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| July 13, 2016 curty Men's 60 187 posts | oddities @ tournament first: player 1 runs for a batter (b8) as a courtesy runner at the beginning of an inning. At his turn at bat (b1), later in the inning, a pinch hitter replaces him in the line up. Ph gets a single. b1 then re-enters the game, replaceing ph @ first base. We're still discussing this 3 days later!! My thought is that this involved 2 different scenarios, both executed properly- courtesy runner once, re-entry legally. Anybody? Dave? second: 2 runners attempting score ( inside the park homer situation) and are about 3 feet apart as throw comes to the plate- beating both runners who have crossed the commitment line. Front runner ruled out, Rear runner returns to 3b & was deemed safe there.. no argument or discussion followed! My thought was double play. Anybody, again? third: runner caught in rundown between home and third. After crossing commitment line as he is chased down, third baseman applies slap tag resulting in stumbling falling runner "sliding" head first to home plate. He touched the plate at the end of his dive. Ruling was safe from tag but out because he entered batters box & slide @ home. I think play should have been ruled dead @ tag beyond commitment line. 0nce again ???, Each of theses happened at a recent tourney |
| July 13, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | Curty,can't help you with #1 second, I would think both runners are out. Once you cross the commitment line can't go back to 3rd, so I agree with you. third, Once he is tagged, run should score, dead ball, again I agree with you. |
| July 13, 2016 JBTexas Men's 70 434 posts | Curty, player is re-entering the game legally not as a courtesy runner so should be good. Both runner are out due to passing commitment line, should be DP. |
| July 13, 2016 JBTexas Men's 70 434 posts | #3- runner is safe no tags allowed once he has crossed commitment line. Dead ball once tag was made anything that happen as results of tag doesn't count. |
| July 13, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | Curty, looking at the rules for #3, not a dead ball, it is a live ball. |
| July 13, 2016 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | Curt ... Looks like the group/consensus got all three right, in direct contrast to the umpire(s) ... 1. Legal courtesy runner and legal re-entry ... Good to go ... 2. Double Play ... A runner may NOT under any circumstances return to the 3B side of the commitment line without being declared out ... This is also a live ball situation ... 3. Safe at Home and run scores ... Tag on the Home side of the commitment line is an automatic "safe" call and run scored ... Ball is live, as mentioned ... Please tell us this wasn't all in one game with the same umpire! |
| July 14, 2016 curty Men's 60 187 posts | dave- tourney director was called, but while discussing the first situation, I, as manager for offended team agreed with umpire's ultimate decision to allow runner to re-enter & ( to the chagrin of my own players)continue game. short time later it was announced that runner should have been out( can't run twice) by director- which completed my fall from grace! second scenario was by an umpire of very early years, who responded to the question " where's 5" with the comment " who cares?" Third was experienced ump in AA game. both teams accepted his decision. Thanks for clarification on all. |
