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| June 7, 2016 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | A few more scores from Reno and oddity Here are some more reports on Reno older brackets that I have gathered from my Rec League fellow players; 80AAA 1. Redwood City Chiefs 2. Oregon Sports 3. Scrap Iron 75Major+ 1. S.F. Seals 2. PDR Fastsigns 75Major 1. State Roofing Royals 2. Scrap Iron 3. California Oaks Here is an oddity. In the 75 Major bracket, one of the teams was forced to play four games on the second day! Temperature was in the low 90s, and a 75 team had to play four games. It was reported at Vegas last year, that SSUSA was planning on not having older teams play more than two games a day. I have seen many teams play 4, 5, even 6 or 7 games on the last day, coming out of the loser's bracket. But this was NOT a losers bracket situation, but regularly scheduled play while still winning! Way too much, it seems to me, to ask of an older team. Also, in the 75 Major, all teams played 3 games on the second day, with only one winner playing four. In the 75AAA there was also the scheduled potential for a team to play three games on the second day, same with the 80Major and the 80AAA. |
| June 8, 2016 Kyphogt Men's 55 28 posts | Does anyone have results for the 50 Major division in Reno? 50 Major results missing under Tournament tab for Reno |
| June 8, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4313 posts | MEN'S 50+ DIVISION Golden Eagle 50-Major Plus 1. Sommerville Softball (CA) 2. Arizona Elite 3. Nazzareno Electric (CA) 50-Major 1. NorCal Warriors (CA) - In the "If" game 2. JU Entertainment (CA) 3. Washington Legends 50-AAA 1. Mc U Sports (ID) 2. Never Say Never/Big Al's Trucking (UT) 3. Quicksilver (CA) |
| June 8, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4313 posts | Omar ... The guidelines you mention are for the World Masters Championships only, which have a four-day timeline ... In Reno, the term was only three days, necessitating that schedule ... The alternative, which is generally opposed by the vast majority of teams, is to just do a round robin format (like you play in NCSSA) and dispense with the bracket entirely ... The downside is, as you know, that a team two games behind with one to play on the last day often just bails out, forfeiting and denying their opponent their fifth game in the tournament ... The schedule I wrote spread the games out, with adequate time between, and nobody was at risk ... Which of those format options would be your preference? ... |
| June 8, 2016 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | Dave, We actually played a round robin in Vegas last Worlds, if I remember, which most of the older teams enjoyed. It led to morning games, cooler conditions, and no more than two games a day, and the bonus of not facing the onerous (and usually fruitless) chore of playing multiple games to get out of the losers bracket on the last day. I realize it is easier to schedule a four day tournament when it comes to limiting the number of games. But it was explained in Vegas that the benefit was safetykeeping oldsters from playing for hours in the heat. This year's Reno event was about the same heat as Vegas, and four games in one day is incredibly unsafe for any older team. 75- and 80-year-olds are fortunate to still be playing at that age, and wise enough to monitor their health to keep them playing. Playing 5-6 hours on a 90+ degree day is not wise. In this case, it seems that scheduling the fourth game on the morning of the third day would have been a wiser option, especially since all of the fields but one were empty by 2:00. I realize that "if games" could have messed this up, but the norm is that SOME field does not have an "if game" and would be available for play. As to bailing out and forfeiting a final game, I have no problem if that is mutually agreeable by both managerswhen it is not and a team is robbed of their fifth game, one solution would be to bar the forfeiting team from the next year's worlds...or all tournaments in the next year. As you are aware, NCSSA has a hefty fine for teams that bail in this way. As to your opinion in the last line that "nobody was at risk", I'm guessing you will believe differently when you are over 75 and lugging around an aging body. We have had a history of heat stroke, cramping, fainting, dizziness, etc. in NCSSA tournaments when the maximum number of games is only THREE in a day. |
