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Discussion: Are possible changes ahead for future TOC tournaments

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Feb. 25, 2016
AcePV
Men's 60
29 posts
Are possible changes ahead for future TOC tournaments
I have heard rumors that the current contract for the TOC in Florida is up this year. Don't know if that is true or not but in SSUSA considering a change in location for future tournaments when the current contract does expire?
Feb. 25, 2016
B94
Men's 50
138 posts
I'm pretty sure there is still 5 yrs left in the current contract based on previous discussions on the TOC...
Feb. 25, 2016
SSUSA Staff
3185 posts
The rumors are inaccurate ... TOC contract runs through 2021 ... This could be a discussion topic at that time, unless the contract is extended before then ...
Feb. 25, 2016
rlspls1974
Men's 65
113 posts
Staff, have you given any thought to moving the TOC to November and the Winter Nationals and Winter Worlds to February?
Feb. 25, 2016
wdodge22
Men's 50
127 posts
Staff

A suggestion might be to get some feedback from the membership before renewing or extending.

In my opinion, the TOC should be centrally located in the US making the travel time equal for all. Some of the teams from CA that I know have qualified and opted out is due to cost and time so close to the end of the holidays.

Just my humble opinion ( but still hoping to qualify for TOC some day).

Feb. 25, 2016
rlspls1974
Men's 65
113 posts
WDodge22, somewhere like OKC or Dallas would be perfect.
Assuming of course, they have sufficient fields available .
Feb. 25, 2016
Dbax
Men's 65
2010 posts
Why would anyone want to go to OKC in the winter?
Feb. 25, 2016
DieselDan
Men's 70
500 posts
November in St. G.
Feb. 26, 2016
B94
Men's 50
138 posts
St. George would be a great place for this event. Phoenix would be another option...
Feb. 26, 2016
titanhd
Men's 60
608 posts
Timing more than location is the present issue.
Feb. 26, 2016
garyheifner
609 posts
Don't mind Florida. Would like to see it moved back a month. Despite what you might think, it can be damn cold in Winter Park in Feb. Made it several years, there was frost on the ground for the early games and the stores were out of cold weather gear.

Also, if there is mis-rated team that wins multiple TOC tournament spots, offer a spot to some of the 2nd place finishers. Sorry, but when you make it to the final two in a large field, you are a champion. As we all know, the difference between 1st and 2nd is only a hit, error or bad call. Try and make it at least an 8 team field rather that 2 or 3 playing for the TOC.
Feb. 26, 2016
Dbax
Men's 65
2010 posts
Sorry, but second place does not make you a champion. In any sport.
Feb. 27, 2016
sager25
20 posts
Although I agree that 2nd place doesn't make you a champion, I also think births should be passed down. It doesn't do the TOC any favors if a team wins 3 or 4 ring events & doesn't attend the tourney.
Feb. 27, 2016
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
516 posts
And there are plenty of precedents from professional sports of wild card teams going on to win big in the WS and Super Bowl.
Feb. 27, 2016
wagon487
Men's 55
578 posts
Wild card teams can get in with losing record. If you allow (even second place teams) that to happen,it is no longer the TOC, it's just a tournament.
Feb. 28, 2016
DCPete
406 posts
There it is, straight fire from The Wagon . . .
Feb. 29, 2016
Stretch14
Men's 50
202 posts
Must be a money thing.
March 1, 2016
gott2play
Men's 60
211 posts
I believe that the current contract runs through 2021. While at the TOC, a credible source shared with me that the contract with the Central Florida Sports Marketing Association had been extended for an additional 10 years. If true, the bottom line is that the TOC will be in Florida for the foreseeable future.
March 2, 2016
B94
Men's 50
138 posts
gott2play if that is indeed correct then maybe it could be moved back a couple weeks to generate the possibility of playing in some better weather...
March 2, 2016
gott2play
Men's 60
211 posts
B94,

Not sure moving the tourney back two weeks would guarantee better weather. I've been to the TOC four times over the past six years and have had bad weather two of those years. The other two, the weather was great.

We were just there this past February and had the Saturday afternoon games cancelled due to rain. We arrived for our 8am game on Sunday and were greeted with 40 degree temps and 25 plus MPH winds...not ideal softball weather. As long as the TOC is in Central Florida during the Feb time-frame, weather will be a consideration.
March 3, 2016
#19
Men's 70
302 posts
In a previous post in this thread, SSUSA Staff says the contract runs through 2021 ... gott2play's credible source says the contract was extended for an additional 10 years ... Who's right?
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