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Aug. 29, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Colin Kaepernick
Would love to hear opinions. Mine is, he has every right not to stand up. And I have every right to consider him a douchebag!
Aug. 29, 2016
D.W
5 posts
LET HIM GO FIGHT FOR OUR FLAG IN A WAR ..HE'D HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF EXPRESS HIMSELF.. HE'S FREE BECAUSE BRAVE MEN LOST THEIR LIFE FOR OUR FLAG AND WHAT IT STAND FOR... HE SHOULD TAKE SOME OF THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HE MAKES SEATING ON THE BENCH AND HELP HIS COMMUNITY....IT NOT A PERFECT WORLD BUT, THIS IT THE BEST COUNTRY TO LIVE IN PERIOD.....
Aug. 29, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
DC, What a POS kaepernick is. He sounds so unintelligent when he tries to explain why he wants to disrespect the national anthem and flag.

I'm amazed on how he plays quarterback and reads defenses when he is so uneducated. But then again, he is probably going to be the backup. I'm betting my retirement salary he couldn't pass a FATS simulator.

I'll bet his adoptive white parents are so proud................

Aug. 29, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Lol! Keith, yours was the response I was waiting for. Take a deep breath buddy. He is a POS!
Aug. 29, 2016
Fabe
Men's 60
401 posts
I was thinking if every police officer in everty state took two days off, how would this country look like? Freedom is not free! People are paying for our rights every day. Wonder what this man playing a little boys game is sacrificing for the rights of others? Prayn for my great nation we are headed down the path of chaos! An Island Boy who loves God n his nation...Aloha, Fabe
Aug. 29, 2016
titanhd
Men's 50
545 posts
What difference does the color of his parents make Benji4? Would it make a difference if it was Tom Brady? (who has two white parents).Not sure of your motivation to make that type of statement. In this case it's not race of parents wheather white or black.

It's RED -WHITE and BLUE!!!
Aug. 29, 2016
Wayne 37
Men's 60
599 posts
Dear Benji4,

Are your white parents still alive or did they die from their disappointment in you?

Would it make you feel better if he wore a do-rag OF a flag on his head like the redneck wannabe yuppie from Duck Dynasty?

YEESH.

P. S. ~ Enclosed in the mail to you is a check for the sum of one U. S. dollar. This will enable you in the purchase of a new personality so you might readily dispose of the cheap one that you so proudly flaunt to the dismay of any educated person of any race, creed or color.

YOU'RE DISMISSED!!!!
Aug. 29, 2016
mad dog
Men's 65
4171 posts
colin is just doing what he thinks is right to highlight the problems we have in this country...and that is that people of color ARE NOT considered equals to the white population....i see it every day as my wife is a person of color and has had vile things said to her by white people....so if this his way so be it....last i knew this was a country of freedom........
Aug. 29, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Oh boy........hear we go.
Aug. 29, 2016
The Screamer5
65 posts
As a military veteran (22 years as a MP) and as a black man, I totally disagree with how he is going about disrespecting our National Anthem and our flag. I would think he would be able to better effect social change and impact all colors of people with the stage he is on more positively than to sit during the National Anthem. I don't know exactly what that accomplishes. It's just not a good look no matter what your perspective. That said, I still have to respect his right to protest in that manner...no matter how much I disagree with him.
Aug. 30, 2016
Bubble Gum
122 posts


Kaperprick obviously thinks Obama's efforts are useless!

If he doesn't want to respect the US flag and/or efforts of our half black President....

He can go play football in Canada if they will take him.

Will anybody miss him?

Aug. 30, 2016
FOFO
Men's 55
250 posts
I believe that not only is he going about his protest the wrong way, I believe that he is protesting the wrong thing. It's not Police Officers killing Blacks that is the problem, It's Blacks killing Blacks at an alarming rate in Cities such as Chicago that is the issue he should be bringing to light. Focus on REAL issues and go about it in a different way.
As a 49er fan I hope they cut him, not because of this ill thought out protest but because he sucks as a Quarterback. Worst decision Harbaugh made was to keep him over Alex Smith.
Aug. 30, 2016
southernson
280 posts
This is not a new issue, it's not like Colin Kaepernick has suddenly alerted America to a problem. All he has done is draw attention to himself....in the wrong way. Parcells, Belechick, or Coughlin would have cut him the next day.

He's a cancer to his team, boo his arse everytime he hits the field. Such a lack of respect and professionalism. Really bush...
Aug. 30, 2016
Capt Kirk
522 posts
Regardless of one's beliefs, the 1st amendment protects all citizens the right to:
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and right to petition.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Capt Kirk
Aug. 30, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
Chill Wayne. I was merely advising people that kaepernicks adoptive parents were white because him playing the race card is wrong. I could care less what color a person is but find another way to express yourself rather than disrespect the flag, cops and the national anthem.

His outright statement about police officers is totally unintelligent and shows he just promotes racism.

Keep your dollar I have a good retirement for 30 years of protecting respectful Americans so they could feel safe living in the United States of America.

