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| June 26, 2016 garyheifner 649 posts | 1-1-----0-0 count Staff We have beat this topic to death and then eliminated it from the current known universe. However, something to maybe think about. In my Sun City Huntley Illinois 12" league, we have many current and former SSUSA players. We have been trying a 0-1 count. Helps pitchers who are off a little or want to work the pitches and encourages hitters to hit the 1st good pitch. Walks rarely happen. We also capped the runs at just "4" while making a full game "8" innings with the 8th the open. Result has been lots of action and the games are being completed between 55 and 65 minutes. The vast majority like it. |
| June 27, 2016 Fred S Men's 85 297 posts | I like that better than 1-1. It still gives 2 pitches to fool around with before having to throw a strike. |
| June 27, 2016 SS13 40 posts | I think anything is better than 0-0. I would try that for sure. |
| June 28, 2016 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | As a pitcher, I like gary's suggestion. I have not been a fan of starting 1-1, but starting 0-1 has some appeal. Of course, I believe Gary, Fred, and I are all old geezer pitchers and perhaps we love our 0-0 tradition more than we should. Good to hear Gary's experience. |
| June 28, 2016 southpaw Men's 70 1077 posts | As a pitcher, I like this idea as well. After all, we are throwing underhanded and slow! Hitters have a very real beginning advantage. Also, it seems to me that once a batter has a strike, it forces him to be a bit more aggressive at the plate, thus, not standing and taking so many pitches. I think this also prompts the pitcher into being more productive in his approach as to how he continues to work the batter. |
| June 30, 2016 17Black Men's 60 414 posts | I am open to all ideas' not sure about the 8 inning games above. I'm fine with 0-0 or 1-1 count as long as the batter doesn't get an extra foul ball, because that doesn't speed anything up. . There is another thread going on about "heat stroke" and many others about general health Do the math if your an outfielder-------------going from the dugout to your position is 250 feet, coming back is another 250 feet---------that's 500 feet an inning 500 feet an inning times 7 innings is 3500 feet without even chasing a ball. Now the outfielders are going 4000 feet in 8 innings without chasing a ball, and with one less run an inning the innings in theory should go quicker, so even if you don't chase a ball, your coming back and forth quicker. if you did this in a tournament and played even three games that's 12,000 feet "without chasing a ball" -------------that's over 2 1/4 miles a day, NOT chasing balls down in the outfield. Do the math if you played a 4th or even a 5th game----------heck even a 6th game in a day we've done in tournaments. Its one thing if its extra innings-----------why add an inning though? |
| June 30, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | 17Black- regarding the outfielders, of which I am one, and that only includes the defensive side of the game, add onto that running the bases several times a game and possibly courtesy running., which are usually full out sprints. Outfielders who can run are a hot commodity in our age group. Regarding the pitch counts, 40+ and 65+ I play in are 1-1 with a foul, tournaments are 0-0 with no foul. 40+ pitch height 4-10 from point of release. 60+ 6-12 tournament I think is 6-12. I think I need to wear one of those cheat sheet wrist things that I see them wearing to remind me of the rules. lol |
| June 30, 2016 17Black Men's 60 414 posts | k man --- AGREED, outfielders defensively/offensively/base running, just going to their position between innings put on "miles" I love your assessment of interpreting the rules-----------one of the leagues I play in is a "senior" over 50 league with GSL rules------------senior because we are over 50 and use a mat---------------GSL has a 5-10 arc 1-1 count, NO Senior bats (U Trip only) pitchers use USSSA rules, faking, bobbing, weaving, stuttering, dancing, throw under the legs, flat, fast, windmills, etc etc etc-----------it was OK when we used to play USSSA when we were younger-----------GSL is modified with the 5-10 arc because very few USSSA umps ever called "3 feet from release" properly--------at least 5 feet is some kind of gauge----------------but it throws even seasoned senior tournament players off with the herky jerky stuff nobody has seen in several years. The best GSL pitchers in a 12 team senior league dominate, but there are only about three guys that can do it well.---------Last night I saw 50 Major Plus Players swinging and falling down in the batters box, hitting into DP's due to the pitching. We do need a QB cheat sheet to play SSUSA/ISSA/SPA/ISA/USSSA/GSL and whatever else is out there, plus every local league seems to have different local rules too (screens, no screens, 65 feet/70 feet bases, ten kinds of balls, ten men, eleven men, I've seen 12 men defensively------------where does it end???? |
| July 1, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | 17Black and thanks for reminding me, senior bats for SSUSA, double wall for 40+ and single wall for 60+ rec league. And used bats for when it gets colder. I keep using the excuse, it's the last bat, last glove, last set of spikes I will have to buy.lol |
| July 3, 2016 Don5 Men's 75 69 posts | Personally I like the 1-1 count, with hot bats and balls, the batter can be selective on many pitches. In our Stanislaus Senior Association, we tried using the 1-1 count for two months, the games ended quicker and the scores were much less and we were almost always able to play a full 7 innings in 60 minutes. As a pitcher I felt I was in equal competition with the batter, as we ended our trial, our board of directors voted to go back to 0-0 count, they knew it sped up the game and created less HRs. However, they are traditional players and not Pitchers. On my Tourney team, the Animals, we have pitchers who, when get an 0-2 count end up going full wasting extra pitches. This does not make friends with the outfielders at all, especially when the temp is around 100. They play 1-1 at all Big League Dreams and they sure don't have s shortage of teams... I know we probably won't go 1-1 in SSUSA, but I'm sure going to try to get it in my local association.. See you guys on the Field!!!! Don Angle Animals |
| Oct. 27, 2016 maskedman Men's 60 51 posts | I don't like any rule that give the hitter another excuse for hitting middle.Home run limits and the 1-1 count are two prime examples |
| Oct. 27, 2016 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Can't recall this ever being brought up. But a middle of the road and much better than 1\1. Good for me. |
| Oct. 27, 2016 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | It's been a hitters game for years. Still will be unless you change pitch movement and or height. some of us hit middle as common place, I do. Many others do it as well and some are better than others. Been hit as a pitcher also so I do know how it is. |
| Oct. 28, 2016 bkb555 301 posts | we did our fall league 1-1 with a screen......games lasted 1.5 hours tops....some were shorter and the reason we knew this is because the sun went away and there were no lights on the field....it takes a little getting used to but 1-1 definitely sped up our games......the screen was probably hit less than 10 times in the 8 games our team alone played...there were 3 other teams so I would say middle shots were way down also for their games.....I always said to go the other way in balls and strikes in a 0-0 count...3 balls is a walk and 3 strikes is an out |
