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| Oct. 6, 2014 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Play at the plate This one also happened to me and I didn't argue, because I didn't really know. I came around to third base on a play against GSC. The throw came in from the outfield and skipped by the third baseman toward the plate. I saw this and took off for home. As I got close, there was Steve Imlay retrieving the ball and headed toward me with it. It was a blur, but there were other people in the way, too. I think someone was getting the bat, the umpire, possibly another runner that just scored, I can't be sure. But I went to the left to avoid being tagged by Steve-not remembering in the middle of the play that he could not do that, and then cut back across the corner of the box and was called out. I know Steve was not trying to do that, but that was my reason for going left, and going around at least one other guy. If anyone remembers differently, can you respond here? I'm just curious. Did I have an argument that I reacted instinctively to Steve coming toward the plate? Probably not. I'm going to shut up now and look for some thoughts. |
| Oct. 6, 2014 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | The guy you went around was your own player and the defensive player is not allowed to tag you for an out. I do not know if you went through the box or not. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Mike, I did go across the corner of the box. I just could not cut quickly enough to the right after going around whomever it was. Just curious, was he a runner that scored or someone picking up a bat? I saw Steve coming out from the back with the ball and reacted a bit to that but realized he could not tag me, but I wasn't sure who I had gone around. Odd play for sure. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 StevenL.Imlay Men's 60 174 posts | I was trying to get back to the plate but I wouldn't have gotten to the plate before you crossed the line. I didn't see where you ran because of the focus on the plate. It did seem congested at that time. That's all I know. SLi |
| Oct. 7, 2014 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | Like Mike said it was our player. He was on deck and picking up the bat. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | Batter |
| Oct. 7, 2014 stick8 1991 posts | Webbie not seeing the play it's hard to discern what happened. What's interesting about this play you described is you were in the "no tag zone" so to speak. I don't know the SSUSA rule on this (or if there is one) but if your trying to score in the "no tag zone" and the defensive player attempts to tag you which alters your route to the scoring line one might think it's defensive obstruction since he's not allowed to tag you. I'm not sure however. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 StevenL.Imlay Men's 60 174 posts | Stick8 I was going for the home plate not a tag. It never entered my thought process to tag him. SLi |
| Oct. 7, 2014 stick8 1991 posts | The rule states a runner can't be tagged out once he/she passes the commit line. If that happens the runner is automatically safe and the play is still live. Question is if said rule also applies to an attempted tag. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 curty Men's 60 187 posts | we had a similar type play. In a rundown (pickle) the runner stopped before the commitment line and attempted to return to third. resulting throw had him trapped & third baseman ran him to the line, where the runner crossed & then reversed direction, running into the player with the ball. this resulted in the run scoring because of interference by the third baseman, even though the runner caused the collision! This occurred right at the commitment line. Umpires judgement was that runner was attempting to reverse & would have been out if third baseman hadn't made contact. maybe we need to address this situation, as this play looked intentional. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 stick8 1991 posts | Steve I'll definitely take your word for it. I suspect many players in that scenario would go for a tag strictly by instinct. It sounds like you did the proper thing and from other posters have stated Webbie turned away to avoid his teammate. Odd play for sure!! |
| Oct. 7, 2014 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | I never meant to infer that Steve did try to tag me or did anything that he should not have done. When I came to the plate there were several people in the way. It turns out the one I had to avoid was our next batter. But it does raise an interesting question as to a runner having to cross the batter's box to avoid someone in the way to avoid a collision. from my angle I saw the Umpire our on deck batter and the catcherall moving in different directions. I was unable to get around all of them without crossing the batter's box. |
| Oct. 7, 2014 stick8 1991 posts | Curty if I read you correctly the third baseman had the ball, ran at the runner(presumably toward home) and in doing so the runner crossed the commit line. Then the runner reversed direction and in doing so ran into the player who had the ball. Did the third baseman have the ball? Did the runner who had crossed the commit line reverse direction and go back across the commit line? |
| Oct. 8, 2014 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | I have trouble understanding how a 3rd baseman can interfere with a runner who has crossed the commitment line and is running toward third. Smart base runners in a rundown can often cause interference by going right at the person who just threw it over his head if the thrower doesn't move quickly out of the way. In this case I just don't see it as applicable because returning to third wasn't an option once the comitmemt line was crossed. |
| Oct. 8, 2014 curty Men's 60 187 posts | the play occured right at the commitment line. the runner crossed the line with the thirdbaseman chasing him to tag him out, at which time the runner fell back towards fielder with the ball, falling to the third base side of the line. Umpire discussion was that the runner would have been out ( for returning over the line) IF the fielder was not in the way, which caused the runner to fall to the ground. it apperared that the runner did this intentionaly, as he immediately began to complain. |
| Oct. 8, 2014 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | Had a similar play at BLD involving a 3B chasing a runner home toward the commitment line ... The moment the runner crossed the commitment line, he slammed on the brakes, but did NOT back up, and the 3B ran into him from behind, touching him with the ball in his free hand ... Umpire awarded the run because of the "tag" inside the commitment line ... As the Field Director, I confirmed the call and complimented the base runner on a very head's up play ... |
| Oct. 9, 2014 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | Dave, your call is easy and third baseman erred since a simple throw for the force would have worked. Stopping short is not the same as going back toward third. In Curty's case going back toward third had no purpose except to cause a collision. Once he crossed the line he should have been called out as soon as he "fell back" or made any move except to the scoring pad. |