Aug. 30, 2016
DandyRandy
1 posts
Kaepernick is a clueless prima donna POS that will only make race matters worse. Maybe he should promote having mandatory classes in school to teach kids how to act when they get arrested or pulled over since many of them do not learn at home how to treat anyone with respect or to act properly in a civilized society. I feel badly for the police that will now be harmed because they will be fearful to react to a doped up banger that blows them away. It is funny how BLM or dickheads like Kaepernick, Jesse Jackson and Sharpton never mention the horrifying Black on Black murder numbers in Chicago.
Aug. 30, 2016
mad dog
Men's 65
4171 posts
and so dandy...why do you think that is so....all the great schools they get to go....all the great freedoms they have.....all the great profiling they get from the cops....please enlighten us of why they are doing so.....oh maybe it was b/c the CIA promoted drug sales so they could have their war on drugs in the inner cities.....thank reagen for that.....so again enlighten us.....
Aug. 30, 2016
jimperry19
41 posts
Senior softball bats are pretty hot. Do you guys agree?
Aug. 30, 2016
LP
317 posts
Anyone that disrespects the American FLAG or our national Anthem in my opinion should just move to another country if they are dissatisfied with America. For they are spitting in the face of the men and women that have died for there Freedom.
Aug. 30, 2016
16wood
Men's 65
76 posts
I believe that CK is sincere in his actions. A lot of people have fought and died in order to give him/us the freedom to speak out.
I personally wish he'd use a different method but this is what he's chosen. In doing so, he does bring attention to the issue but it needs more than mere attention.
I agree with almost everything said in this thread as it is a multi-faceted problem with no clear solution.
One thing I don't agree with is the part about CK being a POS... he may be choosing the wrong avenue but he is not a POS. In his press conference I did not get the sense that he is unintelligent.
BW
Aug. 30, 2016
AJC
Men's 60
121 posts
I think in Colin's mind he thinks he's trying to help and bring more attention to the issue but is he ? There has to be many other avenues he could choose rather than the one he has chosen. It seems to be disrespectful to everyone who has put on a uniform and helped protect our country.

I don't think he is a POS either, I think he's just not very bright. He's shown that on the field. His passer rating has gone down almost 10 points a year the last 3 years. He's totally regressed as a qb because he can't process information quick enough. The 9rs have had some great qbs in the past ( Brodie, Tittle, Young and of course Montana ), Colin will never be mentioned in the same sentence as any of those guys. The guy no doubt has all the physical skills to be great, it's his head that gets in the way of him being a good qb. This has gotten way to much air time in the bay area. A year from now we will be saying " Colin who ".
Aug. 30, 2016
armiho211
Men's 70
445 posts
A lot of good men & women have made the ultimate sacrifice to provide the citizens of this country to express their feelings in any way they please, good or bad.....

As a hispanic born in this country, i just dont see how anybody cannot respect the flag or respect the country they live in. This country is not perfect, but it is much closer to perfection than any country in this world.. if a person does not agree with that observation, and is UNHAPPY living here , THERE IS NO ANCHOR TIED TO THEIR BUTTS, GO TRY IT SOME OTHER PLACE..

MY .02C ....
Aug. 30, 2016
Rightrj
Men's 50
57 posts
Wow you old men are hard on CK!

I think he's gotten his point across just from the attention on this board!

Dandy Randy created a new profile, just so no one would call out his racist statements! (i would guess in person..LOL) Don't worry Randy, no harm will come to the police from CK's statements.

That was his whole point, no one is holding them accountable for their ILLEGAL actions! You are safe!

CK choose his own platform to make HIS own statements, just like us OLD guys on this board.

Its kinda like that guy on everyone's team that can Hit, but doesn't know how to Hit and if you can't figure it out, guess what? you're that guy! LOL

Let's play Ball guys, leave the politics to the "Orange Chico"
Aug. 30, 2016
L.Martin
Men's 50
47 posts
I personally have shed blood in combat over my 25 years in the military, and have had good friend pay the ultimate price and I can say this without Hesitation, I'm glad he is exercising his right to stand for what he believes in because it lets me know that my 25 years in the military and the lives of my friends were not in vain. Do I agree with the way he is doing it, hell no but that is his right I and many others provided for him. I personally blame the media for this firestorm hade they not paid any attention to him no one wouldn't have known anything about it now it's everywhere why because the media Stokes this fire.
Aug. 30, 2016
AJC
Men's 60
121 posts
So true L. Martin. The media keeps this story in the forefront. It currently dominates the sports news here, why......because they say controversy and negative sells. I don't know anyone who wants to hear anymore on the this story. Wait til the 9rs game on Thursday against the Chargers, every camera will be on Colin during the national anthem.
Aug. 30, 2016
DOLFAN
81 posts
F this guy...I served my country for 23 years in the Military. Sometimes I don't always agree with what happens in this country....BUT I WOULD NEVER DISREPECT MY COUNRTY!! I reserve the right to tell this a-hole to go F#$k Himself!! and "Frankly my dear, I don't give a Damn" what anyone else thinks!!!
Aug. 30, 2016
Wayne 37
Men's 60
599 posts
Oxymoron of the day. Colin Kaepernick wants to make America great. Donald Trump tells him if he doesn't like it he should find an another country. Donald Trump wears a hat that says make America great again.................What? 1950's great? There are several racist policemen, military, and ex-military so I fail to see the point of disrespect.

