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| March 17, 2017 Randall 40 posts | Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched Situation. Runner on first base. Batter hits ball up the middle. It is cut off by F6 who throws to 1B because the runner who started on 1b has reached 2B. The throw goes errant and lands in the dugout. SSUSA rules state two bases from release of the ball. ASA rules state the same but have an exception for an overthrow which leaves live ball territory or is blocked, the runners shall be awarded one base from the base last touched. Since the runner who started on 1b had reached 2b at the time of release, what is the SSUSA ruling, does that lead runner stop at 3B or is he awarded home? Thank you |
| March 17, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | here is the rule 8.4(10) • WHEN RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ADVANCED. When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked. EFFECT: All runners will be awarded two bases, and the award will be governed by the positions of the runners when the ball left the fielder's hands. If two runners are between the same bases, the award is based on the lead runner EXCEPTION: 1. If the ball becomes blocked because of offensive equipment not involved in the game, the ball is ruled dead and runners are returned to the last base touched at the time of the blocked ball. If the blocked ball prevented the defense from making an out, the runner being played on is called out. |
| March 17, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | Randall...sorry I pasted more of the rule but it didn't take.. also in your scenario you failed to mention if the B/R had passed 1st before the release of the ball...if he didn't then runner from 1st would be awarded 3rd and B/R would get 2nd When a fair ball bounces over or rolls under or through a fence or any designated boundary of the playing field. Also when it deflects off a runner or umpire and goes out of play. EFFECT: The ball is dead, and all runners are awarded two bases. 1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made. |
| March 17, 2017 stick8 1991 posts | In USSSA any throw from the infield that goes into dead ball territory the runners iget 2 bases from the time of the pitch. On a throw from the outfield its two bases from the time of the throw. |
| March 17, 2017 Randall 40 posts | To BJ March 17 , the BR had not reached first at time of throw, however the runner that started at first had reached second at time of throw. When ball went into dugout , does runner who started at 1b get awarded third or home. Thanks |
| March 18, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | Randall...3rd base... since the batter/runner had not yet reached 1st before the throw the award is 2 bases... and you use the position of each runner at the time of the pitch ... read 1. below 1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made. |
| March 18, 2017 Randall 40 posts | Sorry, but I'm still confused. The runner that started at 1B had reached 2B and the BR had not reached 1B at the release of the throw. I understand that the BR should be awarded 2B, but I think from your answer that the runner who started at 1B gets awarded 3B. If he had earned 2B by the time the throw was released, wouldn't he be awarded home? Thank you for having this discussion |
| March 18, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | when you award bases all runners get the same award...since BOTH runners did not obtain the bag before the throw the award is 2 bases from the pitch which would be home plate for the B/R...so he goes to 2nd and runner on 1st goes to 3rd |
| March 18, 2017 stick8 1991 posts | Randall, was that Usian Bolt running!!😀 Seriously, in your scenario if said runner had achieved 2nd before the throw was released by the SS he would indeed get home, presuming the rule BJ posted was the SSUSA rule which I see no reason to believe it isn't. It's a tough call to see for the ump. If USSSA rules were being played that runner would get third because it's two bases from the time of the pitch on any throw from the infield that goes out of play. |
| March 18, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | Stick... yes SSUSA rules...sorry but the runner from 1st would not get home he'd get 3rd...because the B/R had not obtained 1st base before the throw....ALL runners must obtain the next base before the throw in order to award bases FROM THE TIME OF THE THROW... other wise its 2 bases from where the runners are at the time of the pitch ....... 1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall be awarded. The award shall be governed by the position of each runner at THE TIME THAT THE PITCH WAS MADE; .... HOWEVER, IF ALL RUNNERS INCLUDING THE BATTER/RUNNER have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made. |
| March 18, 2017 Garocket Men's 55 259 posts | The ASA and ISA and NSA rule is the easiest to follow any throw that goes into dead ball area ( All runners are awarded 2 bases from where they are at the time the ball is released). Remember you do not have a base made until you have touched it Scenerio: Batter hits the ball to the right fielder slow batter but runner on 1st is a rabbit, the runner on 1st has passed 2nd as the right fielder tries to throw the runner out at 1st and the throw goes over the 1st baseman's head into dead ball area, The runner that had passed 2nd base would get home and the batter-runner would get 2nd. Easiest rule to enforce. |
| March 19, 2017 Randall 40 posts | Thank you to BJ and to all the other discussion Participants. I believe BJ has the correct ruling. I wish the SSUSA staff would concur or disagree |
