for time out.
May 2, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Bats
Discussion: LS TPS Bats

S - can't help with the older bats but if you still have them you could certainly try them out. I think, and most senior players will agree (I'm 71) that the current senior bats will out-perform other possibilities. I use an Adidas Melee 2 (red barrel) end load in 27.5 oz and is best bat i have ever used. Next to this bat, my second choice is a Suncoast Adidas Diamond in 27 oz, both are 2 piece bats with end load, which suit my swing. Both of these bats are available in a balanced swing weight if that is your preference.

i see in your signature you are 60 or close, pick up the bats the other guys are using and find one that you really like. Check eBay and Facebook Marketplace for a good deal and/or ask the other guys that you'll be playing with what they think or maybe they have a couple bats they aren't using that will suit your swing.

Glad to see you returning to the game and joining this forum, you will get a lot of support. Lot of good guys contribute to the content on this website and SSUSA are always on top of the game. Good Luck, RR


April 28, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

Nice to be able to agree with DD, BJ you’re not reading the original post correctly, 2 base award puts the runner on 3rd base.
April 7, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Home Run Rule

BJ - i referred to 8.4(7) also with emphasis on how the SSUSA Rule is written, "the batter MAY......" but since he didn't, he must comply with the other rules that i listed as he is running the bases. And as an umpire, if he is running the bases, you can't simply stop all play and enact all the stuff you have in your second paragraph. As an umpire your position is to provide a fair and equitable playing scenario for both teams, make good judgment calls, enforce the written rules, not dream up some scenario that makes you lord and king of the land and make up stuff as you go, as you have in your second paragraph. An umpire doesn't replace rules with his opinion.

As to your listed rule 5.10(3) this refers to teams hustling on and off the field and even if it were applicable, you don't mention warning the manager??? sad that you also interpret or apply this rule incorrectly also

SSUSA Rules 5.7, 8.1, 8.4(7) and 8.9(2) are in the rule book for a reason
April 6, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Home Run Rule

BJ - Apply SSUSA Rules 5.7, 8.1, 8.4(7) and 8.9(2) equally to the above scenario and see if you might have a different ruling in your second paragraph.

As your first sentence clearly says all runners MAY choose to not run out any home runs (as listed in 8.4(7). Commonly referred to as "hit and sit" BUT if the home run hitter (and any other base runners ahead of him) choose to run the bases they are compelled to comply with the other rules that i have listed above.

Yes, it might be stupid or even arrogant for the hitter/runner to run the bases but if in doing so he violates the other rules he would be declared out and the run would not score.

Believe it or not, i saw this happen last week in a Sr league game that uses SSUSA rule book as the basis for their league play and the umpire called him out for stepping on the home/strike plate and not the scoring plate.

Senior players do a lot of unusual things on the playing field i'm sure we would both agree.
April 2, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

DD - Then please answer this question, Who takes the position as the runner at second base in my scenario? And include your reasoning if "ANY" SSUSA rule is circumvented.

And also provide the appeal and protest process that the defensive team might have at their disposal if YOUR interpretation of SSUSA Rule 5.4(2) usurps any previously adhered to rule by inserting an ineligible player.

I think that i have the RULEBOOK to support my position. Conversely, i feel as if you and others have used too literal an interpretation, using a player (by name) and not "as you have previously referenced,"BATTING ORDER POSITION", and have not the rulebook to support your position but in stubbornness will usurp other rules to try to justify your position.

Your attempt at humor doesn't help your position, makes you seem to take a position that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Support your position with factual reference and you'll be a bit more believable.

April 2, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

BJ & DD pardon - one correction above - same result
Joe replaced by Sam
Joe re-entry - Sam is done
Joe replaced by Bill - Joe is done, i inadvertently above said that Bill replaced Sam
April 2, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

BJ and DD - in your last two posts you have questions about the clarity and intent of the rule as you interpret it, or so it appears.

Returning to my 3/31/2022 post where i referenced DD's 3/28/2022 emphasis
"BATTING ORDER POSITION" see below, once again, where the Rulebook shows what to do via written rules when you reach the point of extra innings and the use of SSUSA Rule 5.4(2) International Tie-Breaker Rule

Joe is original 2nd baseman batting 3rd in line-up, he is replaced by Sam in the 4th inning, he is re-inserted into the line-up in the 6th inning. He is again replaced in the line-up by Bill after making the last out in the top of the 7th inning.

Home team ties the game in bottom of the 7th inning. Per SSUSA rules (all of the rules) Joe cannot play in the game further as he has been substituted for and re-entered and now he is through. Sam cannot come into the game either as he was a substitute but has been properly replaced by Bill.

Bill is the runner that takes position at 2nd base in the top of the 8th inning. There is no question when the rules are applied correctly.

