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| Dec. 8, 2014 AZ29 Men's 60 6 posts | Automatic Move Ups In an earlier thread (Team Move Ups) it was mentioned there are 3 tournaments that if you win gets the team an automatic bump to the next level. My questions is, if 2 teams combined and won one of these tournaments, does this mean that those players are now rated at the next level for the upcoming season 2015? Do the players become chips ( on there lower rated team) if they go back to the team who’s name they didn’t represent at this tourney? |
| Dec. 8, 2014 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Think you have more here than just for one answer. Yea 3 events for the auto move. Combined teams depends on 'ability' & who they played for ratings wise...don't forget they do not rate players... :>) My experience is that; say a AA *team* uses 3 players that played AAA within the last 2 years or so, the AA *team* will play AAA for that event. I believe there is some leeway for those 3 players however. But wouldn't count on it if they played primarily AAA. So the 'chip' answer IMO would be yes. Within the site and a few posts by staff and my self, there is a formula for this. Might want to look for it. They do a good job though working it out fairly. |
| Dec. 8, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | SSUSA has reciprocity with SPA in recognizing, for purposes of ratings adjustments, that the World Champions of their respective entities (except for Major+) are moved up for the following season ... We presume your inquiry is regarding the team Rated Athletics (CA), who won the 15-team, 50-Major SPA 2014 World Championship in Dalton ... Rated Athletics will be re-rated to 50-Major plus, without appeal rights, for the 2015 Season based on their SPA Championship ... All players on that roster at the time the title was won will have their personal team rating history adjusted to 50-Major+ ... Should the Dalton Rated Athletics "disband", or re-configure their Dalton Championship roster, players who may not remain with Rated Athletics for 2015 will be counted in the calculation of "out of rating" players should they seek to join (or re-join) any other 50-Major team ... Those players will count toward the three-player maximum for the "out of rating" limitation in roster composition ... Hope this helps clear things up a bit ... |
| Dec. 8, 2014 badback Men's 55 4 posts | sorry az29, i must have missed that thread. could you tell me which 3 tourneys maeks you an auto move up for winning? |
| Dec. 8, 2014 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Guess I wasn't far off... IMO they don't use enough events ( or perhaps brackets with fewer teams) for the moves, but still it works it seems. |
| Dec. 8, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | badback ... The team won one of the three "automatic move" championships in a bracket of more than five teams ... Those three tournaments are ... 1. The LVSSA/SSUSA World Masters in Las Vegas; 2. The SPA World Championships in Dalton, GA; and 3. The ISA Senior World Series in Columbus, IN |
| Dec. 8, 2014 So Cal Z Men's 50 40 posts | I don't believe it's just if you win or not, for example we took 2nd at worlds and got bumped to Major+. Run differential, number of teams in your division per tournament have a lot to do with as well if I'm not mistaking. WE look forward to the challenge ahead of us with playing the best teams in the country. |
| Dec. 8, 2014 AZ29 Men's 60 6 posts | Staff not the tournament I was refering but I think you answered my question. Thank You. |
| Dec. 8, 2014 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | IF so then how do some teams have to play major in ssusa and can play AAA in SPA? And who knows what your rating is in ISA and ISSA? |
| Dec. 8, 2014 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | what if your team was moved up after playing in the Worlds and there was a AA player playing with that team. Can he go back to his AA team now? |
| Dec. 8, 2014 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | Sorry, and your team did not win the Worlds but were moved up? |
| Dec. 8, 2014 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | Again not thinking this out. Team played AAA in the Worlds and finished second got moved up to Major. Can that player who was AA player go back to his AA team. sorry for the confusion. |
| Dec. 9, 2014 So Cal Z Men's 50 40 posts | Paul if you are referring to me, yes but I think it's pretty normal if you have a top 3 finish at such a large tournament you will be subject to moving up. All of the teams that made it to Sunday this past year were very good teams and had a shot at winning it. |
