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| Nov. 18, 2016 doyle 12 posts | RULEING ON PLAY RUNNER STOPS AT THE LINE BETWEEN BETWEEN ,3RD AND HOME, PITCHER HAS THE BALL AND COMES OVER AND TOUCHES THE RUNNER WHO STEPS OVER THE LINE TOWARD HOME PLATE.RUNNER SAYS HE IS SAFE AND GOES IN THE DUGOUT.THE PITCHER THEN THROWS THE BALL TO HOME PLATE AND SAYS THE RUNNER IS OUT. WHAT SAY YE? |
| Nov. 18, 2016 Fred S Men's 85 297 posts | First question would be at what point did he tag him. Before he step over or after. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | I'd say the line is considered same as is the batters box issue, on the line ( in the box) is as good as crossing it. But no mention of him crossing a line for home plate or touching a 2nd home plate. As for my thought on it, Depends on if the ball thrown to home plate was caught and catcher was on the mat before runner crossed either the line for it or touched the 2nd base for it. You can tag before runner reaches the 20 foot line, but not after. There lies the issue steping on THAT line the same as the batters box lines. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 doyle 12 posts | HE STEPED OVER THE LINE AS THE PITCHER REACHED OVER TO TAG HIM,THEN WENT TO THE DUGOUT WITHOUT GOING ACROSS THE LINE AT HOME PLATE |
| Nov. 18, 2016 doyle 12 posts | THE PITCHER THREW THE BALL TO THE CATCHER STANDING ON HOME PLATE |
| Nov. 18, 2016 B.J. 1105 posts | once the runners foot is down on or across the line he cannot be tagged for an out and if he is the umpire mechanic is to immediately call the runner safe... so therefore he does not have to follow thru and touch the scoring plate/line |
| Nov. 18, 2016 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | If no touch line or plate, I'd say, out. as you wrote this here. We 'hear' you no need to shout... |
| Nov. 18, 2016 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | BJ, good point. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 Fred S Men's 85 297 posts | According to rule 13.8(3) B.J. is right if he was tagged after his foot hit the ground. I am still not clear if he tagged him before or after his foot hit the ground over the line. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 coop3636 514 posts | BJ is correct..batter is safe, run scores And ball is live at that moment if other things are happening. What the pitcher should have done was to walk behind the runner (closer to third base) and walk him toward home.. the runner would have to be very slick not to either get touched before the line or thrown out at home. Just my 2 cents coop3636 |
| Nov. 18, 2016 titanhd Men's 60 638 posts | If I am correct. No matter when runners foot hit the ground. Runner can not be tagged at the plate. Call is safe and ball remains live. I Think... |
| Nov. 18, 2016 JohnBob Men's 65 256 posts | looks like runner would have to touch scoring plate to be safe. If he was tagged after crossing the line he is not out but if ball is thrown to catcher standing on home plate before runner gets to scoring plate he would be out. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 titanhd Men's 60 638 posts | runner is automatically safe if tagged at home plate. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | Once runner touches commitment line or beyond and is then tagged runner is safe. Rule 8.8 Page 50. there can be no other play on that runner. Run is scored. Ball is live for plays on other runners. This was stated above by BJ, gaits, coop, titan As a runner if you are approaching the commitment line the thing to do is stop just before the line 3rd base side, if the throw goes home, you go back to 3rd. If the player goes to tag you, you step over before the tag and will then be awarded home upon tag. Easier said than done. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 k man Men's 65 326 posts | taits, not gaits |
| Nov. 18, 2016 stick8 1991 posts | I believe the intent of the rule is to make sure there is no obstacle in the path for the runner to cross the line or touch the scoring plate. |
| Nov. 18, 2016 DieselDan Men's 75 600 posts | I am the runner who Doyle is referring too. I intentionally stopped before the commit line and faced the pitcher Doyle to allow the batter to reach second. Just before he tagged me, I put my right foot over the line and on the ground. With the majority of our rec players who ump when they're not up, the ump and the majority of the players on both teams had no idea what the call should be. Once the "taste great" "less filling" argument ended and the out call stood, I gave up and continued to the dugout. When we met next Doyle said he read the rules and should have thrown the ball to the catcher after tagging me. I produced the written rules (pages 3&50), had him read them, but he still felt that even though our team should have been credited with a run, he could get me out at home. He couldn't understand that a runner called safe with a run scored, even thought the scoring line was not touched, is no longer involved with the play even though the ball is still live. This took place two weeks ago and what pissed me off was an active umpire (in Phoenix this week) and waiting to play, said I was safe, but would not say it loud enough to the players on the field or get up and explain why the runner was safe. Too many over 70&80 guys just playing for exercise and waiting to go to McD's for lunch! |
| Nov. 21, 2016 stick8 1991 posts | DieselDan by baiting the fielder to tag you that was quite the heads up play you made!! |
| Nov. 21, 2016 DieselDan Men's 75 600 posts | I first saw that same play at Vegas in Sept. with a Scrap Iron team. The ump made the wrong call (I admit at the time I had no idea what the call should be), there was discussions, the director (I think) was call, and another ump came over and helped get the call right. Two local umps have told me the defensive player should remove the ball from their glove just before tagging the runner, who has stepped over the line, then throw the ball to home. |