I've yet to hear any of them protest a KKK parade down the middle of Main St waving Old Glory. Then you have that redneck wannabe yuppie on Duck Dynasty wearing a flag as a do-rag. Where is the outrage there? And what about those outlaw drug dealing, stealing biker gangs sporting the flag like they're real patriots? Somebody stop me before I get too carried away.

And by the way, the military is the biggest "socialist" program going today. How many of them apply for subsidized housing, food stamps, and medical. Hate Obamacare, then you hate the Veteran's Administration healthcare program too. Let's not forget the free college tuition. That's right, it is Socialism 101. Those are my tax dollars at work. I expect more bang for my buck.

Then you have those with Agent Orange, the Pat Tillman coverup and all the reported rapes and assaults on female military personnel that the higher ups never do anything about. Wait, then there is David Petraeus leaking classified material to his cheating on her husband biographer, Paula Broadwell. Who does he think he is, Hillary Clinton? The military isn't sounding so hot from where I sit.

I could probably write a novel about the police and their itchy trigger fingers. However, the one that sticks out in my mind the most happened in Cleveland not long ago. A police officer rolls up on an eleven-year-old Tamir Rice and shoots him. A police call came in that a black man was holding a gun in a park. Would they have shot a white man in cold blood? Didn't the cop know that Ohio is an open carry state? The real topper is the city of Cleveland sending a bill to the parents of the slain lad for his ambulance ride to the hospital where he pronounced dead on arrival. What happened to Officer Barney Fife, Jr? Apparently nothing. He must just drive around all day in his police car playing with the siren and occasionally looking at the bullet they let him carry in his pocket.

I'll be waiting with bated breath when all you ex-military, ex-policemen, etc. go off the deep end about the above I just mentioned. Those are the people and things that make y'all look bad, not Colin Kaepernick.




Aug. 30, 2016
Wayne 37
Men's 60
599 posts
Hey, DOLFAN, that door swings both ways. Anybody that wants my respect really needs to earn it. Calling someone an a-hole and telling them to go F#$k themselves doesn't cut it for me.

Learn to play well with others, and they might learn to play well with you.
Aug. 31, 2016
STL0
Men's 55
161 posts
I think it is this simple. No one will get respect (or attention to their issue) when the way it is protested is disrespectful. The attention shines on the act of disrespect as opposed to the issue.
Aug. 31, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
Hey Wayne a couple of things:

You probably shouldn't believe everything the Media and Obama tell you. Both lie very often. Get all the facts straight before you pop off.

More white criminals have been killed by cops than black criminals.
It's called voluntary compliance and if you don't want to give it and you are a threat actions happened. Are there some instances where cops are wrong, of course, but a lot less than the media and Obama want you to believe.

Lastly if America is so bad move to Iraq and see how that works for ya... You and Kaepernick can be roommates.

Sorry you couldn't pass the test to get into the military or law enforcement but there is a small percentage of people who have the balls to do those jobs.

Go back to your office job and get your Hillary early ballot filled out and you will be okay.

Benji
Aug. 31, 2016
HAT MAN
Men's 40
197 posts
lots of thought here. The irony is none of this matters to each other. When it comes to race and individual beliefs no one will change your mind, at lease not on a softball board. As a majority we have become accustomed to use an action or a statement and define it to meet our belief. All I see is peoples life experiences influencing one mans actions. With all these posts on here the majority relate to personal life experiences and biases to create their "I'm going to prove you wrong" post. No matter what the topic anyone can find the other side to it.
some post hey colin if you dont like it get out. Why do you have to leave because you dislike something? This country would be empty if that was law.
Some say he isn't a POS because he is speaking his mind and standing up. Well he is anything any person wants to call him, and a softball thread wont change that.
Some say he lost my respect or wont get my respect. He never asked for it
Some say he got his point across, look at everyone talking about it. No everyone is talking about his action (sitting) this thread as well as many others in social media spend 90% on his action and impact and 10% on the intended message.
Some use deflection to get their point across. Colin's point is disparity and not of inter race conflict. So whenever you start to lose in a debate you find something else that helps your cause.
Some say he is disrespecting the military by sitting down. So my challenge to all that say that even after he said he wasn't is... can you honestly say every time you hear the Anthem you are standing, you are quiet, you have your hand over your heart or saluting? I am willing to bet the answer is no. The superbowl party and you had to get your seat for the party, the ballgame where you whispered to someone but it was real quick though.

My thoughts are this.... if Colin wants change find a better way to do it, he has millions of dollars. Run a 60 second commercial every time the 49s play. God know i would rather see that then another Sara Mclachlan dog video. when your in a position of fame the avenues are endless, in my opinion he didn't use any of them. As far as his point I agree its an issue, one of many in this country. I will always stand by law enforcement, I will always stand by this country and I will always stand by equality. None of my beliefs will change the world we live in. All threads like this do is create more disparity among us. Their are bad people in this world of all race, creed and religions, teach the youth not to be one of them. Hate is taught not a gene they inherit. SEE YA ALL AT WORLDS!!!!
Vinny
Voodoo Sports
Aug. 31, 2016
HAT MAN
Men's 40
197 posts
and this thread should let you edit spelling mistakes....LOL
Aug. 31, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
Vinny you just took all the fun out of it. Damnit.....hahahaha

Bring me a cigar to vegas and I'll trade a beer on freemont street for it.
Aug. 31, 2016
jfsully
52 posts
https://polination.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/booker-t-washington-quote.jpg
Aug. 31, 2016
jfsully
52 posts
In case you dont want to click on the link:

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."


