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Discussion: WESTERN NATIONALS

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July 13, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1809 posts
WESTERN NATIONALS
It would be nice to know where we are playing since these venues are so far apart.
July 13, 2016
DaveDowell
Men's 65
2561 posts
That's priceless! ... After the public arse-whuppin' I took when venues had to change, completely outside of our control, for the NorCal Championships, there's not a snow ball's chance in Sacramento in July that I'll be posting before I know ... No guessing this time, not even educated ones! .. But thanks for asking ... Hilarious!
July 13, 2016
Omar Khayyam
1289 posts
Dave, Dbax does have a good point. The southern and northern parks are more than 50 miles apart which is an hour to and hour and half driving, depending on traffic. However, we empathize with your situation after the last fiasco on the part of some irresponsible rec departments.
July 13, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1809 posts
Glad to cheer you up. You know, if they were in Aurora, where they should be, everyone would know where to stay.
July 13, 2016
marcster13
90 posts
I agree as well. How are travelers supposed to plan? Anyone else notice hotel specials expire before we know which park our age/division will be playing? Doh!
July 14, 2016
DaveDowell
Men's 65
2561 posts
Essentially the same answer as above: We will post when we know, which will be within a day or two following the entry deadline ... That's at the close of business next Tuesday, July 19th ... We won't likely be "guessing" prior to then ... (Omar: The irresponsibility wasn't just limited to rec. departments last time ... The anonymous-keyboard-courage crew here also influenced this little tweak in the timing)

July 14, 2016
SMOKE707
10 posts
if they were in Aurora everyone would know where to stay
AT HOME
July 14, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1809 posts
Now that's funny! No comparison.
July 14, 2016
JBTexas
Men's 65
380 posts
Anyone who thinks Sac town is on the same footing as Aurora is from California. Better fields, cheaper flights and a lot more to do. total team attending from other then California states would double if held in Colorado and no I don't live there. Just easier to get to from Texas, Okla. Kansas.etc. But this is beating a dead horse to death, won't change any time soon.
July 14, 2016
JBTexas
Men's 65
380 posts
Sorry, another point if playing in Aurora we would know were you would playing, all the fields in one place.
July 14, 2016
Enviro-Vac
Men's 65
454 posts
Reserve several hotels and cancel the hotel you don't want once the schedule is available.
July 14, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
JBTexas,

here some facts that you might have missed.

2012 Western Nationals in Aurora Co
89 Teamsto
14 Teams from OK,KS,MO,TX
15 Teams from CA

2015 Western National in Sacramento Ca
122 Teams
3 Teams from OK,KS,MO,TX
90 Teams from CA

Yeah I guess your right SSUSA should lose money to make you happy a why worry about the 90 teams from CA.
July 14, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
33 teams x $570.00 = $18,810.00

It is a private business unless they recently change to a Non-Profit organization.

LOL
July 15, 2016
JBTexas
Men's 65
380 posts
Lee, sorry I thought it said western Nationals not California national but guess I was wrong.
July 15, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
JbTexas,

I am pretty sure CA is in the west and it does say western nationals, so all teams west of the Mississippi are invited. If I was to fishing, I would fish in the pond with the biggest and most fish.

Look at the teams, when the tournament is played in CA, 13 40 teams which equates out to a 2 day tournaments reducing field cost.
You do understand this is privately owned business designed to make a profit.

We as players choose whether to play or not, SSUSA chooses where they believe will provide the best tournament or product that will produce the maximum revenue. So I believe if Aurora was the location to do those 2 things, they would do so.

Oh I did forget it is much easier for you. So I hope you will be in Sacramento.

JMHO
July 15, 2016
16wood
Men's 65
76 posts
Lee Lee,
I don't disagree with your point on the comparative numbers. But as to the tax paying structure of SSUSA, the following is an excerpt from Dave Dowell on June 30.


[1] We are a health and welfare benefit based non-profit corporation (since 1989) and, accordingly, do not expose our players to risk of injury from any sources, including weather

Granted, it's taken out of context but it does state the status of SSUSA and that it is the same status its had since 1989.
If I lived in the midwest I'd prefer that an event be held closer to home as well.
We'd go to more of the other assn events if they were closer to us.
BW
July 15, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
16wood,

That makes me laugh we all know that isn't the case. I do understand you wanting to play close to home, I believe most of us do. We all know you can't please everyone.

