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| Sept. 29, 2006 Terry H 6 posts | Vote on Changing SSWC Format!!!!!!!! We need your opinion. After receiving many comments on the 4-day format of the Senior Softball World Championships, we decided to poll players on their preference. Currently, the SSWC format is six games; 4 Round Robin Seeding Games into a straight double elimination. Thsi format usually takes 4 days because of the large divisions. What do you think about a 5-game guarantee over three days? The format would be two seeding games into a three-game guarantee bracket (that means all teams would play three games in the bracket and would have to have at least two loses to be eliminated). Please respond on the message board. We will let you know the results on the board and in the November-December edition of Senior Softball News. Thanks Terry Hennessy |
| Sept. 29, 2006 rabbit Men's 70 319 posts | HI Terry, I like the three game seeding starting on Friday and playing all seeding games on SAME day, then into DE, starting on Saturdayif you play a 5 game gaurantee. and with a lower price , or better yet, just a 2 game seeding on Friday and then start DE on Saturday with a 4 game guarantee a LOT lower price. Rabbit, Indiana Classics 50 AAA |
| Sept. 29, 2006 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | I like the 4 game seeding round. With the travel cost and time to get to the tournament, we might as well maximize the playing time and number of games. Most of us only get a couple of chances a year to play teams from remote parts of the country. Why not make the most of it. |
| Sept. 29, 2006 Gary Heifner 248 posts | I have never seen a DE bracket set-up where 2 losses eliminates you, yet you are guaranteed 3 games. How does that work. I prefer 3 seeding games (5 game guarantee) on Friday followed by the DE on Saturday-Sunday. The 3 games allows you to play your subs in several of those games. Only a few of the teams play only two DE games. The teams that are gone in two DE games are usually the teams who get a terrible bracket draw or have had some key injuries in which case Miller Time looks pretty good and 5 total games are more than enough. Most will play 6 or more anyway. |
| Sept. 29, 2006 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | I too would like the 3 seeding games on Friday, with the DE begining on Saturday. |
| Sept. 30, 2006 armiho211 Men's 70 449 posts | terry, 3 seeding games on friday, 2 DE games on saturday, championship games sunday, thanks |
| Sept. 30, 2006 Enviro-Vac Men's 65 489 posts | I agree with Texas Trans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I like the 4 game seeding round. With the travel cost and time to get to the tournament, we might as well maximize the playing time and number of games. Most of us only get a couple of chances a year to play teams from remote parts of the country. Why not make the most of it." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave it the way it is. Jim Klassen, Manager Enviro-Vac - AAA |
| Sept. 30, 2006 Pudge Men's 65 47 posts | Would prefer 3 seeding games on friday, with DE games starting on Saturday. Mtn. Mikes Legends - 50 AAA |
| Sept. 30, 2006 TonyA Men's 75 20 posts | Hey Terry; My vote is for a 3 day tournament. 3 seeding games on Friday and DE starts Saturday. With travel cost and needing to take the extra day off from work has become a big issue with my team. Tony A. Palm Springs Heat 55 AAA |
| Sept. 30, 2006 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | I like 3 rr games on Friday, starting the de games on Sat. I also would like to see more games under the lights, at least for 50's and 55's. Bruce Fairchild Specialty Tank 50 & Allstate/Miken 55's |
| Sept. 30, 2006 turn2 489 posts | i like the 3 games on friday w/ de on sat and sun. i woild like to play any games at night, at least for the 55's/. thanks, donnie chavis turn two / rekco 55 major plus |
| Sept. 30, 2006 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | Terry, You should look at this by age group and classification. I can why a tem playing in a classification like 50 Major+ wouldn't want to take an extra day off to come play RR games with the same 3 or 4 teams they will see in the DE. On the other hand, teams playing in the older age groups aren't as concerned about time off (although, some, llike me still work) and have the opportunity to play teams they only see once a year. Then there are some of us who want to play as many games as possible, whenever possible. Maybe there isn't a one size fits all answer for this question. |
