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, Nov. 17, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

In the above the R! went to third
Sorry
, Nov. 17, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

Coop better look that on up cause you are wrong. The runner his assumed to have touched the bag once he passes it. If the 1st baseman or any player says he missed the base and the 1st baseman is standing on the base he would be declared out unless he had already returned to the base.

Think about it this way. If a runner is on 1st and the batter hits a single R1 misses 2nd base, no one except the umpire seen it, and the outfielder throws it to second and the 2nd baseman is standing on second nobody says anything the umpire does not call him out without an appeal. WHY because once a runner passes a bag he has assumed to have touched it unless there is an appeal. Same at first.


, Nov. 15, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: BATTERS BOX


Just found this on a baseball site, would assume it would be the same in softball.

See 8.4.1B -- if either foot is entirely out of the batter's box, then the batter is out if hit by a fair batted ball

, Nov. 15, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: BATTERS BOX

If t he foot that touches the ball and the ball and foot is outside the batters box he would be called out. The other foot has no bearing. NOW remember the foot and the ball both have to be in fair territory out side of the batters box.
, Nov. 14, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: BATTERS BOX

If any part of his body (usually the foot)touches the ball while the foot and ball is outside the batters box and over fair territory he would be called out. If the ball and batter is still in the batters box it would be a dead ball>foul ball call.
, Oct. 26, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rule clarification II

But still in limbo, because SSUSA does not say what to do about any outs recorded during the batting out of order only about advancement of runners.

I think SSUSA says if not covered in their rule book revert back to ASA?

Isn't that true ?
, Oct. 26, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rule clarification II

BUT

This is what I found on an ASA site

COMMONLY OCCURRING ASA SOFTBALL RULES AND POINTS OF EMPHASIS
BATTING OUT OF ORDER
If a batter bats out of order, this is an appeal play, which must be brought to the umpire's attention. If it is detected while the incorrect batter is at bat, the correct batter assumes the count and all plays made will stand. If it is detected after the incorrect batter has completed their turn at bat and before the next pitch (legal or illegal), the improper batter’s time at bat is negated, the batter who should have batted is out, any advance or score made because of the improper batter's advance is negated, runners not called out must return to the last base occupied at the time of the pitch, however runners put out on the play remain out. The next batter is the player whose name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat. If the error is discovered after the first pitch to the next batter, the turn at bat of the incorrect batter is legal, all runs scored and bases run are legal and the next batter shall be the one whose name follows that of the incorrect batter. No one is called out for failure to bat. No base runner shall be removed from a base to bat in his/her proper place. They merely miss their turn at bat with no penalty.


So who do we believe ? LOL

, Oct. 26, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rule clarification II

Retraction
I also found another rule that says all runners return to the base before the pitch and you would only get the batting out of order out
, Oct. 26, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rule clarification II

B.J.
Do you really think I am that smart LOL

I copied and pasted the rule from rule book.

Google batting out of turn after an out
, Oct. 26, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rule clarification II

Not as easy as you might think

Rule
If a batter bats out of order, this is an appeal play, which must be brought to the umpire's attention. If it is detected while the incorrect batter is at bat, the correct batter assumes the count and all plays made will stand. If it is detected after the incorrect batter has completed their turn at bat and before the next pitch (legal or illegal), the improper batter’s time at bat is negated, the batter who should have batted is out, any advance or score made because of the improper batter's advance is negated, runners not called out must return to the last base occupied at the time of the pitch, however runners put out on the play remain out. The next batter is the player whose name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat. If the error is discovered after the first pitch to the next batter, the turn at bat of the incorrect batter is legal, all runs scored and bases run are legal and the next batter shall be the one whose name follows that of the incorrect batter. No one is called out for failure to bat. No base runner shall be removed from a base to bat in his/her proper place. They merely miss their turn at bat with no penalty.