July 15, 2016
16wood
Men's 65
76 posts
Lee Lee, I do not disagree on that point either... my previous post was partly 'tongue in cheek'... but DD did put that out there.
I've played in Aurora, CO, and it is a fantastic place to place. All of the things that JB (and DBax) said about it are true.
When it was moved to Sacramento in 2013, SSUSA added in the part about division winners assuming no 1 or 2 seeds in LV. I don't know the full impact this makes on attendance but I do believe it increases it to some degree.
The biggest impact is that there are just a lot of CA teams to draw from. IMO, Sacramento is a nice place to play as well, other than the oppressive heat at times...
BW
July 15, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
16wood,

Yes the heat is miserable and the complexes are spread-out.

Good Luck to all whether you show up or not.
July 15, 2016
Jerry820
Men's 60
49 posts
I have Extra Hotel Rooms in Sacramento at the Hilton Arden West. I have 3 extra rooms available for $95.00 per day with free parking. If anybody needs these room fell free to contact me at ote_525@yahoo.com or call my cell 951-867-8650 anytime. I will hold them until July 28th until 5:00pm Pacific Time. Good Luck to all the teams.

Jerry Smith
July 15, 2016
Jerry820
Men's 60
49 posts
I meant to say rooms sorry

Jerry Smith
July 15, 2016
Jerry820
Men's 60
49 posts
Those rooms are for August 1 thru August 4th. I'm on a roll tonight.

Jerry Smith
July 19, 2016
JCColorado
8 posts
Understanding my bias, there were only 91(compared to 89 in Aurora in 2012) teams in 2011 when it was in Sacramento. There are lots of factors in trying to compare locations especially when it is only moved for one year. Besides CA has lots of tournaments already.
July 19, 2016
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1216 posts
really pretty simple... 50 miles =s 50 min... get your room smack in the middle and have a 20 to 25 min ride at most.. problem solved! Thought Dave D would of thought of this for you guys already!
July 19, 2016
TAT22
54 posts
If you really want to be fair as to a good location for Western nationals and it is for teams from WEST of the Mississippi, then geographically speaking it should be in Utah or Colorado that way you would really find out how many Cali teams would travel for it, my guess is half would drop out.
July 19, 2016
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1216 posts
tat22, fair is a reality if everything being equal.. you put the Tourney in the location for most success(where more teams show up)! If I was living in a smaller state with little or no teams, I would expect to travel!
California is a big state and even teams in Cali have to travel and rent rooms!
July 19, 2016
TAT22
54 posts
Swing, we do travel, every month except one! And yes we have to fly to 95% of the tourneys. rent rooms, rent cars! Unfortunately we are not within driving distance to a lot of the tourneys like Cali is, and we also aren't able to play senior tourneys in our backyard not enough teams per division like Cali,

So to have a WESTERN tourney outside of the state of Cali shouldn't be a big deal to Cali teams
July 19, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
TAT22

Do you think having the tournament lets say in CO, that it will draw at least 50 more teams not including CA teams?

It just makes sense for SSUSA to hold the tournament in their backyard, they make more money it is just so simple.

July 19, 2016
NYGNYY
98 posts
Not measuring apples to apples but if you look at the past Rocky Mountain Tournaments held in CO not one CA team showed up in 2015.
It would be nice to see some CA teams attend this year. That would be a good first step in seeing if CO could draw CA teams for the Western Nationals
July 20, 2016
Webbie25
Men's 65
2260 posts
You can be your sweet bippy that if Aurora were designated Western Nationals that a lot of the California teams would show up. Just sayin'.....
July 20, 2016
TAT22
54 posts
LeeLee50, that's the part I don't understand about Cali teams it seems they would rather play the same Cali teams in California month after month than travel to say Utah or Colorado and play teams from east of Cali
July 20, 2016
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1216 posts
Tat22, like all of us, if you have great competition in your own backyard why bother to spend extra $$$$ to go elsewhere... we are blessed in CA that there are 39plus million to draw from to have great competition... So the Idea of traveling to play less teams than are in are own area is not appealing!
July 20, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
TAT22,

we travel every weekend and we do see the same teams over and over but at Westerns we see a lot a of new teams Socal, WA, OR and AZ. We only have 11-13 teams in our division in the Nation anyway, so he traveling to CO to see the same teams we see every weekend doesn't make sense. Let's be honest there are teams that will travel and there teams that don't and it isn't going to change by playing CO. You are going to pick up a few teams with in the surrounding area and your not going to get the 50 some teams from CA.

