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| Jan. 6, 2016 PoollShark Men's 50 90 posts | SSUSA Opens Northeast Region I read in the winter newsletter that SSUSA has combined New York with the 6 New England states to form a single "Northeast State". First off, living in R.I. I think this is a great idea and a way overdue. Good job! I have a question for anyone in the know: Can teams from the "Northeast State" draw players from bordering states of New York (PA. NJ)? |
| Jan. 6, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | YES |
| Jan. 6, 2016 PoollShark Men's 50 90 posts | That was fast, thank you. |
| Jan. 6, 2016 DieselDan Men's 75 600 posts | This is interesting. As someone who grew up in MA, I read this as a big plus for the available talent teams can pick up from the "Northeast State." Sure, maybe one or two of the states don't have enough interested softball players, but as of the 2010 census, these six states have approximately 32,832,000 residents. Add in PA and NJ, you're now up to 54,460,000. We live in Ut and have six border states. All seven add up to 21,644,000. FL, GA, and AL total 34,258,000. Yes, the northern states have shorter seasons, but the serious players near major cities/colleges might have access to indoor facilities, plus the millions of snow birds play often elsewhere. Obviously a lot of discussion went into this decision, so let's hope it works out for all players throughout the country. The stat geeks out there can start tracking how this new region competes when many regions of the country meet. |
| Jan. 6, 2016 ChileHead 30 posts | That seems like a TREMENDOUS advantage for players and teams from that region. There are already a lot of good teams from NY & New England ang giving them this special advantage is detrimental to the rest of us that have to play by the old rules. 1/6 of the population of the US against the teams using the contiguous boundary rules. WOW! |
| Jan. 7, 2016 tattooball 774 posts | Forget about the number of people that live in the NE, most don't play softball. There is very few recreation programs and softball in the NE. The New England players are stuck when it comes to finding teams to play on. I believe this was decided on because the amount of registered players and teams versus population. |
| Jan. 7, 2016 ChileHead 30 posts | Can't forget about it Tattooball, that's true everywhere and it applies universally. Here's my prediction... in a year or two, there will be no more teams based in New England and all of those same teams will somehow be based in NY, so as to have the deepest possible talent pool available. |
| Jan. 7, 2016 ChileHead 30 posts | Let me retract that last statement, because it's even worse than that. I misread the part about MA or RI teams having access to PA/NJ/NY players. It's even worse than I thought! |
| Jan. 7, 2016 BobbyShea 13 posts | Since our Rochester team was moved up to 55-Major Plus (again without winning a tournament), this allows our "local" team to select "real" Major plus players from this entire region. We will discuss this at our team meeting on Sunday. Maybe we will attempt to "play with the big boys!" |
| Jan. 7, 2016 neck10 714 posts | I still say Michigan touches illinois |
| Jan. 7, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | Rickey: No they don't [grins]
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| Jan. 7, 2016 tattooball 774 posts | It is not where you want to register. You still have to have the majority from a state to declare it your state. So any of the new England teams that pick up other players will still register in the majority state. if the majority is (lets say NY) they are legal under the old rules anyway. |
| Jan. 7, 2016 tattooball 774 posts | Chili you might want to look at a map. MA and RI touch NY so they were already able to play on a NY team. There is very few players and teams in the entire tri state area. |
| Jan. 7, 2016 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | mmm are you sure dave.....since they both touching lake michigan...there will be a border there in the lake someplace......hence they be touching...... also there is vt and ct touching new york......so basically the whole area somewhere touches new york except new hamp and maine anyways...so why not let them draw from the whole area.....how many players in maine and hew hamp to begin with.....really...... |
| Jan. 8, 2016 tattooball 774 posts | ME 0 NH 1 They guy from NH plays on a MA team so he is legal under the old rules. Here is an example of why this is a good idea. For 4 years a team had the majority in Ma and was registered as a MA team. They picked up a few players from NY, That made them a NY team. The 1 player from NH was now illegal and had no place to play. He played with the team 4 years. They were not loaded, they did not win any worlds in any association so they were not trophy hunting. Their many other people in the N.E. that are not playing because of lack of teams. It is not about loading up it is giving players that are geographically locked to move over to another state and play. Here is a good question for you. When was the last time a team from these states won at the Major-Major+ level? |
| Jan. 8, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | mad dog • We're absolutely sure. Take a look at the map. Next thing you know, someone in FL will be asking to add a player from LA because it's "only about 100 miles" of the Gulf of Mexico between the two states. Oh, wait a moment, that actually happened this past year! That request was denied. |
| Jan. 8, 2016 MudDawg1063 7 posts | When did this "Northeast Region" come to fruition? Being from MA/RI area this totally makes sense. Currently there are not many teams from New England playing SSUSA. Tatooball: MA borders NY, however RI does not. RI borders MA and CT only! |
| Jan. 8, 2016 MudDawg1063 7 posts | Never mind the answer to my question...... I just "Northeast Region" change as part of the Rules Committee changes as of Dec 1, 2015. |
| Jan. 8, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3485 posts | The SSUSA National Rules Committee, in their 2014 meetings, instructed staff to study this proposal within the context of player and team density in the Northeast and to report back at the 2015 meetings on the topic. Based on the results of that study, the Committee passed the proposal at the 2015 Rules Committee meetings last month. |
| Jan. 8, 2016 neck10 714 posts | Dave I just happen to live on lake Michigan and can see the Illinois line from my back yard,well if I had some good field glasses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Jan. 8, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | And Sarah Palin claimed to be able to see Russia from her Alaska home, too ... |
| Jan. 8, 2016 neck10 714 posts | not as far to middle of the lake especially down by chicago |
| Jan. 9, 2016 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | i see it this way....if you can buy a fishing license in Illinois to fish lake michigan...than there are borders touching....just like here in texas with lakes that border Louisiana...Oklahoma....otherwise one state would control the lake with its parks and wildlife ......again just stating what seem to be logical.....the example you give dave would also include the rest of the world...that is an outside border and not an inside the country border.... |
| Jan. 10, 2016 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | dave look at google earth......you will see a border line running thru lake michigan.....with Wisconsin,Illinois and Michigan touching all at one point across from kensoha,Wisconsin....so to me that makes Illinois touching Michigan..... |
| Jan. 10, 2016 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | I see Mad Dog's reasoning, much like Hawaii being able to draw from California, Oregon and Wahington but the SSUSA rules explicitly declare which state can draw from which other states. |
| Jan. 10, 2016 PoollShark Men's 50 90 posts | Anyone worried about an unfair advantage based on population can rest easy. Of the 6 New England states, 3(Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire) have 0 teams registered in any SSUSA age divisions. The other 3(Ma, Ct. and RI) combined have 10 - 50+, 4 - 55+, 7 - 60+, 4 - 65+, 6 - 70+ and 1 each in the 75+ and 80+ divisions. Of those 33 total team at least a 1/3 to 1/2 of them are not active. I live in R.I. and can say from a tournament perspective there just aren't that many players interested. |