So in you play the runner at that scored would be put back at third and not count, The two outs that were made on the play are still credited and the batter that was suppose to bat is out. 3 outs no body scored the batter that did not bat misses his at bat that round and whoevers name that is listed after the batter that did not bat leads off the next inning

, Oct. 17, 2016
Garocket
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Speed up rules

Think what you want but the 1-1 count will give you at least 1 extra inning 90% of the time. You have to relize 1-2 minutes of time equates to an extra inning a lot of times

Example time runs out with 2 outs in bottom of 5th you play the open inning as the 6th. If you get that out before the two minutes is up you play the 6th inning and the 7th would be the open inning
, Oct. 15, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

The pitcher is not considered an infielder in this situation unless he touches the ball
, Oct. 11, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

9.1
X. When a fair ball strikes an umpire or base runner on fair ground before
passing or touching an infielder.

I also found this

, Oct. 11, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

Straight from the rule book SSUSA

9.2 • THE BALL IS IN PLAY
A. At the start of each half inning, when the pitcher has the ball in the pitching
position and the umpire has called "play ball".
B. When the infield fly rule is enforced.
C. When a thrown ball goes past a fielder and remains in playable territory.
D. When a fair ball strikes an umpire or base runner on fair ground after
passing or touching an infielder.


, Oct. 11, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

Stick I think you are right in USSSA but in ASA, NSA,ISA if the umpire is in front of a defensive person other than the pitcher and it hits him it is a dead ball umpire interference
, Oct. 11, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

Not sure about senior rules but all other rule book states that ball touching anything other than a defensive player is also like touching the ground. If it hits a base the pitching rubber or a fence or umpire it is the same as hitting the ground.
With that being said, it also states that any ball that touches an umpire and the ball has not passed all infielders except the pitcher it is a dead ball. If the pitcher touches the ball then it would stay alive.
Now in most associations there is that rule that states if the ball has passed and infielder and hits the umpire it is alive ball unless another defensive player has a chance to make a play on the ball.
, Aug. 18, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Associations
Discussion: Unfavorable weather conditons......

Our league for years played with a 4-3 count no extra foul, We had a 1 hour finish the inning if needed. Never got more than 5 innings in. Maybe 6 every now and then.

Went to a 1-1 count no extra foul and we almost always play 7 innings. May 1 or two games a year goes only 6 innings. I think the scores have went up a little as players are ready to hit and do not get themselves in a hole and have to swing at bad pitches.

With a 4-3 count most games was like 13-15 or 14-12. No games are like 18-19 or 21-24 and we play them in less than an hour.
, May 31, 2016
Garocket
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Pay to play a quality tournament

Just you I guess.
So each player has to pay $90.00 on Sunday or is that the team?
, March 15, 2016
Garocket
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Open inning ruling

Lots of tournaments in this area are going to round robin pools with either single elimination brackets are a 1 one winner take all between the top two teams from separate pools.

Seems to be the wave of the future. States and Nationals seems to be the only ones with true double elimination brackets.

This is young boy ball and I am sure if they had senior tournaments it would be the same.
, March 9, 2016
Garocket
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: How is this scored #2

This should clear all questions up:

a. First, identify the proper batter (the player who failed to bat in his spot in the lineup) and call that player out.

b. Next, you must nullify any action that resulted from the improper batter's at-bat. If the improper batter is on base, send him back to the dugout. If other runners advanced as a result of his at-bat, return those runners to the base they occupied when the improper batter advanced. However, if a runner advanced by stealing a base during the improper at-bat, that runner's steal stands.

c. Finally, call the next batter to the plate. The next proper batter is the batter whose spot in the lineup follows that of the proper batter who failed to bat in turn, whom you've just called out. Often, this is the improper batter that you've just sent back to the dugout. Note that if the batter now due up is in fact on base, then you simply pass over him and move to the next batter in the batting order.

Important: If the improper batter's at-bat results in his being put out, and if the defense then appeals the batting order infraction, that put-out is nullified. The defense gets the out from the batting out of order infraction, but they don't get that out and the improper batter's put-out. Taking it one step further, if the improper batter's at-bat results in a double-play, an appeal of the infraction nullifies both of those outs. In short, a defensive manager is wise to know this rule well, since sometimes it's best to just leave well enough alone. (We have more to say about this in a section below.)

Note: When penalites are applied for batting out of order, the player penalized is not the player who batted out of order, but rather the player who failed to bat in his proper spot in the lineup. In that sense, "batting out of order" is a misnomer; it is more accurate to say "failing to bat in the proper order."

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