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Discussion: Re-rating teams

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Sept. 2, 2013
4 posts
Re-rating teams
Why is it that this late in the season SSUSA feels that they should re-classify teams? the case in point is the California Energy 55 team.....they have played all year as a Major Plus team, and although I can sympathize with them not being as competitve as they would have liked, how is it fair that they now get dropeed down to 55 Major? there are rules in place for re-classification and doing it this late in the year is not part of that....besides that, there are no tournaments to observe California Energy against 55 Major teams to even see if the downgrade was necessary or team was FORCED to play 55 Major Plus for 2 years, not making it to Sunday play before we were allowed to drop down, but only during the re-classification fact we had to play another 55 Major Plus tourney after we added two new players for fear that we were then too powerful for Major...after seeing the players we added were not impact players we were dropped down......what has California Energy done to be allowed to now drop down and in theory become a favorite to win the World Chamionships? they should have to go thru the same re-classification process as the rest of us had to do, not get special is this fair to the rest of us 55 Major teams?
Sept. 2, 2013
1 posts
Gee sounds a little suspicious considering the same thing occurred in April when the Fan Grabbers asked and were re-classified from Major+ to Majors a week before the LVSSA/SSUSA Southwest Championships and just happened to win it all..hmmm hahaha
Sept. 2, 2013
Men's 65
4549 posts
I am not sure of the when this was 'done' as you say, but here are the guidelines as posted.

Maybe you can add more light.

How the Rating Process Works
Here is the SSUSA process for reviewing team ratings and appeals two times per year (ONLY in January and June):

We do an internal review of all teams based on all results of games played in SSUSA. The SSUSA database program flags teams that win or lose by an average of 5 (or more) runs per game.
We also independently review all teams that have filed appeals, and look at umpire recommendations on Game Cards for the teams and reports from Tournament Directors.
After that review is complete, we send a list of recommendations to our 12 key SSUSA Directors for their review and comment. When their comments comes back, we may modify the recommendations.
As soon as the decisions are made, the team ratings are changed electronically and managers are sent a letter (and/or an email) confirming the decision.
Terry Hennessy
Sept. 2, 2013
Men's 50
128 posts
If rating changes are in January and June , why was this rating change AUGUST 27TH. ? Everything here is in black and white on this website, we shouldn't have to be reading between the lines. need to be consistent with no favoritism.
Sept. 2, 2013
4 posts
As smooth01 just posted, this re-rating was done on August 27th, not January, not June.....and as Nutt15 posted about Fangrabbers, which was also done outside the guidelines established by SSUSA.....both of these teams should be forced to play by the same rules the rest of us is not a fair process to those teams that have played within the rules, taking our lumps for a season or two, but going thru the correct process.....if Fangrabbers and Calf Energy or any team for that matter do not want to play in the level they are slotted, then DON'T play...teams that are and have been playing at a level should not have to deal with a team dropped down after the appeal dates have passed....going to look real good if Fangrabbers and Calf Energy finish 1st & 2nd in 55 Major huh?
Sept. 2, 2013
Men's 65
839 posts
Scott, we all know what the rules state for the majority, but it is not necessarily applied to every team. I will continue to state my best example that occurred about 5-6 years ago, where a team that won the 55 Major World Championships in Phoenix the year before, was moved down from 55 Major Plus back to the 55 Major for the Phoenix Worlds again a week or 2 before the tournament the next year. They finished 6 or 7 in that tournament. After the tournament was completed, they were moved back to the Major Plus division. Where is that in the rules?

Ronkers, there could be many reasons for what has happened, but you cannot control ownership decisions. Happy that you brought out yet another instance of another possible illogical situation. It is not the first time, nor will it be the last. BTW, I do not follow all of the issues any longer, as it takes the fun out of playing and trying to follow the rules as stated. When the fun is gone, it is time to say good bye. I will say this about the Fangrabbers(that I do not follow), if they are in the 55 Major division now, it is odd that they have qualified for the TOC for this February in the 55 Major Plus division? Please correct me if I am wrong.

In any event, do not be too concerned, because if you should win a ring tournament, with the exception of the Vegas Worlds and the TOC, you win a ring that you have to purchase. Although I have and can afford to pay for a ring, I have many team members that refuse to purchase a ring for winning a tournament. BTW, the cost of those rings are quite inflated. Just check the cost of a High School ring, and you will know for yourself.


Andy Smith,
55/60 Major
Sept. 3, 2013
Men's 65
4549 posts
Duke, Oh yes, I agree with the statement. I too know of many that I haver posted in the past. Exceptions are made for what ever reason.
About the time frame 2 months later, perhaps George who i believe does them had a bad month of so with too much on his plate to get done timely.
If any of you are going to this years summit perhaps it would be prudent to show up and voice concerns about this and the mixing of ratings and ages. Something I believe is not good for the game as well.
I took that from the ratings at bottom of the link page.

Too many 'loopholes' are in the ratings. I know teams that play the odds on number if teams that will show up. Most go to same ones over and over. If planned right you can go and only play 2 or 3 other teams and not really worry about a move should you win. They won quite often that way, sometimes 5-6 'big' ones a year.
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