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| Sept. 5, 2014 Capt Kirk 541 posts | Vegas - Session 1 The ratio of Mens' 50's AAA teams (60) to Mens' 50's AA teams (7), that ratio does not compute. SSUSA needs a ratings committee that includes regional tournament directors and managers to rectify this. Capt Kirk |
| Sept. 5, 2014 JohnBob Men's 65 256 posts | I think it's that most AA team's don't travel a long distance. They just play in local tourney's. |
| Sept. 5, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | There is a 12-member Ratings Advisory Board that provides input to the National Ratings Committee for each rating cycle ... That Board is comprised of Managers and Tournament Directors from all regions of the country, including one from Texas ... The structure is already exactly as you proposed ... |
| Sept. 5, 2014 Jawood Men's 50 943 posts | I think JohnBob is spot on with his comment. The AA's are usually rec type teams that aren't looking at the "National" type tournaments. |
| Sept. 5, 2014 SeniorMan 37 posts | I know of several Hawaii AA teams that are at the Worlds to win. They are NOT recreational teams. Just wish there were a higher number of teams in the AA. Yeah, we realize that we start in AAA, the first time, then are usually dropped to AA because we didn't perform or win several games. Still the rating process doesn't seem to need fixing, in my opinion. |
| Sept. 5, 2014 gott2play Men's 60 212 posts | SeniorMan, The Hawaii teams are always represented well at the LVSSA/SSUSA World Championships for two reasons...1) they like to compete, and 2) they love to gamble even more. LoL. HJust sayin' IMO, AA teams for the most part started at AAA and were dropped down due to little or no success at the AAA level. It doesn't mean that they don't compete, they're just not well represented at a lot of Major tournies. Truth is, the AAA and Major levels are the most participated divisions. Tony Baltazar So Cal 55's - Major |
| Sept. 8, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | Capt Kirk: The real statistical anomaly this year is that three of the eight teams entered (37.5%) in the 50-AA Division are from Texas ... |
| Sept. 8, 2014 Cough 5 posts | Something needs to be done to jump start this division! Looks like the same teams that participated in 2012 & 2013. Only 1 new team this year (MN Lumberjacks), 2 teams moved up to AAA (All-In/Blue Chips & Hawaiians). The Las Vegas tournament participation rate (21%)is pretty similar to the rest of the 50's Men's division. |
| Sept. 8, 2014 Enviro-Vac Men's 65 489 posts | I agree Cough. I would not be surprised if there weren't more teams at AA or lower around then there are AA & above. Huntsman attracts many of these lower rated teams and it's probably got a lot to do with the numerous divisions they have below AA. Many teams also use Huntsman as a ball/vacation I think. Just an opinion. |
| Sept. 8, 2014 JBTexas Men's 70 434 posts | Remember guys all new teams start at AAA level and if you look at it most of these teams haven't played three tournaments to get re-rated yet. I look at this as a good sign that there are that many new 50 teams starting to play senior play rather as a negative. |
| Sept. 9, 2014 JT25 Men's 50 54 posts | I think the reason there are 62 50 AAA Teams and only 8 50 AA is because of the Homerun rule change. Only 1 for 50 AA then DBO. DBO is the worst rule in softball. It should be your limit 1,3,6,9 for the skill levels then 1 up and/or a single. We pay alot of money to attend these tournments and time away from work to have fun and to have a DBO for a great hit is...... LUDICROUS..... and using the the Rock balls which fly out of the park like crazy. |
| Sept. 9, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | JohnT ... Excess HR's for AA teams have always been DBO's, and for AAA teams have been DBO's for several years ... The most recent HR rule change just extended DBO's to Major and Major+ ... Interestingly, the 40-Masters Division has played absolute HR maximums with DBO's thereafter, without a single complaint, since the inception of the 40-Masters program around 15 years ago ... |
| Sept. 9, 2014 Capt Kirk 541 posts | Men's 50 AAA teams: 62 Men's 50 AA Teams: 8 Men's 65 AAA Teams: 23 Men's 65 AA Teams: 19 I am not convinced that AA rated team (ratings are based on factors that determined by a team's ability to compete) are rec teams, that is verified by the number of 65'a AA that are competing in Vegas. There is a 12-member Ratings Advisory Board that provides input to the National Ratings Committee for each rating cycle ... That Board is comprised of Managers and Tournament Directors from all regions of the country, including one from Texas ... The structure is already exactly as you proposed . I would suggest that all SSUSA reps within their region be allowed to vote when a team appeals their rating. Capt Kirk |