| June 9, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4313 posts | Thanks Omar ... Much appreciate your insights ... This is an interesting conundrum ... We have done the full brackets format in Las Vegas and hear the "..too many games.." argument ... When we switched last year in the World's to the RR format, the "..it's not a tournament unless there's a bracket.." commentary was more prevalent .. The 75's commenting have a very high percentage favoring brackets, and that may be somewhat attributable to the modified single elimination bracket format we employed ... It's not a pure DE bracket, but seemed to be more acceptable than no bracket ... The 80's commenting also favored a bracket, but it was closer to a balanced opinion ... And then there's the 80+ player who called to let us know he didn't like having to play 12 games last year in Las Vegas ... It took me a while to get the true facts, but it turned out he was double-rostered on an 80+ AND an 85+ team, playing six games for both! ... Who would have thought that was even possible 10 years ago ... We will look at it again this year and try to do the right thing, knowing full well it's going to be another 50% approval rating either way ... Thanks, again, for your insightful comments ... |
| June 9, 2016 Sweet P Men's 60 191 posts | SSUSA, can you post the results of the 65-division? Thanks, Phillip West Coast Allstars |
| June 9, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3490 posts | Final Results MEN'S 40-MASTERS MAJOR PLUS 1. Dudley/Prestige (CA) TOC 2. GTS (ID) 3. Cali 40 Gold (CA) MEN'S 40-MASTERS MAJOR 1. Layer Cake Wines/Dudley/Elite Sports USA (CA) TOC 2. Prestige Pools (CA) 3. SofaKing Softball/Elite (CA) MEN'S 50-MAJOR PLUS 1. Sommerville Softball (CA) TOC 2. Arizona Elite 3. Nazzareno Electric (CA) MEN'S 50-MAJOR 1. NorCal Warriors (CA) TOC 2. JU Entertainment (CA) 3. Washington Legends MEN'S 50-AAA 1. Mc U Sports (ID) TOC 2. Never Say Never/Big Al's Trucking (UT) 3. Pacific Coast Alliance (CA) MEN'S 50/55-AA 1. Horn Softball 50 (CA) TOC 2. 808 Hawaii MEN'S 55-MAJOR PLUS 1. Summy's 55 (CA) TOC 2. MTC 55's/Dudley (CA) 3. Change the Mascot (CA) MEN'S 55-MAJOR 1. D&K Tradition (NV) TOC 2. R & R Strokers 55 (CA) 3. Team Pound (WA) MEN'S 55-AAA 1. Sidewinders 55's (AZ) TOC 2. Colorado Home Fitness 3. Northern Exposure/Alaska Kings MEN'S 60-MAJOR PLUS 1. Old Dawgs 60 (CA) TOC 2. Summy's Nighthawks (CA) 3. Goodman Racing (WA) MEN'S 60-MAJOR 1. Last Call (NV) TOC 2. TRI-C-Machine (CA) 3. No Dice (CA) MEN'S 60-AAA 1. Bulldogs 60's (OR) TOC 2. 2nd Wind Resurrected (WA) 3. Scrap Iron High Octane (CO) MEN'S 60-AA 1. Makua Alii (HI) TOC 2. Out of Storage (CA) 3. Fresno Mayhem (CA) MEN'S 65-MAJOR PLUS 1. Timberworks Construction (CA) TOC 2. Old A's (CA) 3. Omen 65 (CA) MEN'S 65-MAJOR 1. Animals (CA) TOC 2. San Antonio Silver Streaks (TX) 3. CenTex 65's (TX) MEN'S 65-AAA 1. Sims 65 (WA) TOC 2. Sacramento Islanders (CA) 3. Prime Time (CA) MEN'S 65-AA 1. Texas Lone Stars TOC 2. Sacramento Buds (CA) 3. Goodfellas (CA) MEN'S 70-MAJOR PLUS 1. Scrap Iron 70 Legacy (CO) TOC 2. Omen 70 (CA) 3. W.E. Ruth Realty 70 (WA) MEN'S 70-MAJOR 1. Tharaldson's (NV) TOC 2. RWC State Roofing (CA) 3. California Wrecking Crew MEN'S 70-AAA 1. The Zone 70's (UT) TOC 2. Scrap Iron 70 Red (CO) 3. Silver Sox (CA) MEN'S 70-AA 1. Solano Senior Enforcers (CA) TOC 2. California Oaks 3. Magic Stuff 70's (UT) MEN'S 75-MAJOR PLUS 1. San Francisco Seals 75 (CA) TOC 2. PDR Fastsigns (OR) MEN'S 75-MAJOR 1. State Roofing Systems (CA) TOC 2. Scrap Iron Beams (CO) 3. California Oaks 75's MEN'S 75-AAA 1. Lincoln Hills Coyotes (CA) TOC 2. Triple Play 75 (CA) 3. Slammers (UT) MEN'S 80-MAJOR 1. Fairway Ford (CA) TOC 2. Emerald 80's (WA) 3. Sacramento Gold (CA) MEN'S 80-AAA 1. Redwood City Chiefs (CA) TOC 2. Scrap Iron Gray Berets (CO) 3. Oregon City Sports WOMEN'S 40-MASTERS MAJOR 1. Old School 40's (CA) TOC 2. Kiss Our Stix (CA) 3. Fun Bunch 40's (CA) WOMEN'S 40-MASTERS AAA 1. Smack That (CA) TOC 2. Idaho Spirit 3. TABU (CA) WOMEN'S 50+ DIVISION 1. Arizona Dream Team TOC 2. B.O.O.B.S. 50 (CA) 3. Spokane SPARX (WA) WOMEN'S 55+ DIVISION 1. Ladies Choice 55 (CA) TOC 2. Nevada Sage 55 3. Santa Cruz Blues 55 (CA) WOMEN'S 60+ DIVISION 1. California Spirit 60 TOC 2. Ladies Choice 60 (CA) 3. Arizona Castawaz WOMEN'S 65/70+ DIVISION 1. Ye Olde Bats (NV) TOC 2. Saints Express (CA) 3. Las Vegas Neons (NV) |
| June 10, 2016 DieselDan Men's 75 601 posts | Since there is still no individual game scores from Spring Vegas, one might expect Reno game results before Vegas Worlds in September. |