Booker T Washington - 1911
Aug. 31, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Wayne37.....You have crossed the line! Leave Barney Fife out of this.
Aug. 31, 2016
FOFO
Men's 55
250 posts
Man,
Reading this thread only confirms what I have suspected all along We have some CRAZY MFERS playing Senior Softball. Quite entertaining. My favorite so far was MADOG and the "oh maybe it was b/c the CIA promoted drug sales so they could have their war on drugs in the inner cities.....thank reagen for that.....so again enlighten us.....". Classic.
And DBAX you're right. Bringing Barney in is going too far
Aug. 31, 2016
Wayne 37
Men's 60
599 posts
Oh, Benji. You don't have the rationale to ascertain that I'm an educated person and you're not. FYI ~ You don't have to have balls to go into the military or law enforcement. Hence, the women that do the same job.

Coming out of high school I had a Marine recruiter call me once a week. The reason. Because I made excellent grades and I was a leader. To readily digress, I had a few ex-military tell me not to sign up......simple as that.

As for law enforcement, I'm not especially fond of donuts. I seriously doubt many of the old-timers could pass a fitness for duty test, and the new ones today are so jacked up on speed or steroids it is pathetic. And since when did it take balls to shoot an unarmed person being held down on the ground? Why is it people like you want the responsibility, but none of the accountability? That's where the problem lies.

Would you be like Darren Wilson? Wilson murdered a young black man, lie about it, and then run like a scalded dog to who knows where.
Why in the hell would an innocent man, especially a sworn officer of the law, just vanish into to thin air? Perhaps the reason being, a Go Fund Me page raised $250,000 for his legal fees for which he never needed as he wasn't indicted. Also, he was able to procure approximately the same sum for an interview. Image that, a cool half mil for murdering a citizen.

The Police Department in Ferguson, Mo. had persistently and repeatedly violated the constitutional rights of African Americans, jailing them for minor offenses far more often than whites, using traffic stops to arrest them disproportionately and subjecting them to excessive force, a Justice Department investigation has concluded.

The investigation portrayed a city in which police dogs were set upon blacks but not whites and where blacks were seven times more likely to be subjected to force than whites, according to a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation’s findings.

I do find your classic comeback of "Don't believe the lies Obama tell you and if you don't like it move to Iraq" amusing if not trite in nature. You, sir, are a classic example of the systematic dumbing down of America. If you don't like it, I sure Obama has a bed with your name on it at the FEMA Hotel nearest you.

As I concluded this broadcasting day with the playing of the National Anthem in the background as in the olden day of television, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that you are a knob!
Aug. 31, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Makes sense now......for a woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/08/30/kaepernick-social-media-posts-laud-black-lives-matter-black-panthers-since-dating-activist-dj.html
Aug. 31, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
Wayne you proved my point. You are obviously misinformed about Darren Wilson. Just believe what the media wants you to believe. I personally know Ferguson Missouri cops so once again you are misinformed.

I said not all cops make good decisions but it is a fraction of what people like you believe due to media and Obama statements.

I don't really like donuts either and have about 8% body fat. Cops aren't allowed to take steroids or speed as your stated conspiracy theories. They drug test routinely and would be fired.

I have worked with some very good women police officers who were capable of doing the job. So my statement of having balls was wrong I should have said guts. So basically you didn't have the GUTS to join the military or law enforcement. You are obviously weak because your friends made up your mind for you.

I encourage you to go to your local police department and sign up for the citizens academy. You will get to do the Firearms simulator scenarios. I guarantee you will fail either shooting an unarmed person or getting shot and killed yourself. It's obvious you will fail making split second decisions because you are such a good Monday morning quarterback.

lastly I have always been accountable for my actions and so have every other police officer. If we make the wrong split second decision we pay the price and probably more because of misinformed people like you. Wouldn't trade my 30 years despite the bullet hole, stab wounds, medical issues and PTSD I suffer from, because then people like you wouldn't be able to call me names and feel good about themselves.

Take care brother.


