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| Oct. 29, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call T2, why the argumentative tone in your posts? You stated that you would rule a forfeit in this situation. You stated you would rule as such based on your interpretation of the rule you cited. The rule says nothing about a forfeit. Based on that, what part of the rule are you interpreting to rule this game a forfeit? |
| Oct. 28, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call T2, why would you ask a manager if he or she complied with the requirements of rule 4.2 A & B? That makes no sense to me. And under what rationale would you grant a forfeit in the situation I presented when the rule you cite says nothing about a forfeit? Expanding upon the situations that Donna posted I had one similar about 6 years ago. A player was late, arrived in the 2nd inning. After a couple batters he was put in as a courtesy runner. Two innings later the scorekeeper from the other team came up to me between innings and casually told me that runner was not listed on the scorecard. How would you rule on that? |
| Oct. 27, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call T2, I can understand how a team would want a forfeit in the stated situation. But I will tell you being an eyewitness to all this the field director did call Sacremanto and as far as I could tell got the final ruling from them. Now who the director specifically talked to and on what basis or how they came up with the final ruling I couldn’t tell you. Since there is nothing in tne rule book that specifically covers this it might be a good idea to put something in next years rule book that addresses this situation. In the interim you might address your questions to the main office in Sacramento or contact one of tne UIC’s. I will say the umpire of this game did the right thing. He stopped tne clock, quickly calmed down the players who were jaw jacking each other and announced he was going to find out the proper rule for this. It’s not a shame to do that because umpires should always try get it right, even if you have to delay the game. This especially bodes true in a world tournament. |
| Oct. 26, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call Agreed about catching it rmp. How the opposing scorekeeper didn’t catch it earlier is beyond me. To answer your questions 1) the player was ejected from tne game. 2) since that player was not on the scorecard it was ruled he was a “ghost” or “phantom” player. A player that doesn’t exist on the scorecard. As Donna pointed out no sub is allowed and no out is granted every subsequent time that spot comes up. |
| Oct. 25, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call BJ and Donna, both excellent points. This was in 60 major and I was watching this because our team had the next game. After going over it and over it, trying It took nearly 45 minutes to figure it out! This was discovered several batters after the player in question batted so calling it out before the first pitch to the next batter was not an option. How the other team missed it for four innings is beyond me. Eventually they ruled the player in question was a ghost or phantom player. |
| Oct. 25, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call SSUSA world tournament game. Fourth inning. Team A has 10 players on the official scorecard. Team B discovers an 11th player who is not listed on the official scorecard but has been playing. Team B demands a forfeit but it is determined that the 11th player not listed on the official scorecard is on the official team roster. 1) because the player is on the roster there is no forfeit 2) any at bats by tne 11th player stand 3) the 11th player is ejected from tne game Team A has no subs to put in so does the spot in the order the 11th player batted in now an out every time it comes up? Can a team go from 11 to 10 without penalty? It’s my understanding if it’s an injury the spot is an out the first time it comes up then after that you skip over it. Does that apply in this situation? |
| Sept. 21, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: courtesy runner Since the manager announced the courtesy runner was running for the guy on second that courtesy runner can go to second and run for him. No penalty. In my opinion the umpire in your scenario was mistaken. |
| Sept. 13, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Avoiding a tag I’d have to see this play but the way you describe it—play on. You can only be called out of the basepath is if your avoiding a tag. |
| Sept. 5, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning? That is correct BJ. |
| Sept. 1, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning? MurrayW I believe your correct. In the scenario therei is nothing in the rules that would prohibit BJ from being courtesy runner in the following innings. But I’ll defer to BJ on this. He’s the go to guy for rules |