| Sept. 30, 2006 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | Terry, You should look at this by age group and classification. I can why a tem playing in a classification like 50 Major+ wouldn't want to take an extra day off to come play RR games with the same 3 or 4 teams they will see in the DE. On the other hand, teams playing in the older age groups aren't as concerned about time off (although, some, llike me still work) and have the opportunity to play teams they only see once a year. Then there are some of us who want to play as many games as possible, whenever possible. Maybe there isn't a one size fits all answer for this question. |
| Sept. 30, 2006 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Terry, I appreciate your putting this out to the masses. We prefer 3 days and 3 seeding games. As you know, we reduced our 4 seeding games to 3 before we arrived in Seattle as all of the teams in our division agreed to it. It seemed to me that none of us felt slighted at all. Maybe Texas Transplant has a good point though as it realtes to the older age groups. Thanks, Bob Woodroof, GSF |
| Oct. 1, 2006 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | Commenting on Donnie's suggestion about night play for the 55's, I think the 60 and higher age groups would prefer day play to night. I know my eyes aren't nearly as good after dark as they used to be and I just don't see the ball as well anymore at night. I saw a 70+ game in Plano a couple of years ago that was finished under the lights due to prior games running late. It seemed that every fly ball to the outfield was not caught because the guys could not pick them up! The last inning must have seen 10+ runs for each team. This is another area that should probably be looked at on an age basis. LL |
| Oct. 1, 2006 Lefty Men's 75 721 posts | I prefer 3 days and 3 seeding games and good balls. |
| Oct. 1, 2006 bogie Men's 65 448 posts | I don't mind an extra day for the worlds but would prefer the eastern nationals and midwest championships be Friday, Saturday and Sunday...with 3 games RR then the DE. Just the same teams basically here and no need to stretch it out the extra day. As a 50 age group, I still prefer limited nights if possible. Ken VB Roberts Construction |
| Oct. 2, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey Terry and the rest, Hey Bogie, too. Yes, 3 games beginning on Friday is a better. |
| Oct. 2, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | And Terry, when you get a chance we need a full and complete accounting as to what happened in Seattle regarding those 2 illegal and confiscated bats. |
| Oct. 2, 2006 OREO Men's 60 88 posts | NOT ALL 60'S FALL ONTO THE CATEGORY THAT ALLOWS PLAYING ANY TIME. SOME OF US STILL WORK & HAVE TO TAKE OF WORK FOR TOURNAMENTS STARTING ON THURS OR FRI. VOTE FOR 3RR ON FRIDAY & START WITH 2DE ON SATURDAY. NIGHT GAMES ARE OK, MAYBE THERE WOULD NOT BE AS MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT HEAT. |
| Oct. 2, 2006 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | You do have to admit that the 6 game guarantee is a good deal especially for the price compared to other national tournaments. 4 days is fine for nationals only, not reginonal nationals. If we have five games, I prefer 3 seeding games with double elimination over 4 seeding with single elimination. I prefer two days in all other tournaments if enough fields are available. Lansing could have been done in two days if some night games were played. So many three day tournaments this year made it tough for everybody on scheduling with minor things, like work. |
| Oct. 2, 2006 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | 3 seeding games. Then double elimination. |
| Oct. 3, 2006 RedEye Men's 65 96 posts | 3 Days............Please RR games on Friday with DE tourney starting Sat. 4 or 5 game gaurantee........... |
| Oct. 3, 2006 MikeC Men's 60 38 posts | Once the DE starts most teams cut back to 10-12 players with the 4 pool play games it gives you a chance to play everyone on your squad. So I am in favor of the 4 pool play games at Nationals or Worlds. At the smaller regional tournaments let's try and keep them to 2 days. Please nothing under the lights I agree with DoubleL10 my old eyes are BAD under the lights. |