| Sept. 9, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | The advisors have significant input that often sways the close calls, but they do not (and likely will not) have a formal vote on the National Ratings Committee ... As for the current World Masters 2014 participation in the AA Divisions for ages 50+ through 65+, Texas has the MOST teams rated AA in three of those four divisions ... The exception is 65-AA, where California has the most ... We do NOT believe that AA rated teams are "rec. teams", and never have taken that position ... But we do find it curious that you appear to advocate us moving down otherwise qualified AAA teams so that the AA numbers would look better to you ... Doing so would not be in your best competitive interests as a AA team ... |
| Sept. 9, 2014 JT25 Men's 50 54 posts | I'm just saying the DBO for excess Homeruns is terrible rule it should go to 1 up after both teams has reached it's limit. Then a single if any excess homeruns during the 1 up rule comes into effect during the game. You can only score 5 runs per inning anyways except the 7th inning which is open. Like I said before alot of the players pay alot of money to attend these tournaments and take time off of work. We can swing all these senior bats with the ROCK ball and except us to keep the ball in the Park???....Sometimes you hit a real nice line drive and it still goes out of the park. Why should a ball player be afraid or feel bad of hitting a homerun???...Or have to change his natural swing. I would say alot of us seniors dream of hitting a homerun in worlds in the big league dream parks someday and if it goes for a DBO really sucks....thats not on my bucket list...LOL |
| Sept. 9, 2014 Mango Men's 50 159 posts | I agree with JT25 get rid of the dbo rule in Plus or get rid of the ROCK Ball. The ROCK Ball is ridiculous for Vegas. |
| Sept. 9, 2014 grd8sbnut Men's 50 20 posts | Question to the ssusa Staff - how is it possible that West Coast Aftershock who entered this season as a 50 Major + team, was allowed to drop to 50 Major for the Western Nationals, got caught cheating by using altered equipment and now are allowed to stay at 50 Major for Worlds in Vegas. can someone from the staff please explain or clarify. |
| Sept. 10, 2014 Fabe Men's 65 455 posts | Great Aftershock question...would like to hear the staff's view! Aloha, Fabe |
| Sept. 10, 2014 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | What is so difficult to understand? They got caught cheating and forfeited the the championship game. It has nothing to do regarding their rating. Sheesh. |
| Sept. 11, 2014 Fabe Men's 65 455 posts | I was interested in the staff's view on the rating drop not interested in the cheating! Aloha, Fabe |
| Sept. 11, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | The rating change for West Coast AfterShock (and for all other teams that are changed, up or down) was completely consistent with the criteria described in the last priority message board post above titled TEAM RATINGS • Guidelines & Procedures ... Please review that post for any additional clarification ... |
| Sept. 11, 2014 DOLFAN 90 posts | The question I have is: How do they stay in Majors when after they were were dropped to Major and turn right around and get to the championship (really won it) in a BIG tourny. They should go right back up to Major +... Just sayin!!! |
| Sept. 12, 2014 DOLFAN 90 posts | I talked with a few people and we realized this is no easy task and everyone has opinion. I beleive that SSUSA is trying their best. Its a tough task to try and appease everyone. Good Luck SSUSA! |
| Sept. 14, 2014 HenryLX 2 posts | Guys, I have come up with a "Playing Format" for our senior softball that eliminates associations rating the teams, the name "THE 0257 PLAYING FORMAT". I will post this idea during the off season, stay tune!!!! |
| Sept. 14, 2014 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Many areas (states) play year around. So why the lengthy wait? Other than the name it sounds like old school days, not much more. |
| Sept. 14, 2014 Tim Millette 615 posts | If we are going to start this again.... I LOVE THE NEW HOMERUN RULE FOR MAJOR AND PLUS... It makes defense and singles hitting more important... |
| Sept. 15, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | We're not ... |