| Dec. 9, 2014 LeeLee50 140 posts | Prior to Dalton Rated was already ranked as a Major Plus 50 team in SSUSA, I would have thought they would have been rated Major Plus in SPA also. |
| Dec. 9, 2014 rightrj1 Men's 55 286 posts | Lee Lee in 2013 Rated was moved to + after only playing in 3 50 Major tournaments( new team with no +rated players on roster we won 2 of the 3) then moved up to +. during 2013 SPA recognized that we were a new team and allowed Rated to Play 50 majors in SPA 2013 world, in which we finished 8th out of 17 teams. SPA allowed Rated to come back and play 50 Majors again in 2014, where we came out on top of a 15 team division. I think SPA doesn't rate teams in the middle of the season |
| Dec. 10, 2014 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | No Sir I was referring to my team and we got moved up to Major and I was actually looking for something from SSUSA to see if I could get that AA player back on his own teams roster instead of playing Major. We only picked him up for depth and he really didn't play that much and is a AA player? So can he go back to his AA team before playing any Major tournaments? That was my question? |
| Dec. 10, 2014 LeeLee50 140 posts | I just knew Rated was ranked Major Plus in 2013 and 2014 but did not play in SSUSA in 2014. I am not to sure about not having any Major Plus players, I believe your SS started for Sommerville last year 2014 and I saw a few others playing Major Plus in LV. It doesn't matter to me we don't play SPA and you know that I always have to give you a hard time. LOL |
| Dec. 10, 2014 So Cal Z Men's 50 40 posts | Paul I think there is a player appeal form he will have to submit to try and get his original rating back. I think SSUSA Staff could answer it better for you though :). |
| Dec. 12, 2014 AZ29 Men's 60 6 posts | Thanks rightrj1 for your explanation of Rated and the SPA tourney.Is Rated and the other team that joined Rated at SPA playing together in 2015? |
| Dec. 13, 2014 rightrj1 Men's 55 286 posts | AZ29, No Rated will only play SPA....All the guys that played on that Spa team will be playing SSUSA with other teams...SSUSA wants to beef up the Major + division, so we decided that since our individual rating is Major + we might as well all go to different teams to create more Major + teams in SSUSA! |
| Dec. 15, 2014 So Cal Z Men's 50 40 posts | Your just a bucket full of information Ron :). |
| Dec. 15, 2014 LeeLee50 140 posts | So Ron my explanation was pretty correct. LOL |
| Dec. 15, 2014 rightrj1 Men's 55 286 posts | Lee Lee No, you were not correct..We were rated as major players! The talent level might have been at the plus level, but going by SSUSA's rating guide lines we were all Major players! I know why you ask! Cause? that's the team I PLAYED on and PITCHED A NO HITTER against MTC and you were on that MTC team! Huh you remember that NO hitter? of course not, but I just reminded you! You got NO Hit in SLOW PITCH SENIOR SOFTBALL!!!!!! 19-0 LMAO So Cal how that for Info? LOL |
| Dec. 15, 2014 Tim Millette 615 posts | Leon..I haven't followed this thread but...is a guy that pitched a one hitter against our "major plus" team while playing for another major plus team complaining about having to play major plus to the point they traveled across the country to play down?? I don't understand?? Did this marvelous team that one hit us actually run all the way to Georgia for a major instead of driving a few hours to Vegas to Play SSUSA Major Plus? Leon, Is that what happened? Or is there something else evolved? Maybe they found discounted tickets to the east that were cheaper then the price of 30 gallons of gas????? You gotta remember gas was expensive last summer..I think it got up to around $4 a gallon down south. I thought that rated team was good enough to at least try to compete in Plus last year???? Kinda like we "tried".. If I remember correctly????? Their catcher/coach/sponsor was a pretty funny guy. I remember their shortstop was good but...I can't remember any one else? Oh...I think I do remember...wasn't that guy that used to drive up to play with Ranaldi the rated pitcher?? I thought his name was Geoge or something like that..not Ron You remember Leon...the guy that didn't pitch when we beat them the next time we faced them. I think that's the case because I seem to remember saying...what coach doesn't start a guy that one hit a team the next time they play them;-) Anyway...isn't senior ball fun? We get to act like five year olds well into our late 50s. |
| Dec. 16, 2014 LeeLee50 140 posts | Ron, Tim is pretty close don't you think, it was a one hitter. LOL |
| Dec. 16, 2014 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | I remember the one hitter.. I gave the hit an error.. Right fielder dropped the ball on Rennels hit ball...clearly a catchable ball. One hitter or no hitter, who does that! ;-) |