SSUSA fishes in the pond that has the most fish not the one the has the most beautiful scenery.

JMHO
July 20, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1809 posts
Ok, here's a great reason to have this tournament in Aurora and not Sacramento. YOU ARE IN DENVER! No offense.😄
July 20, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
Now I got it, it is a AWSOME reason.
July 20, 2016
TAT22
54 posts
Yes, I live in Colorado, but that has no bearing for me to have the Western tourney here. I would like to see the Western tourney change location say every 2 years. Let's play it in WA, OR, UT, ID. I don't like playing in SAC, it gets to hot and the facilities aren't that great!
July 20, 2016
Omar Khayyam
1289 posts
I don't doubt Aurora has beautiful and well-maintained facilities. I wanted to play there the last time it was in Aurora, but only a third of our team was interested. Swing for the fences has it right—in California there are 273 SSUSA teams from men's 40s through 80s, and there is lots of fun competition right in the state with tournaments almost every weekend.

Of course you play the same teams most of the time. Even the welcomed Scrap Iron teams come west from Colorado often enough to be familiar teams. But in Reno, recently, we ended up in our bracket playing California teams that we already knew, rather than a lot of new out-of-state teams.

The reality is that SSUSA has those 273 teams, but Colorado, for example, has 19 teams! I know a western regional in Colorado would draw more outside teams, but evidently not enough to overcome the many California teams that already play in the tournament here and aren't willing to travel to Aurora. It's a 17 hour drive from Sacramento to Denver, for example, and surprisingly expensive to fly considering the low fuel costs. Nope, the Western Regionals will likely be in Sacramento for the foreseeable future.
July 20, 2016
TAT22
54 posts
Omar, like I said before, I was not petitioning for the Western tourney to held in CO, but there are other places it could be held with better facilities and less heat! Let's face it, August in Sacramento is close to if not above 100 degrees, I know I used to live in NORCAL. I'm simply suggesting that there be OTHER locations to be considered.

I also understand you guys have the most teams in Cali, which coincides with your large population. I am also thankful to SSUSA that we have a tourney here, much appreciated.
July 20, 2016
FOFO
Men's 55
250 posts
Even if you leave in in NORCAL there has to be better facilities somewhere. What ever happened to Twin Creeks in Sunnyvale. Used to play a lot of tournaments there. Nice place, all fields in one location. Seems like they could find a better spot.
July 20, 2016
FOFO
Men's 55
250 posts
All those California teams must be staying home. Looked at the Team list and there are 5 total 55 Major Teams. Not much of a turn-out. Could have done better than that in Aurora.............
July 20, 2016
Joncon
328 posts
I think all tournaments should be in Phoenix.

At Rose Mofford park please.



Also, no games before 9AM.

While you're at it, temps need to be 70-75
July 20, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1809 posts
Omar, with that reasoning, let's just have all tournaments in. Sacramento.
July 20, 2016
Omar Khayyam
1289 posts
Dubai, remember that I was one who WANTED to go to Aurora, but I could not convince enough of my teammates. We haven't even gone to Oregon the last two years. As Swing said, there is plenty of competition here already and guys don't need to travel for it.
July 20, 2016
LeeLee50
140 posts
Until you find a new way to generate revenue we will be playing in Sacramento. I don't get it they are a business and their goal is to maximize profit, until they come up with a better plan this mostly will not change.
July 24, 2016
Cuervo13
27 posts
Twin creeks in Sunnyvale California has been completely renovated in terms of facilities and management.

All tours fields reconfigured to allow soccer, flag football and kickball. Yes I said kickball. Monday through Friday it's run by dynamic sports and they run Softball leagues along with all the sports I mentioned above

Saturday and Sunday's twin creeks found that adults don't spend money so roughly 45 - 50 weekends a year it's travel ball softball and hardball.

Pretty sad that a very nice complex isn't used by adults but economic 101 win over and now Bay Area softball players have to travel to Hayward Pleasanton Fremont and further to play.
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