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| March 6, 2016 Sisavic 190 posts | How is this scored #2 Batting out of turn. Batters A and B are listed in order on the official batting order given to the ump, but listed as B and A in the batting order placed in the dugout. Batter B leads off and gets a hit, but is called out for batting out of order. Who bats next? How is the out recorded and against which batter? (It should be recorded against the scorekeeper, but that's another story!) |
| March 6, 2016 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | Since no one else has stepped on this one, I'm going to hazard a guess: I'm scoring it 2U (Catcher Unassisted) on the basis of the catcher being the closest to the batter (same rationale as the catcher getting a Put Out when the batter strikes out). I believe the next batter should be the third batter in the order (the one who follows B on the official scorecard). Now everyone can fire away and tell me how wrong I am! |
| March 7, 2016 OZ40 549 posts | Umpire has the official line-up card. Batter "B" (who batted instead of "batter A") is out on appeal. Batter "B" then bats in his correct spot (#2 hitter) w/1 out. Had batter "B" been appealed before a pitch was thrown then Batter A could have taken his correct spot in the order. If batter B is appealed with a ball or strike count on him then batter A takes his correct spot in the line-up and assumes whatever count batter B has on him. ?? |
| March 7, 2016 B94 Men's 50 138 posts | Same scenario Batter B has hit out of order, Batter A now in the box and takes Ball 1 and then defensive coach brings to the umpires attention that the batter's are out of order... Result is??? |
| March 7, 2016 Garocket Men's 55 259 posts | B94 in your scenario, once a pitch has been thrown to A there can be no appeal. C would come to the plate with 1 ball no strike count. If caught before the pitch then A would be out for not batting. You do not penalize the batter for batting out of order. You penalize the person for not batting |
| March 7, 2016 stick8 1991 posts | Oz and garocket are both correct. It's like any other appeal play--it must be made before the first pitch. |
| March 8, 2016 Wayne 37 Men's 65 773 posts | BOO [batting out of order] ~ Umpire ALWAYS has official lineup card. The player must finish the at-bat to appeal a BOO. Appeal during the AB, the team can send proper hitter to the plate. You always move down in the order to correct a BOO, never up. [best rule of thumb ever] Scenario~B leads off game with a hit. After a proper appeal, B is declared out and returns to bat again. B leads off the game with a fly out. After a proper appeal, B returns to bat with one out. Scenario~C makes the last out of an inning and F leads off next inning. After a proper appeal, G is the next batter. D & E are skipped this time around. |
| March 9, 2016 Garocket Men's 55 259 posts | 1st scenario B is not out, A would be counted out for not batting |
| March 9, 2016 Garocket Men's 55 259 posts | This should clear all questions up: a. First, identify the proper batter (the player who failed to bat in his spot in the lineup) and call that player out. b. Next, you must nullify any action that resulted from the improper batter's at-bat. If the improper batter is on base, send him back to the dugout. If other runners advanced as a result of his at-bat, return those runners to the base they occupied when the improper batter advanced. However, if a runner advanced by stealing a base during the improper at-bat, that runner's steal stands. c. Finally, call the next batter to the plate. The next proper batter is the batter whose spot in the lineup follows that of the proper batter who failed to bat in turn, whom you've just called out. Often, this is the improper batter that you've just sent back to the dugout. Note that if the batter now due up is in fact on base, then you simply pass over him and move to the next batter in the batting order. Important: If the improper batter's at-bat results in his being put out, and if the defense then appeals the batting order infraction, that put-out is nullified. The defense gets the out from the batting out of order infraction, but they don't get that out and the improper batter's put-out. Taking it one step further, if the improper batter's at-bat results in a double-play, an appeal of the infraction nullifies both of those outs. In short, a defensive manager is wise to know this rule well, since sometimes it's best to just leave well enough alone. (We have more to say about this in a section below.) Note: When penalites are applied for batting out of order, the player penalized is not the player who batted out of order, but rather the player who failed to bat in his proper spot in the lineup. In that sense, "batting out of order" is a misnomer; it is more accurate to say "failing to bat in the proper order." |
| March 10, 2016 Wayne 37 Men's 65 773 posts | Didn't know that the phrase "B returns to bat" to be so confusing? It is really more accurate to say fair/foul pole. A foul ball and foul tip are two different things. The ball isn't dead, playing action is stopped. The umpire doesn't call the next batter to the plate. He is not the coach. There is no stealing in slowpitch unless you're playing USSSA. It isn't the stretch position, it is the set position.....etc. If anybody wants clarification on scoring rules, rule 10 in the OBR (Official Baseball Rules) which is what MLB subscribes to is good to reference. They ae online at www.mlb.com |
