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| Jan. 23, 2016 Pieman Men's 60 108 posts | TOC Berths I just read how SSUSA is giving awards to teams that are the only one in there age bracket and classification. This is the correct thing to do. My problem is when you sign up to play in a Championship Tournament as we did last March ISA Winter Nationals and are the only team in our age group and classification, we had to play against the younger age group and were not awarded the TOC berth. Getting 5 runs or an extra infielder is not enough to make up for players 5 years younger, stronger and faster. Plus in our case being a Major team, we could not even use the quota of 6 home runs. Had to play under AAA rules. We paid our entrance fee, booked flights and hotels. Is it our fault no other teams attended. I think SSUSA should reconsider at least awarding the TOC berths in the future when this situation arises in 2016. Mike Santo Promotion 60 Major |
| Jan. 23, 2016 wagon487 Men's 55 578 posts | When you play a lower division teams, you have to give them 5 runs /or extra player and then you have to use their home run limit. Seems unfair, if you give five runs, you should play by the higher home rum limit. Seems like the higher division is just giving up too much. |
| Jan. 23, 2016 Antique Road Show Men's 65 9 posts | The new rules state that the team giving the equalizer is automatically home team. Takes a little of the sting out of the double whammy of runs/xtra player & lower class HR limit. |
| Jan. 24, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | AAA bracket of TOC has 1 70+ Major team. It says they will be playing their games 'straight up'. Just curious, does that mean they get their 11th fielder as per 70+ rules and no 5 run/11th man will be given. I am not sure what the definition of straight up is. Or does that mean both teams will play with 11 fielders??? |
| Jan. 24, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | k man • It's a fairly common misconception that a game involving a 70+ (or older) team with 11 defensive players playing a 65+ (or younger) team with 10 defensive players constitutes an equalizer circumstance. It does NOT, since teams are ALWAYS entitled to play with their native defensive alignment. For men's teams 70+ and older and women's teams 50+ and older, that number is 11, and for all other teams the number is 10. Accordingly, "straight up" means no runs given/received, since 65-AAA and 70-Major both carry the same Rating Index of 5. Simply stated, an equalizer is present when a team gives or receives runs and/or an extra defender they would not give/receive if they were playing in a pure division of their own age and rating. There are only three divisions at this year's TOC that involve equalizer play: the Men's 50/55-AA, Men's 80/85+ and Women's 40/50+. |
| Jan. 24, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | Staff, I understand your explanation. But it would seem to me that a Major team with potentially 3 major plus players and an 11th fielder would have an advantage over a 65+ AAA team in both power and defense. Maybe the 5 year age difference is the equalizer. It is what it is. I'm relatively new to this so it is what it is. Thanks for your explanation. |
| Jan. 24, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | k man • Yes, the 5-year age difference, especially as we age up into the more senior groups, is the REAL equalizer ... Good luck if you're heading to Florida! |
| Jan. 26, 2016 joel 1975 131 posts | Ill tell you where the advantage is the team that is the only one in there division automatic winner of ring's no matter what they do lose all there games still winner of there age and division , but here's the catch what about the other team's that are in the bracket they can be put out of tournament by one of these team's if that team is say # 4 seed loses there 1st game then they could eliminate 4 or 5 team's from the bracket. worse yet if there were only three team's in your bracket say it's 2 (AA) team's and 1 (AAA) team if the AAA team is the #3 seed he beats the # 2 seed (AA) the AAA team goes on in bracket loses to the other AA team comes back down plays #2 seed beats them guess what that #2 seed AA team just got eliminated from tournament and never had a chance to play the other AA team. |
| Jan. 26, 2016 joel 1975 131 posts | the AA teams would be 50AA & the AAA team would be55AAA |
| Feb. 8, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | As fate would have it, we ended up playing the 70 Major team in our final final game on Saturday and they knocked us out of the tournament. The extra fielder was not a factor and we were in the game until the very ended. Final was I think 18-17 when they won it in the bottom of the 7th by scoring 5 runs. The competition in the 65AAA was great. The 5 teams we played against was great. Much friendship and a well run tournament in spite of some wet weather and sloppy play on our part. Here's hoping we play well enough to earn a berth to return next year! k-man #64 LI Jaguars. And congrats to our 65+ AA LI Jaguars who won their division. |
| Feb. 8, 2016 neck10 714 posts | we played a very good K C Renegade Team, hat's off to thos guy's what a bunch of classy guy's.They were playing short handed their pitcher goes down,they still competed & held their sportsmanship up. Hat's off to you fellow's THE GUY"S FROM KINNCO SOFTBALL |