Aug. 31, 2016
marcster13
90 posts
I will not question if it's his right or not to belittle the country that gave him the opportunity to get ahead or to belittle the police who protect him and his loved ones. I do want to say this is a ploy between him and his agent. He is a crappy qb who is going downhill. I think this is a ploy to guilt what remaining sponsors he has and any team relevance he has to keep this guy around. Can't help but it's a selfish thing to make sure he gets paid still.
Sept. 1, 2016
Dem2
4 posts
This is what I find interesting, I have most of these posts and it almost makes CK points, people have got on here and belittled the man, called him unintelligent and a few other things. But this is what generally happens when someone brings up something that is not popular, We talk about everything except what the issue is. This man has taken a peaceful approach to something he perceives to be a problem, whether you agree with him or not, his first amendment right gives him that ability to do so. It doesn't matter how much money he makes or if he has served in the military. There are clowns on TV everyday that have been voted into various elected position that have said and do far worst and there is not a peep said. I served 22 years in the military and have no problem with him voicing his opinion because we are all afforded that right. But everyone is on here calling the man all kinds of names and questioning his intelligence which none of you know anything about, being the greatest QB doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you a good QB. I know a lot of great softball players that are great players but complete idiots. LOL Bottom Line Freedom of Speech is just that. Don't attack people personally because you don't agree with them
Sept. 2, 2016
Wayne 37
Men's 60
599 posts
In what countries is it required that everybody stand up for the National Anthem? I'll go first. North Korea.
Sept. 3, 2016
AJC
Men's 60
121 posts
Spin it how you want but who goes to any event player or fan and purposely sits during the national anthem? The other day Colin is wearing socks at practice with a pig wearing a police hat. Let me ask this, if he is at home at night and hears a couple of guys trying to break in that have guns, who's he going to call ?

As for which country do you have to stand for the national anthem, I'd guess Cuba also, wasn't that Colin wearing a Fidel shirt the other day ?

To most 9er fans, Colin has become a distraction that is way overpaid and could divide the locker room. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 9rs cut him later today and eat the 14 mil he is do this year.

Sept. 5, 2016
Webbie25
Men's 65
2257 posts
Wow.
Wayne-I am an independent that has been attacking political polarization and the liberal media bias for years. I also served in the Marine Corps. First, I don't quite understand your reason for not enlisting. It was a positive and solid experience in my life. But, that was your choice and I respect that. I voted for Johnson in 2012, Perot, Anderson, and Nader in hopes that someday we would get smart and bust the stranglehold of the 2 self-serving political parties that will inflame the population for their own gain, at the expense of the welfare of the United States. The ‘spin’ can be subtle, but powerful. They polarize their beliefs-seemingly always opposite no matter what it is- and it effectively preserves the 2 party system, and it leaves us with only 2 choices, and the 'other side is evil and the world will end' if we dare vote against their party.
I was born in 1952 near Detroit, and was still living near Detroit in 1968 when the race riots happened there-too close for comfort. The racial situation was very bad then, and much good ultimately came from the riots, the hard way. I grew up in an area that was at least half black. I got knocked out in high school by a black guy just because I was white. I was walking down the hall to class and never saw it coming, and woke up in the infirmary. But I did not blame ALL black people for that. It never crossed my mind. People are people to me and I accept them for who they are. But we must never forget that there is, of course, much more work to be done.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

Wayne, I get to Southern California and it is amazing what I read there in the papers. You are pounded daily with nothing but liberal media bias and never see the other side of the issue. They have inflamed you and many others about Ferguson, and when you are relentlessly exposed to that extent, you begin believing it-to your core being. I have attached the link to the 2 reports about Ferguson. You have connected them as if they were one problem. That is what the media did. To me, unquestionably, they should be addressed SEPARATELY. BOTH reports are from the same Department of Justice that you cite as a creditable source. You cannot discount one just because it goes against what you WANT to believe. If you can read the account of Michael Brown and tell me that if you had been the officer you would have reacted differently, Houston we have a problem. If you read it and dismiss it because you don’t want to believe it or think it was slanted to absolve the officer, we have a bigger problem. If everyone reads the second link and doesn't realize we still do have major problems that need to be addressed, then we have an even bigger problem. Both sides (and there shouldn’t even BE 2 sides) need to get politicians and media out of the way and address this issue. I pray that as a nation we can do that. But the media has blown this thing up to a point that it is so huge it is amazing. They are out to sell print, attract viewers, and build ratings. They have now gotten to the point where they will do anything to do that. Yes, there are things that happen and big problems to fix, but there are also almost 18,000 police forces in the US and relatively few instances of problems. Why do you insist on indicting ALL Police for the actions of a small minority of them? Why do we not hear often enough about the good things cops do EVERY day for people? They handle PCP freaks, meth addicts, strung out people that are so messed up they don’t know what they are doing. They handle a myriad of domestic abuse cases on a daily basis and those can erupt into EXTREME VIOLENCE at any time. Every day they make stops or calls and do not know what they are walking in to. You can train a person forever, and there will be unique things you just can’t train for. And 99+% of the time they do a heck of a great job. They are not allowed to have a ‘bad day’. They are the first to respond to disasters-running towards trouble instead of away. And now they have the added fear that individuals or mobs may be out to randomly kill them the first chance they get. They are afraid they won’t get to go home to THEIR families and loved ones. As I said in my first sentence---WOW.
We, as a people, need to get past the self-serving political parties and the media. Both parties have alternated power for the last 70 years and despite all the rhetoric, neither has accomplished anything, except create increasing divisiveness. The media feels they need to write sensational stuff. What would happen if we were actually working together in a constructive way to solve our problems? They would have nothing to write about. How sad that we are so controlled and inflamed by a media, driven by ratings, that has LEARNED IT CAN CREATE MORE NEWS BY THE WAY IT REPORTS THE NEWS.

Who said in 1961: “Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that.” Answer at the end of the post.

