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| Oct. 14, 2016 AllTournyPit 18 posts | New Player I have a question....If a player that hasn't played an inning of softball in 2 years and NEVER played any Senior Softball, be listed as a Major player before his first game? |
| Oct. 14, 2016 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | He should enter Senior Softball as a AAA player. |
| Oct. 14, 2016 AllTournyPit 18 posts | That's what my thought was. SSUSA thinks differently for some reason. When he was younger, he played class B, but that was 15-20 years ago. |
| Oct. 14, 2016 titanhd Men's 60 638 posts | I would re-think your answer Paul.New teams can start as AAA. I believe a players rating would depend on the rating of the team they begin with. Example: If a player starts with a Major Plus team ,his rating would be Major Plus not,AAA and the Plus rating would follow him for the appropriate number of years after that. I THINK... |
| Oct. 14, 2016 AllTournyPit 18 posts | Here's the scenario. We are a new team. Never played in a tournament together before. Three guys on the team are what SSUSA is concerned about. One, played Major last year. Another played 55 Major and the third never played any Senior ball....at all. We got bumped from AAA to Major before we ever played one inning. In fact, half our team never played any Senior softball. Trust me, we are not afraid to play what ever they throw at us! I'm just not understanding their thinking??? |
| Oct. 14, 2016 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | I had a new player play with us this year we are 60M and he was classified a 0 because he had not ever played Senior before. He now is a M player because he played all year with us but he still started as a 0. |
| Oct. 14, 2016 paul0784 Men's 60 218 posts | ALLTourneyPit If you are a AAA team you can have 3 M players on your roster and still remain AAA team. If you are Major team you can have 3 M+ players on your roster and remain Major? |
| Oct. 15, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | There's a "new team" forming in your general area of the country, and maybe it's his team ... His limited anonymous disclosure doesn't provide much reliable data ... That team is starting at Major because they have SEVEN players with qualifying rating experience at the Major level ... Remember: The default start point is "AAA", UNLESS the roster composition indicates otherwise, as it does in the case we're referring to ... Good luck! |
| Oct. 16, 2016 AllTournyPit 18 posts | Ok...like I said, it doesn't matter what class we play. We will build accordingly. But, talking directly to the plaer himself, he never played a tournament at all. Showtime added him to their roster when they won 40+ in Vegas 2/3 years ago, but never went to the tournament. He stayed in Pennsylvania and coached his sons baseball game. So, with that said, doesn't a name on a roster classify what level you play? If so, you could add anybody to keep them from playing with buddies, at a different level. Again, I don't care what class we play, I'm just stating the facts so SSUSA has the correct facts. He's now a Major player anyways because he play in yesterday's Quad States Shootout, on a Major team. |
| Oct. 16, 2016 AllTournyPit 18 posts | *Correction..Does a name on a roster classify what level you play? If so, that needs to be re-thought. I personally know my name was on a roster all season for a team I didn't play for. That was corrected when we explained I didn't play all season due to hip replacement surgery in February. This thread is not about bashing SSUSA. Just to help them see what actually happened in 2 separate instances. |
| Oct. 16, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | ATP ... In reply to your last two posts ... [1] The 'name on a roster' is a tricky one at times. Several years ago, we had a team from a particular NE state who had about five guys on their roster from that state. After someone anonymously tipped us off, we checked game cards for all of their entered events over the three prior years and discovered not one of them had actually played. This was done to establish a "home state" so they could leap-frog ONE MORE bordering state to get the guys they REALLY wanted. Checking in (which is a presumption of actually playing) are now confirmed for every tournament. Post tournament, we take all team rosters and delete the names of anyone not checked in and yellow-highlighted, and this becomes the official roster for that team and event. It's important to check in, and equally important to not get cute by manipulating the check-in process by lending your card to another player to check you in. Yes, that happens occasionally when a team is trying to get a "qualifying roster" for the Eastern/Western Nationals and/or World Masters ... [2] If your name is on a roster after the post-tournament event processing at Home Office has concluded, then SOMEONE checked in using your card, and we presume you played. If you didn't check in, your name will be deleted in that process and it's as though you were never on the roster, simple as that. The related "issue" is in the case of a player who has a current card, goes to the event, but for whatever reason does not check in. We presume he did NOT play and, accordingly, may not be on a "qualifying roster" for a later event. Then we go back to the game cards, try to find him, and if we do, we'll add him after the fact. In short (too late), our procedures are designed to actually result in an accurate roster post-event, presuming the players properly check in. Being on a team's "Master Roster" is not presumptive that you are on any "tournament roster". Hope this helps ... |
| Oct. 16, 2016 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | Someone thinks a player has major level skills and puts them on a major roster. Whether they actually played (unless disabled for the season) or not, it is still logical to assume they are a major level player. In the same way, I was not able to make the Vegas Worlds one year and my team won! I had played with them all year. My team was rerated up after winning, and so was I! Even though I didn't play or help the team win. But I haven't complained because I am at the skill level of the rest of the team and if they could win, so could I. Same logic applies to AAA, Major Plus, etc. If you have a new team, and more than three of the players were on a major roster the past season, your team will be assumed to be of major quality. This takes into account the superior player who may be on a team because of history of friendship, but is the only high-ranked player on the team, so his team is not ranked upwards. The more difficult challenge is when a team has several superior players, they win major tournaments, the team gets rerated to the next level, and then most (or all) of these really good players move on to other teams. Sometimes the team is stuck with the higher rating, even though they are no longer that superior. We play against such teams all the time in tournaments, where they were dominant the previous year, but now are normal, or even sub-par. Takes a year to get rerated down it seems. |
| Oct. 17, 2016 AllTournyPit 18 posts | Ok....this is giving me a freaking headache! ....LOL The player in question was re-rated AAA....after this past weekend. Oh boy....back to the drawing board....lol |
| Oct. 18, 2016 southernson 280 posts | AllTourneyPit, Welcome to Senior Softball where things are rarely obvious or clear, but SSUSA usually tries to help. |
