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Discussion: Endload?

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Jan. 13, 2016
Snot Nose Kid
67 posts
Endload?
I have a question....

I know that Miken has 2 end loaded bats. One being .5 ounce end load and the Big Cat is a 1 ounce end load.

So what are the end load weights for the 2 Dudley end loaded bats?
Are they .5 and 1 ounce like the Mikens?
Jan. 13, 2016
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3189 posts
I don't know the exact end load but the differences in the two Dudley endloaded models is the barrel length, red is 12" and white is 13".
Jan. 13, 2016
OZ40
532 posts
If I'm not mistaken, the Dudley's carry the same end load weight as the Reebok Melee which was 1oz. Choice of barrel length was the only difference in the Dudley end loads.

2016 White Miken Ultra.....Balanced
2016 Miken Black...........1/2 oz. end load
2916 Miken "Big Cat".......1oz. end load
Jan. 13, 2016
Snot Nose Kid
67 posts
Maybe the end load weight is the same for both Dudley end load bats.
The only difference between the two bats is just the 1 inch barrel length.
Jan. 13, 2016
fennellwg
Men's 60
97 posts
This is a good question to go with Bruce's recent thread about measuring swing weight.

It's hard for me to believe that Dudley would simply shorten the barrel length ( and resultant sweet spot) without also trying to alter mass distribution ( more end-load) to the batter's advantage.

Measuring the swing weight
or
Measuring the balance point

for a given bat weight would go a long way towards making an objective comparison between different Dudley models as well as helping to compare against similar Miken flavors.

Both numbers would help make apples to apples comparisons by
permitting estimates of the bats Moment of Inertia (or swing "resistance").

its a shame that Dudley (so far) is not quick to volunteer this info. I don't understand why this type of info should be considered proprietary.

I'm sure the numbers will fall into place relatively soon, as sales reps seem more open to discuss these details.


just a thought
-bill

Jan. 13, 2016
Shut Up & Pitch
67 posts
So it appears Miken and Dudley have two opposite approaches to get the same result.

Miken uses the same bat barrel length but changes the end load weight...

Dudley uses the same end load weight but changes the bat barrel length...

Interesting!


Jan. 13, 2016
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3189 posts
I was told by one of the bashers in Dudley's literature that the 12" and 13" bats have the same size sleeve.
Jan. 13, 2016
Tri18
333 posts
Both of Dudley's bats that are end weighted have a 1/2 ounce end load. The swing weight/ dynamics change slightly since one barrel is 12" and one is 13".
Without getting overly swing weight/ center of mass/ balance point technical, the 12" FEELS just a tad heavier on the end. Many players feel it actually helps them achieve better bat speeds. The whole balance point issue can be debated on a wide variety of levels as there are many ways to try and define it. Keep in mind that every bat doesn't always weight exactly what it's marked and that weight could have been achieved either by more handle weight or more end weight. As I have often said, pick a top tier quality bat that FEELS good to you in your hands and when you swing it. It will most likely be the one that you have the most success with.

Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
Jan. 13, 2016
obagain
Men's 50
72 posts
There are many ways to change bat weights.
Lighter materials in the handle, heavier material on the barrel or like the geezer put a solid steel knob on it.
The biggest problem with all this is the mfg have no real reason to make tight tolerance bats.
We have all gotten bats the weigh an ounce or more different than sticker weight.
As long as they are that loose with weighting we can't really nail down what works best for us.
The ones I talk to have all said the same thing, we are not getting many complaints so it must not be a problem.
Let's face it, we are softball nerds and most players just go play once a week and have no idea about any weighting.
Until there are more serious players who really care about this we are stuck with this system.
March 15, 2016
JimmyRedSox
Men's 55
8 posts
I have a new Miken Ultra II end-load, SSUSA 2-piece Big Cat. Will it require a break-in? If so, about how many batted balls will be required to start experiencing some distance to fly balls?
March 15, 2016
crusher
Men's 75
524 posts
Jimmy, probably around 225 actual swings.

Be sure to rotate the bat 1/8th turn for each strike.

And make sure you hit up and down the barrel of bat
for the full trampoline effect when bat is broken-in.

C
March 15, 2016
cyborg45
Men's 75
189 posts
I agree. At least 225 swings. The 2016 model does not break in as easily as previous years. I have about 200 swings on my new Big Cat and it is no where near the 2014 or 2015. I just hope that it will finally get there. I was so disappointed today, that I pulled out my old red endload.
March 15, 2016
Whitey58
28 posts
With the new Miken Ultra ll Black Big Cat have patience. I have one with 400 hits and one with 200 hits . I feel it starts to break in at 300 and just gets better. I hit with the one with 200 at B.P. last week and was hitting around 300ft. But the one with 400 I have hit 330-340ft shots . Like I said Have patience. These Bats are a different type than most of us are use to
March 15, 2016
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
271 posts
Cyborg45, Whitey is right. Have patience and you will be rewarded. To me any Senior bat is hot anyway you look at it. Senior bats are high performance bats. That is why there is no warranty's on the bats. Miken is working hard and continues to improve all the time to make a great bat with great durability. The Ultra 2 Black might seem to take a little longer to get that extra footage you are looking for, so it might take you a little longer to get to where you need to be, but they are lasting a whole lot longer now. Good Luck with the bat. Keep me posted when it gets to that hot spot...

Thank You
Mighty Mike Macenko
aka:Gorilla Boy
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