| Oct. 3, 2006 sjuhoops 145 posts | no 4 days please. fri 2-3 games all games maj + if possible and start double on sat. no lights please thanks hank |
| Oct. 3, 2006 bashbro1 Men's 70 267 posts | For 60’s: 3 days of actual play only! o Leave for the tournament location venue on a Thursday; o Play 3 pool games on Friday to get kinks out, seeding requirements, playing of entire roster etc…; o Then begin a “Triple” elimination tournament first thing Saturday morning which may demand using your extras during the day instead of them sitting the remainder of games like in double elimination format. o Play most of the daylight hours but not into the dinner hour; make good use of idle field capacity during Saturday and Sunday. o TE tournament does require an extra loser bracket… but it’s not that complicated and ensures that it will take more games to win loser’s bracket than winner's bracket; o Do away with the “IF” game (e.g. College WS) on Sunday to get teams and players on earlier flights back home and makes the (1) Championship game winner take all more of a compelling game. Bashbro1 |
| Oct. 4, 2006 TotallyRec Men's 50 33 posts | My vote would be for three seeding games on Friday and double elimination games starting Saturday. Kevin Evans TOP GUN III 50+ |
| Oct. 4, 2006 JOHN BOB Men's 60 76 posts | I agree that 3 seeding games are all we need, but as far as playing the double eliminatin in 50-55 & maybe 60's aaa & aa for some world tournament's like sswc-spa or lvssa who have 15 to 30 team a 4th day would be needed.Also I have no problem with nite games as long as fields have VERY GOOD LIGHTING |
| Oct. 5, 2006 doubleplay10 14 posts | - 5 games guarantee. - 3 RR Friday - start late for 50/55. - Under lights ok only if GOOD and on EARLY. - Sat & Sun (2 days - not Friday) if not enough teams for a 3 day. - More discussion with team managers re championship round play or for finishing Sat vs. Sun. - If a team leaves tourn early, w/o notifying director of their expected absence for a Sun. game, there should be a penalty. - Please use better balls. |
| Oct. 5, 2006 LouieHawgs Men's 65 19 posts | Terry: 3 RR games on Friday, with DE on Sat & Sun. 4 0r 5 game guarantee and few, if any, night games. Please have infields maintained at least every other game to include some WATER! Louie LaRocca - Base Hawgs 50AAA |
| Oct. 5, 2006 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | Those Mid week tournaments are bad-bad-bad--Fri.Sat-Sun are good. Number of guarantee games is second-5 is ok 6 would be better- DE is better than SE. Louisville Iceman 65AAA Wes |
| Oct. 5, 2006 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | Terry: 5-game guarantee over three days would be perfect. Thanks Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports/Worth 50 Major Plus |
| Oct. 6, 2006 lectricman 8 posts | terry coming from the east coast we would much rather play 4 days like it has been in the past . why don't you have it on the east coast occsionally then maybe all your west coast teams would see the logic in this. also the national championshp game should be part of pool play and held on friday rather than thursday to give east coast teams chance to adjust to time change and not have to play 3 games on the day after they arrive |
| Oct. 9, 2006 QC Softball Men's 55 20 posts | Terry why don't you come up with two or three possible solutions and let anyone holding a Natinal SSUSA card vote on which one would work better. Give a deadline and if a member doesn't respond then they can't complain. |
| Oct. 14, 2006 Paul Smit Men's 55 16 posts | Terry I'm all for the 3 game seeding beginning on Friday and Double Elimination Play to start Saturday. P Smit Doubleplay Men's 50+ AAA |
| Oct. 14, 2006 GT Men's 60 162 posts | Just something to consider about having 3 RR games Friday, then DE. Unless your playing night games, some teams are going to be playing late Sunday. Meaning, you either fly out late Sunday night or Monday. If you depart Monday, your still there 4 nights. Might not affect everyone but will some teams. Flights to some cities might not be available late Sunday. Correct me if this thinking is wrong. Just a thought and just my two cents. GT Houston PS Hey Basbro, you been on vacation? PSS Night games are nice except we can't see at night anymore in 60's. Some might say I can't see in daytime. Hope something is worked out to the players benefit. |