Colin has the right, which many fought for, to protest. At least we used to be a free country. But, I hope instead of being part of inflaming things even worse, he uses his platform to WORK toward a solution. I hope he shows everyone this was more than just a ‘look at me’ moment. He will probably deny it but he IS a 1%’er. He makes more this year than 99% of us will make in our lifetime. How will he use his power and influence…and his money? It is time for some real solutions, and some frank talk on the problems. Colin, do this constructively-you have the podium now. What are your SOLUTIONS, what do you want to ACCOMPLISH, and HOW ARE YOU PERSONALLY GOING TO WORK TOWARD THAT GOAL?

It was Dr. Martin Luther King in 1961. Dr. King saw the entire problem and worked for a solution-NON-VIOLENTLY-across both sides of the issue. Where is the next Dr. King that sees the problem and works to improve it in a peaceful manner? Who, in a position of leadership, will be the one to really step forward and get this dialog going, setting aside the hate and the rhetoric? And if someone does, will the media even allow it or will they destroy him or her?
I pray daily for our country.

Sept. 5, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
Webbie great post and thank you for your service. You are right that cops do good things daily, but good does not sell media exposure. Hate and bias do................
Sept. 5, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Agreed, thanks Mark.
Sept. 6, 2016
stick8
1695 posts
Webbie, can I be your running mate in 2020? 😀
Sept. 6, 2016
AJC
Men's 60
121 posts
Spot on Webbie ! Thanks
Sept. 6, 2016
Wayne 37
Men's 60
599 posts
Dear Webbie25,

I've had what I would call two encounters with the police over the years.

One when I had a bad experience with Ambien. I got stopped by six police cars. My truck searched without my consent where they found some Tylenol in a brown subscription bottle. Thrown forcibly to the ground and cuffed for no apparent reason. I was standing calmly. Thrown in a police cruiser with all the windows up and no air.

They called my wife, who instructed them to take to an area hospital. An ambulance came where she met me there. After some tests, a policeman came into the room where I was. He was told by the attending doctor that they found no illegal drugs in my system. He stormed out in disgust.

On the second occasion, I was umpiring some youth ball on a very hot day. I started to experience some heat-related symptoms. I went into the a/c concession stand to ask for some Gatorade. There I was met loudly and rudely by an idiot that just sits in the concession and lets everyone else do all the work.

Needless to say, an argument broke out. They called the police on me. Again, I was rudely cuffed, thrown in the back of a hot cruiser with no air all the time I was experiencing heat-related symptoms. They then transported me to the police station where I was treated very rudely and thrown in a holding cell. I requested some medical attention. Finally, some EMT's showed up about three hours later and confirmed what I saying.

When the police finally decided to transport me to the 'county hospital' after about three more hours, the officer thought he should take another 30 minutes to gas up his cruiser to transport me. I was taken to the emergency room where I was forced to wait another four hours for medical attention.

After determining that my body was very low on fluids, they admitted me to the floor where gang members are kept. I was handcuffed to the bed rail and was under constant surveillance. I wasn't even able to contact my wife who had no clue as to where they had taken me.

They pumped several bags of fluids in me for most of the day. After they decided they had had enough fun with me, they just left me there with no way to get home, nor a belt and shoes. Since no charges were filed, I was finally able to get in touch with the wife to come pick me up. Lucky for me I was in the same part of the hospital as JFK after he was shot so I got a feeling of nostalgia [sarcasm intended].

When I went to go pick up my belongings from the property room, I counted my money and a sizable amount wasn't there. I was told I could file a claim. When I refused to sign the paper releasing my belongings, I was rudely escorted out by about three cops. I had to go back the next day and signed for my belongings and was able to locate the missing money as they had failed to look where I stashed it. You can only imagine the look on the property clerk's face when I pulled out the money.

Now you might think it is funny, but in reality, I could have died in their custody. It makes me wonder about all the others that die in police custody and if something could have been done to avoid their deaths. If you're behind their bars, they have a strong feeling of superiority. I was never rude to any of the officers, but they were often rude toward me.

You mentioned the biased liberal media. Was there anything they reported that you felt wasn't true, or do you have such a strong belief in your convictions that you feel discriminated against? You can't go through a day without seeing Trump's face plastered everywhere. I see and hear all the fright wing lies daily if I get on social media. Speaking of social media, they didn't notice Kaepernick wasn't standing until the third exhibition game. He didn't stand during the previous two. Also if you have a liberal audience, the papers will usually have a liberal slant.

If anybody should feel disrespected in this country, it is President Obama. I've never read or heard so much BS in all my life directed to one person. They even talk BS about his wife. Why is it the same people that think they are the patriots of America feel it is their undeniable right to slander and libel about their sitting president? If they have a valid complaint, then state it in a civil matter like Kaepernick did in his interview.

I'm not disrespecting all police or military, but they aren't infallible in their actions. You are right when you say this country is going downhill. Remember, though, Republicans hold Congress, the majority of governorships and the legislature of a majority of states. That is the party that has brainwashed the simple minded minions into a frenzy over the poor being the reason they don't have anything. Not to mention, they always claim to be the hardest working people.