| Dec. 16, 2014 LeeLee50 140 posts | We do isn't it obvious. It was a laser, clearly a base hit. LOL |
| Dec. 16, 2014 Tim Millette 615 posts | You are right swing..it could have been caught... That's probably why the Rated brain trust moved the pitcher that "one hit us" to right field the next game. I am sure the "one hit wonder" would have caught that ball if he wasn't stuck on the mound... "One hit wonder" now that's a nick name I can remember;-) |
| Dec. 16, 2014 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | LOL! |
| Dec. 16, 2014 rightrj1 Men's 55 286 posts | Swing, thxs for the love..Tim and Le Le know I was throwing 95 mph fastballs. I had 2 K's LOL. Ur right swing both the fly ball was very routine, but he got a glove on it ERROR! NO Hitter No Hitter..I should be placed in the Hall just fur throwing a No hitter in slow pitch! LOL Tim the 2nd game doesn't count, I wasn't on the mound, coaching decision! Only no hitter pitched in slow pitch softball against the best Major + team on the west coast! I'm a legend! LOL (in my mind) whats left of it! This was fun guys needed the laugh! |
| Dec. 16, 2014 Tim Millette 615 posts | Ron, is it ok for us to refer to you as the "one hit wonder" from now on. It's not our fault you were stuck on the mound and had to see that weaker right fielder not get to that hard hit line drive over his head. |
| Dec. 17, 2014 LeeLee50 140 posts | I am telling you it was a frozen rope, it was pissed on and the right fielder didn't have a chance. That is my story and I am sticking to it. LOL |
| Dec. 19, 2014 So Cal Z Men's 50 40 posts | Ron we may have to look at pitching you more this year :). Back to the topic, I think the original question was answered and should make for a fun season. John did you get your answer? |
| Dec. 19, 2014 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | @I like Rons pitching personally, but it puts him in the infield where he talks a lot @#$%... He got our Shortstop all worked up in Hemet this year... Keep him in Right field! ;-) |
| Dec. 19, 2014 So Cal Z Men's 50 40 posts | Swing I was there for that one, remember it well. Ron told me it was something about hair plugs? |
| Dec. 19, 2014 rightrj1 Men's 55 286 posts | Swing, that's good defense!! LOL If you let me get in your head it does 2 things , gets you off your game and i get to Laugh My ass off at his frustrations! I did think the hair cut was a little different. It made for great entertainment! |
| Dec. 20, 2014 Tim Millette 615 posts | I think swings team told he he should wear "ear plugs". |
| Dec. 21, 2014 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | If the Worlds Championships in Vagas are an automatic move up for the champion, I'm curious why Vacar (70+ Major Champ) hasn't moved up in the 70's to Major+. |
| Dec. 21, 2014 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | We temporarily adjust ratings for the TOC teams to what the teams were at the time they earned their bid .. Vacar Stars is playing in the TOC as a 70-Major ... The rating has been restored to Major for that tournament only and will revert to 70-Major+ after the TOC ... You might observe that phenomenon for multiple teams that qualified for the TOC at a rating below their actual rating across all ages ... |
| Dec. 21, 2014 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Curveball, There are many teams that should be moved up, even though, they were not automatic move up. At least a dozen that are on the West coast. I am not familiar with all of the teams on the East coast. Anyone care to know, well, we can save that for another discussion. Since this discussion is regarding automatic move ups, I will stick to the subject matter at hand. Regarding the mentioned team Vacar not being moved up to Major plus, is an easy answer here. I have checked their other tournaments, and not to mention all of them, they did win the TOC the previous year. Vacar has qualified for the TOC again at the Major level. Since the TOC is right around the corner, SSUSA keeps or changes all team ratings for that tournament, to what they qualified at. Once that tournament has concluded in February, Vacar will be given a rating of Major Plus. If not, then you can inquire as to why. That is my thinking on this matter. Andy Smith, R & R Strokers, 60 Major |
| Dec. 21, 2014 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Well, no sooner than I wrote my message, the SSUSA staff was writing their's. LOL! They did confirm what I was thinking, therefore, no more worries Curveball. Andy Smith, R & R Strokers, 60 Major |
| Dec. 21, 2014 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | LOL I had no worries Andy. Just curious why a re-rating Dec. 5, 2014 after a team won the Worlds. Thought there may be a loophole. Questions answered. |