Hope you two agree with this application of the entire rulebook. RR

April 2, 2022
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: website

i access the website either on my iPad, which is instantaneous just like Dbax and also on a Dell laptop.

Apple products are inherently faster, the windows based computer is a bit slower.

suggest that you save the website address into your favorites and ease of access especially if you don't have other browser windows open should be faster

https://www.seniorsoftball.com

April 1, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

Thanks Dave, I’ll send in a couple of recommendations/proposals for their consideration when they next meet.

Can’t speak enough about the professionalism exhibited by you and your cohorts. Makes visiting this site an enjoyable experience that I’m sure is shared by many. Thanks, RR
April 1, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

DD, DirkPitt, BJ Would we all agree that the SSUSA Rule 5.4(2) International Tie-Breaker Rule is in place to provide a means to consistently start an extra inning with a runner on second base that is the player that made the last out for the team coming to bat. First batter in the extra inning, as is usual, is the next batter in the line-up after the batter making the last out in the last inning.

This rule gives structure and does not allow a manager to "select" a player, possibly his fastest (?) or smartest (?) baserunner to enhance his chances of scoring a run. I'm in agreement with all of the reasoning for the ITB rule.

Below is the rule in place for ASA/USA play.

SECTION 11 - TIE-BREAKER RULE
(Men’s 40-Over, Men's Masters 50-Over & Seniors, Women’s & Junior Olympic Girls Fast Pitch, Men's Senior Slow Pitch) When after the completion of seven innings of play (or time has expired in J.O. play), the score is tied, the following Tie-Breaker Rule will be played to determine a winning team.
A. Starting with the top of the eighth inning, and each half inning thereafter, the offensive team shall begin its turn at bat with the player who is scheduled to bat last in that respective half inning being placed on second base (e.g., if the number five batter is the lead off batter, the number four batter in the batting order will be placed on second base. A substitute may be inserted for the runner).
B. If a team is in the tie-breaker and the Short Handed Rule is in effect, do not declare an out if the absent player is the one who should begin the half inning at second base. Instead, place on second base the player whose name precedes the absent player’s name in the line-up.

This rule has the same intent, written differently, to provide a constant starting point for extra inning play. they have added an extra sentence or caveat (in my opinion) as the last sentence under (A) "A substitute may be inserted for the runner) which i would not agree with, i'm pretty sure you three along with many others would join me in this disagreement because this would then allow the manager to "insert" by substitution, his fastest or smartest baserunner available on his bench.

I have already shown an instance in earlier post where a proper substitute already in the game should (in my opinion and interpretation of the intent of the ITB rule) be the runner positioned at second base.

We disagree that is clear, but i believe that the intent is as i have stated above, not to literally say the player (by name) and not the player in the batting position that has been correctly substituted by rule, should now be "inserted" into the game although he is no longer in the game.

At the very least, the rule as written by SSUSA Rulemakers could (?) be written better, or should (?) be written better.

Lastly, rules for play should be independent of other rules in the same rule book, meaning, one rule further down in the listing of rules of play, should not "trump" a previously correctly followed rule. When there is conflict, the rules should be written so that one does not contradict the other.

DD - you have my email address, if you have an opportunity, please send to me those individuals that write/review/amend the rules of play for SSUSA so i might contact them via email with some concerns, with possible alternatives for easier interpretation of the written rules currently in place.

thanks to each of you for listing to this long response. Turning2





March 31, 2022
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

DD - i contend that you and others take too literal of an interpretation of the ITB rule as USA/ASA and other leagues have same requirement for the extra inning, next batter after last out of previous inning of course is up to bat, last out which is now last batter in the rotation takes the position at second base.

all i ask is that you answer/address the scenario below.

Top of 7th inning and visitors take two run lead or tie game, score really is irrelevant as long as the home team is required to bat. The 2nd baseman (Joe) made the last out for the visitors and he was hitting 3rd in the lineup. Good hitter, not so good fielder so their coach substitutes for him (Sam) goes in at 2nd base. Which is good as Joe's wife called and he immediately leaves for home.

Home team ties the score in bottom of the 7th and ITB is now in effect. The last out in the previous inning by the visitors was made by Joe, the original hitter in the #3 slot. He has been properly substituted for, and has been called home to help his wife with an emergency. Sam, properly substituted after top of 7th is the player that assumes the role as runner at 2nd base.

Cannot be anything different in the universe that we live in. If you continue to say that the ONLY person that can be placed as the runner at 2nd base to fulfill the ITB rule is Joe, please explain that to the manager of the team, their sponsor, and all the other players as Sam was substituted for Joe prior to the bottom half of the inning was played with absolutely nothing concerning the ITB a part of the manager making his CORRECT and LEGAL substitution.
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