It is not a perfect system, but it is the system we've used for well over 200 years. Right now all your "freedoms" are dictated by big money. Koch brothers, NRA, Monsanto, big pharmacy, etc. Since you live in California, you also should be aware that state is the fifth largest economy in the world. Jerry Brown has done a masterful job considering what Arnold left the state with. The same goes for Obama after the Bush administration dine and dash.

On the subject of Michael Brown, three autopsies were done, One by the county medical examiner who couldn't make a clear determination. Two by noted forensics doctor, Michael Badin and the DOD who both ruled the shooting was a homicide. The DOJ investigated Ferguson and found evidence of discrimination. Why all the top dogs in that city resigned.

Personally, if you feel disrespected, I can understand it. However, disrespecting Kaepernick doesn't solve the problem. And you should also remember people like MLK, Medgar Evans and others who were assassinated. It is just a matter of opinion........my opinion is there are a lot of Americans who need to get their s**t together.

I could ramble on forever, but I don't want to further upset the Olsen twins benji4 and Dbax..........LOL




Sept. 6, 2016
Dbax
Men's 60
1803 posts
Wow Wayne, you should have picked a better example than Michael Brown. Read the DOJ invetstigation. Brown punched Wilson in the face while Wilson was still in his patrol car. He then grabbed Wilsons gun when he tried to defend himself. Brown was shot in the hand. The evidence shows it.
The DOJ cleared Wilson. All the evidence cleared him.
Of course Dr. Badin ruled it a homicide. Look up the definition of the word.
Badin also ruled that he was not shot from behind as all those first hand witnesses stated.
Ferguson may have had evidence of discrimination but what does that have to do with Wilson? He had no previous discipline.
Wilson lost his job and did nothing wrong. He is living in St. Louis. He is hiding as you commented due to threats on his life and his families.