| Oct. 14, 2006 KAL 2 posts | Terry, I would like to play only Friday, Saturday and Sunday. As a 50 Major+ team, we have people that can't take all this time off to play Thursday thru Sunday. In fact this year, as you are well aware, we finished Saturday night and I had to incur significantly more expense by changing our fligts from 8PM Sunday (since we assumed that we wold be playing into the late afternoon Sunday) to noon on Sunday. I would also like to find a solution to attracting more Major+ teams to national tournaments and I think cutting down on extra rooms for a night (times 16 to 18 players), an extra day for local transportation and eliminate the need to change flights that are booked months in advance would help. I also would like to see a venue (maybe your website) where Major+ teams could exchange their season schedules so that we can plan better for attending a national tournament. Thanks, Ken Lipinski SeaCrest Miken Mavericks |
| Oct. 16, 2006 DD Men's 75 92 posts | The World Championships offer the only 4-day tournament that I'm aware of, and thus is a very special event. My vote is to keep it a 4-day event and to explore ways to INCREASE the minimum number of games---giving teams a chance to play up to 8 games before facing the trip home. As a couple of others suggest, this is one of the few times we're given an opportunity to play teams from other parts of the country and I agree we should take advantage of that. When the expense of traveling is considered, doesn't it make sense to play MORE games rather than fewer? |
| Oct. 17, 2006 SlowLearner 19 posts | I would go with the 3 day format even though it would mean some teams would be eliminated on Sat. if the brackets have 12 or more teams other wise it would probably run late on Sun. I would suspect this would save SSWC money as well as the teams enter fees. Also, saves players on hotel costs, so I think that is the way to go. |
| Oct. 20, 2006 Bermuda Punch Men's 65 15 posts | It's obvious to me the 50, 55 and 60s prefer the 3-day tournament probably because in most cases they would only have to miss work one day since they usually play Friday, Saturday and Sunday. As a 65 soon to be 70 I would vote to play 4 days. Some of the reasons include at 65 and over recovery time is slower; usually hotel rates are lower (important because most are on fixed incomes); and the chances of playing under the lights is nil. Perhaps it would be best to have 65 and overs play 4-days and the 50, 55 and 60s 3-days. |
| Oct. 21, 2006 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | The way you you worded it, works for me. |
| Oct. 23, 2006 TOMAR77 Men's 65 333 posts | The concensus of our Team, git-r-done, is that the current format of the World Series remain "AS IS". The 6 games minimum, 4 days is what distinguishes and makes the Senior World Series special. For our team and the teams many of us played for in the past, our goal was always to try and attend the World's, which we considered the "Main Event". Why make the World Series the "SAME" as all the "REST"? Tommy De Rocher git - r - done |
| Oct. 23, 2006 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | DD & Tomar77 A point of clarification... there are currently two major organizations that offer 4 day events. They are SSWC & SSWS... not counting the Huntsman Games. This message board is sponsored by SSWC (Senior Softball World Championships) and its director, Terry Hennesey opened this discussion to see what the majority holds... be it 3 day or 4 day events. SSWS (Senior Softball World Series) is a totally separate association and is also known as NASCS. This point of distinction has been made so that people do not confuse them nor consider them to be one and the same. Regardless of what Terry Hennesey and SSWC decides on this issue, it is not likely to affect the SSWS events, which will still be 4 days. |
| Oct. 26, 2006 Diamond Fever 1 posts | We did not attend your World Championship this year, but did play in the two previous years. We like playing 3 or 4 preliminary games. This gives me a chance to give everyone more playing time. We like being able to play the West Coast teams that we do not see at most of the East Coast tournaments we play. We love your current format, but would not be unhappy with playing 3 prelim games on Friday and starting double elimination on Sat. We prefer not to play night games. Chet Young, Murphy's Law 55 Major |
