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Discussion: Winter World`s

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Oct. 11, 2015
Foothills
Men's 55
94 posts
Winter World`s
What ball is being used at the Winter Worlds ? Thanks
Oct. 11, 2015
SSUSA Staff
2721 posts
Anaconda Trump Stote optic yellow 44 cor./375 comp. softball ... That's the same ball used at every SSUSA administered event except for the two held in Las Vegas (the Southwest and World Masters Championships)

Oct. 12, 2015
grayhitter59
Men's 55
222 posts
I thought the ball that was used out in Vegas was very good. What I don't understand is why there and not every where else.


Can staff please explain.
Oct. 12, 2015
SSUSA Staff
2721 posts
When LVSSA and SSUSA joined forces to co-promote the Southwest (in April) and the World Masters (in September/October) Championships, there were meetings to develop a compromise consensus on pre-merger playing rules of the two associations ... One of those items, from the LVSSA rules set, was the use of The Rock softball for the two Las Vegas events (only) ... That item was jointly adopted for the Las Vegas events and the SSUSA ball standard, the Anaconda Trump/Stote 44 cor./375 comp. ball was retained for events sanctioned by SSUSA individually ...

Oct. 12, 2015
Foothills
Men's 55
94 posts
That is unfortunate . The Stote does not hit well in temperatures above 80 . Which it will be in Phoenix .Fortunately the ball in Norcal hits well and we have the all temperature "Rock" in the Worlds . Some will still go to Westerns and the Winters with this ball . But , I know of more and more , that say they will not spend the money to go to a plus 80 degree tournament with the Stote . Me included .
Oct. 13, 2015
StevenL.Imlay
Men's 60
157 posts
It was my impression that a new ball would be considered for the new season???
Oct. 13, 2015
Dbax
Men's 60
1809 posts
The Rock used in the Worlds makes the game a joke. Just about anyone in the lineup can hit it out of the park.
Oct. 17, 2015
grayhitter59
Men's 55
222 posts
I don't particularly care which ball is used except for when I have never played with a rock in any SSUSA tournament and come to Vegas, where the air is nice and thin and our number 12 hitter can hit it out. Makes it a bit hard to start changing swings.

Just my two cents.

Maybe SSUSA should look at standarizing across the board.

It's enough that every senior sanction already has different balls, now within sanctions also different balls. Can you say 'confussion"
Oct. 17, 2015
Omar Khayyam
1289 posts
Dbax, I agree with you. There are relevant comparisons:

In the Huntsman, it is well known that many teams show up with non-roster power players far above the skill level of the regular season roster. Add to that, some teams sandbag in the seeding in order to dominate in the brackets. It diminishes the value of a gold medal. The only teams I admire are those who truly went with their own roster (or a same-skill level sub) and won against the cheaters.

The same thing happened in bowling. In the 60s, when automatic lane dressers became common, it was soon realized that by altering the oil sprayers one could goose a lane so that any bing-banger could score well. Averages soared, the rare 300 games became ho-hum, three game series scores were out of sight. Those in the know, such as myself, were not fooled and dissed the high average bowlers unless they proved themselves on neutral lanes. I stopped bowling because of this…and obviously so did the majority of bowlers and the sport has declined.

It's the same with the Worlds. With the favorable conditions and the extra-lively ball (can I say "illegal"), the Worlds are no longer an accurate measure of a team's over-all superiority and have become a "joke" as you say. I will guess that the first pitcher in the future to be tragically killed by a combination of a composite bat and the Rock will be in Las Vegas and that event will change a lot about senior softball.
Oct. 17, 2015
Mango
Men's 50
154 posts
Dbax, I agree. The Rock is way to hot to be used with senior bats, and certainly in Vegas. And Omar I agree with you that its only a matter of time. I don’t know about the other divisions but at 50 Major Plus its downright scary and it is only a matter of time. They need to change the ball or go back to the DBW. Or both!
Oct. 17, 2015
Jawood
Men's 50
908 posts
The Trump-Stote 44/375 is a fair ball in the cool weather. Obviously, it's hot most of the time and when it is, the game is a mush ball event which is not fun.

As Mango states "it's only a matter of time" so if we all realize this, why are we doing nothing? Something needs to be done to reduce the odds of this happening.

Is the Baden Fire the answer to the "best of both worlds" regarding a fair/safer ball? Possibly adding a few more HR's to the limits and/or allowing an 11th defender at the younger levels, like the 70's have to protect the pitcher a bit more.

Let's not experience what Omar has mentioned as a possibility in the future!
Oct. 18, 2015
korbacatcher
17 posts
My team played in the Vegas Worlds in the over 65 Major Class. It was about 100 degrees every day we played. My team hit a total of three homeruns in six games. All three were hit in the same game when the temperature was a little lower and the wind was blowing out Only two homeruns were hit against my team in six games, both by the same team in the same game. One HR hit the very top of the fence and bounced over. This is is a very low amount of homeruns in six games. If we had not been using the Rock, there would have been no homeruns hit by us or against us. If the Rock is not used, a better ball needs to be used when it is over 80 degrees than the Trump-Stote 44/375.
Oct. 20, 2015
DOERBAUM
Men's 55
81 posts
THE BALLS IN VEGAS WERE FUN TO HIT. ANY BALL WOULD BE FUN TO HIT OUT THERE. DURING B.P. WE WERE HITTING TRUMP

STOTES AND THEY WERE HARD TO KEEP IN THE YARD. THE TEMPS WERE RIGHT AT 100 THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE OUT THERE

(55 MAJOR) AND I DONT THINK YOU COULD WRAP UP SOME SOCKS WITH DUCT TAPE AND KEEP FROM HITTING IT OUT. FOR US

"LUCKY" ENOUGH TO LIVE HERE IN FLORIDA, THE GOOD HITTING SEASON IS ALMOST UPON US. NO MORE 95 DEGREES WITH

90% HUMIDITY. AS TO "FAIR BALLS" I AM GOING TO PUT IN A GOOD WORD FOR THE BALLS ALAN TANNER USED IN HIS ONE DAY

TOURNAMENT RIGHT BEFORE VEGAS. HITTING THOSE BALLS IN 90 DEGREE HEAT, HIGH HUMIDITY, AND A LOT OF WIND RIGHT

AT SEA LEVEL, THEY HELD UP EXTREMELY WELL. THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY A TRUE 44-375 WITH THE MICROCELL COVER TO

HELP WITH THE HEAT DEGRADATION PROBLEM. NOT A CHEATER BALL WITH TWO LAYERS AND SOFT STUFF TO FOOL THE

COMPRESSION TESTING EQUIPMENT. THEY DEFINATELY FEEL DIFFERENT THAN THE "ROCK". (READ NO SQUISHINESS )

WHEN I SAY THEY "HIT WELL", I MEAN I HIT ONE OFF OF THE LEFT CENTER FIELD WALL ON THE BACK BASEBALL DIAMOND AT

ABOUT 385, AND DIDNT GET ALL OF IT. WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY DRIVING THE PRODUCTS IN OUR SPORT, THIS BALL

(OR ONE LIKE IT) SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE ANSWER. JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH.
Oct. 26, 2015
maurice
9 posts
Korbacatcher,
I watched the 50 majors and the balls were flying out of the park in Vegas. No disrespect but Maybe 65-70 years old players aren't suppose to be hitting a softball 300 ft. The fact that any can at all may say something about the ball.
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