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| Aug. 25, 2014 tscs000 Men's 60 33 posts | 4 base error andrequired runner advancement Bases loaded and ball is hit to the fence and hits glove of outfielder and then goes over the fence and is declared a 4 base error. What's the rule for the base runners? Must all base runners run the bases or run to the next base? Umps said all runners must run out all bases. Two of the runners advanced 1 base and then entered the dugout. Those 2 runners were declared out. |
| Aug. 25, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | A "Four Base Award" [Rulebook §8.4(7) on page 45] is to be treated like an over-the-fence home run in all aspects except one: The four base award is NOT added to the team's over-the-fence home run count ... Accordingly, the "hit and sit" option afforded home run hitters, and any runners on base at the time, should have been employed here ... Our call would have been: four runs score, bases empty and bring the next batter to the plate if this was an open inning, or inning over if the 5-run limit was reached because of the play ... |
| Aug. 25, 2014 tscs000 Men's 60 33 posts | Thank you for the clarification. Something didn't seem right about the ruling that was employed. |
| Aug. 25, 2014 L 85 posts | What would happen if the ball does not go over the fence what I have heard is it is a 3 base award from when the ball was touched and from where the runner was at the time of contact is this correct. |
| Aug. 25, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | L ... Incorrect ... In your hypothetical, you have a live ball just like any other (unintentionally) dropped/misplayed ball in the outfield ... You may be referring to a situation where a defensive player throws his glove (or hat) at a fly ball in an attempt to knock it down in play, which does not appear to be the fact pattern in the original question ... |
| Aug. 25, 2014 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | First post is also referred to as an assisted HR. Thereby no 'count'towards a direct flight over the fence. If ball doesn't go over the fence its advance at your own risk... |
| Aug. 26, 2014 L 85 posts | I guess I should have said he throws his glove and hits the ball keeping it from going over the fence or the player throws his glove that is on the ground and hits the ball what do you have. I was told that you have a 3 base mockery of the game and the player was warned that the next time it was and ejection. |
| Aug. 26, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | L ... See Rulebook §8.4(10)C. (page 46) for this scenario ... "...The runners are entitled to three bases from the time of the pitch if a batted ball, or two bases from the time of the throw if a thrown ball, and in either case, they can advance farther at their own risk..." ... In the instance of the thrown glove hitting the ball that, in the umpire's judgment, would have cleared the fence for a home run, the umpire may make a four-base-award ... We have no mention in the rulebook about a 3-base mockery and the potential for an ejection the next time (although it's certainly not a bad idea!) ... |
| Aug. 26, 2014 B.J. 1105 posts | Staff...OP was confusing...I also thought the batted ball went off the fileders glove and over the fence...question...on a batted ball that in the judgement of the umpire would have been an over the fence home run and the fielder throws his glove up and knocks the ball down...wouldnt the award then be 4 bases? |
| Aug. 26, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | B.J. ... Yes ... Four-base-award if, in umpire's judgment, the ball would have gone over but for the fielder tossing his glove and hitting it ... |