| Aug. 31, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning? MurrayW, as to how the rule is now, to answer the subject question: No. A player cannot be used as a courtesy runner twice (or more) in the same inning To answer the question as described in your scenario: Yes. If player A was previously used as a courtesy runner for player B, let’s say in the 4th inning, he can legally go in to the game as a substitute in the same inning for player C. I’ve been on teams that have done this several times. One time this actually happened. I’m using names on here for examples only: BJ, being the speedy runner he is, unfortunately was not a starter. In the 5th inning he was put in as a courtesy runner for grayhitter and ended up scoring. Later in the inning Dave Dowell was up and got a two out single. BJ went in for Dave running at first as a substitute. Dave is now out of the game. BJ scored on a double by stick. Tim was up next and flew out to end the inning. Our manager Duke then told the umpire that Dave was going back in as a re-entry for BJ. All legal according to that umpire, and a way to skirt around the CR rule. I’m not certain but I believe BJ cannot go back into the game as a sub. But can he still be a courtesy runner in the next inning? Correct me if I’m wrong. |
| Aug. 19, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base? Continued— Then after the play is over then I would award bases on what I felt the runner would have obtained. |
| Aug. 19, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base? BJ, that might be true. The way I learned it was if an umpire sees interference by the offense it’s called right away and it’s a dead ball. If it’s obstruction by the defense I use the delayed dead ball signal and let the play play itself out. |
| Aug. 19, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base? Jgoff5113, to answer the questions in your scenario: 1) Yes, it’s a judgement call 2) Yes, if interference is called the ball is dead, the runner at second who committed the interference is out and all runners return to the base they started at unless forced up. The runner at third returns back to third, runner at first goes to second, batter-runner goes to first. Bases are loaded with one out. |
| Aug. 12, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: You make the call Nancy, it was a combination of things that led up to him going off. 0-fer at the plate including a strike out, a couple errors at second & other calls he didn’t like. Of course it was all mine and my partners fault. Maybe he had too much Red Bull or drugs? |
| Aug. 10, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: You make the call Team A ties the game in the bottom of the 7th inning. After 3 outs the second baseman for team B is cussing out the umpire as he’s going to his dugout. Umpire tosses him. Top of the 8th inning, the batter for team B who was up when last out was made in the previous inning starts at second. That batter happened to be the player who just got tossed. A player who is ejected cannot return to the game for any reason so obviously he cannot start the inning at second.. SSUSA rule for this: Door #1) an out and no runner at second Door #2) an out and previous batter starts at second Door #3) no out and no runner at second Door #4) no out and previous batter starts at second I’m going with door #2. (this actually happened in a young man’s game I was umping last Saturday. By rule in this association teams are allowed to use a courtesy runner or a sub starting off the eighth inning. In this case a sub was put in) What say you? BJ, Nancy, Dave? Thank you in advance. |
| Aug. 1, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: ISA Senior World Series Columbus Indiana Titanhd, ours was the only one that mattered!! 😄 Some guys I played with and against in young man ball won the 50 major—Michigan Mafia/Showtime |
| July 29, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Calling Time out I had a play in a conference usssa tourney about 6 years ago. Two-man, I’m in the field. Man on first, 1 out. Batter hits a line drive up the middle caught by the middle infielder. Runner at first is off the bag. Middle infielder fakes a throw back to first and then flicks it to first base. The runner didn’t get back to first in time. I look at my partner because any throw back to first is the home plate umpires call. He turns and goes back behind the plate, didn’t make a call and didn’t point to me. OMG, the argument that ensued!!! After things settled my partner and I then get together after the defense asked for help. My partner stated he called time out after the fake throw. We call both managers over and explain it.The batting team was obviously good with it. The fielding team was not good with it and they let it be known in no uncertain terms—where I tossed both coaches. Classic case of an umpire calling time too soon. I cannot imagine any umpire anywhere who hasn’t done that. It happens but in this game the stakes were pretty high. |
| July 26, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Calling Time out Rightly or wrongly if the ump calls time the play is dead. |
| July 26, 2021 stick8 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Calling Time out According to your scenario there was a play at third so for the umpire to call time might tell me he or she didn’t look where that baserunner was.. I stress “might” because I didn’t see the play live, only going by your description. Sometimes it happens where time is called too early and in your scenario it sounds like it was. Umpires have to see how the play plays out before calling time. |