Blue Lives Matter
Sept. 6, 2016
Webbie25
Men's 65
2257 posts
Dear Wayne37:
I don’t believe I know you. I have no idea what your ethnicity is, what kind of a person you are, or anything else beyond what I have read here. I know there is intense anger and hate. The accounts of your police experiences are exactly what we need to address in this country so they do not happen again. That is the reason for my comment of reading the second report on Ferguson. If we do not realize that problem exists, we have a bigger problem. In all groups of people, white, black, brown, yellow and red there exists racism. There are many reasons it exists-upbringing probably being the worst. Passing that down to kids falls squarely on the parents. In most cases you are what your upbringing makes you. Some people that are brought up that way realize it is wrong. Others let it intensify their whole life, making no effort to change it. I don’t know the answer to fixing it or overcoming it. I know things are much better than they were before the 1960’s. I also know we have a long way to go. As of now I do not see any real action on the issues, and that bothers me. Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have any real solutions. The urban areas continue to seethe. Throwing money at the problem without a workable plan is not the answer. But, also, both sides have to want it to work. If someone can tell me how to accomplish that, I am all ears.
Wayne, you have your horror stories about police. Will you listen to what Obamacare did to my family and many thousands of hard working Americans that worked all of their lives to get where they were? My wife worked in healthcare for 25 years and worked her way up from secretary to pharmaceutical contract manager by working hard and studying. She was paid pretty well-she would have made what Kaepernick is paid for one year in about 129 years, but it was enough for us to retire on somewhere between 66 and 70, not taking anything from the Government except Social Security, which we PAID FOR all of our lives-fica came out of every check. That is money we have been promised Back AT RETIREMENT. It is NOT an entitlement. But, Obamacare took that job away-and our premiums-that we were FORCED to buy on the exchange- were $654 a month with a $5000 deductible the first year. The second year, with both of us out of work (I was laid off as the Electrical Supply Company I worked for closed its doors), the rate went to $881 a month with the $5000 deductible. After working all of our lives-neither of us could find work at 61 years old. That meant we were into our savings already-that is a rate of $15,000 per year for healthcare alone, plus our living expenses. And that Obamacare premium is increasing every year. By 70 or so we would have been penniless, our retirement gone. I began a business and have worked 80 hour weeks and driven 105,000 miles in 27 months to build it since then, and I think it will be successful, but much more work remains. Is this in any way fair? I would take considerable offense to anybody who said I am not a hard working person. That is the flip side the liberal media will NEVER cover and refuse to admit exists. I am sure there are thousands like us. I have talked to some, so I know we are not alone.
The fact that the Republicans hold Congress now is just another flip-flop from just 4 years ago when the Democrats held both house, and senate, and made things worse, too. Neither side, as I said, has ever really done anything to make things better. All they do is fight each other and blame each other. We need a big time change in politics, but as long as ALL POLITICIANS-DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO GET RICH AT OUR EXPENSE, IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. Everybody thinks their side is never wrong and the other side has caused all the problems, but the one overriding thing is ALL POLITICIANS-DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN-HAVE MADE SURE THEY ARE SET FOR LIFE PERSONALLY. None of them really give a c**p about us, but they make a life for themselves by making you think they do. Do you really think Hillary will fight for you?? I have some real estate on Alpha Centauri for you if you do.
Big business also has many fallacies. Pharmaceutical companies are constantly jacking prices of medication to unbelievable heights. Why? They have to develop new drugs for diseases, better treatments, and that research costs millions and is not cheap. And after they have done the legwork, they are protected for 20 years by copyright laws, and then anyone can copy the formula. It takes about 5 of those years to get them to market. They have to make the millions that each drug costs to develop back in that time. But they save lives, or make life better for the sick and old. You, Wayne, are a senior and you know your medical needs are growing quickly, as are all of ours. It is a catch 22 and we pay the price. Almost the same thing happens to oil companies. It is a boom-bust cycle that drives the industry. It is very popular to say they make too much money. Maybe it seems like they do when the price of oil is high, but in time like during this last year, they are losing unbelievable amounts of money. Many have already gone under or have merged to survive. They cannot just shut down and wait for prices to go back up. We need the energy. They have to operate at a loss. This again is a media choice not to cover that-because it would ruin their carefully built anger in the people about the big oil companies. New Mexico is a disaster economically right now because we are way too dependent on oil and gas. Where would we be without oil and energy? Have you had a temporary blackout recently? You realize quickly how much we ALL depend on that. Alternative energies are not ready yet. Hopefully someday they will be.
As far as disrespecting Obama, do you remember the Democrats disrespecting Bush? It was just as bad for him as it is for Obama. We are back to the politicians again, but the media was into bashing Bush too, much more than they have been into bashing Obama. They need to ALL be replaced with a new lot. I said before this election –‘No Bush, No Clinton’. We have been there and done that and it didn’t work. Here is another example of media bias-very subtle. Trump’s speech on immigration was reported everywhere I saw as ‘divisive, controversial, and contentious’. It would have been more correct to report it as “Trump promises to uphold immigration laws as written in major speech, and fix the situation that we have because the previous 7 presidents did not uphold the law as written.” The media chose to be negative to him in this and every other thing he says. They hate him and have made many others hate him by their reporting. They have made their news, and that is the media bias. It has taken the media way too long to realize how bad Hillary’s transgressions as SOS were. They have successfully covered up what was in those emails by focusing everyone’s attention on who might have hacked her. I can guarantee that if she had been a Republican she would have been in jail right now. That is the media bias I talk about. And I can go on, and on, and on…..
One final point on Michael Brown, but this is the biggest point of the liberal media stoking the fires of hate. I have attached 2 more links. One is the autopsy report. All an autopsy does is determine cause of death. Yes, it does say at the end it was a homicide. The other link is the legal definition of homicide. Homicide is basically the killing of one person by another. However, there is a big distinction between homicide, and CRIMINAL HOMICIDE. There is no doubt the act was homicide, BUT NOWHERE IS IT EVER CALLED CRIMINAL HOMICIDE. The media could have made that distinction clear, but to fan the flames and make news, they never did. This is the tragedy right now-people were led to believe that even the official reports condemned the officer, when that is not the truth. People either don’t know the truth, OR DON’T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. There are police shootings that are unjustified, but they must be taken on an individual basis without lumping ALL Policemen together. We have no chance as a country if we cannot come together on this and other issues.
Until we, as Americans, can handle the whole truth, look honestly at both sides of issues, and not just believe what we are spoon-fed by the media on either side, we will not move forward in matters like this. And the hate on both sides needs to be tempered and channeled into constructive work. Sadly, I feel that this is not going to happen.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf
Sept. 6, 2016
Benji4
210 posts
Wayne give me the name of the officers and the department they work for so I can request a copy of the police reports regarding your incidents. I LEARNED LONG AGO THERE ARE USUALLY TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY and almost every person arrested believes in their own mind they did nothing wrong to get arrested.

You are still misinformed on Brown and your conspiracy theories are way off base.............

Hopefully your next experience with police is positive but think about this; police usually deal with people on their worst days mainly because of the disrespect and total disregard for laws from people such as yourself.

And by the way who are the olsen twins? I was working a lot back then chasing criminals and keeping people safe.

Sept. 7, 2016
Az Iz
64 posts


BLAH...

BLAH......

BLAH.........


Sept. 7, 2016
Webbie25
Men's 65
2257 posts
Az Iz-how disappointing that your reaction is boredom and disgust. If we do not work on these issues-it will fester like an open wound and destroy our country. Maybe you are right and I am shouting in the desert at night trying to get someone to really work on this. My pathetic effort to get a real dialog open. Just this morning I got sent this link below. It is the first time I have heard someone actually say on TV some of the stuff I said above. Lou Dobbs cuts down Republicans and Democrat alike for the corruption on BOTH SIDES.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v /5085818847001/dobbs-the-clint on-cartel-emits-the-foulest- stench-of-all-/?#sp=show-clips

Still praying for a miracle.......
Sept. 7, 2016
DCPete
368 posts
Damn, must have had a senior moment & clicked the wrong link.
Thought this was a Senior SOFTBALL message board . . .
Sept. 7, 2016
Az Iz
64 posts


DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOUR YADAH YADAH YADAH POSTING ON THIS BOARD IS REALLY GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING?


Sept. 7, 2016
Webbie25
Men's 65
2257 posts
Your right, it's not. Just had to try once. Nobody else is trying. Sorry I clogged the board. I'm out.
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