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Discussion: EQUALIZER RUNS QUESTION

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June 18, 2017
titanhd
Men's 50
467 posts
EQUALIZER RUNS QUESTION
Question has probably been asked but, at the risk of redundacy.
One (1) Run is given to the lower rated team innings 2 thru 6. If because of time limit the 6th inning becomes the Open Inning is the run still allowed to the lower rated team?
June 18, 2017
DaveDowell
Men's 65
1592 posts
YES
June 18, 2017
titanhd
Men's 50
467 posts
Thanks Dave, thats what I thought but not what was ruled this weekend by TD.
June 19, 2017
TOMAR77
Men's 65
255 posts
May I partly interrupt this Thread. Although it is on the same subject, 'Equalizer'.
I have Played and Managed AA (Currently), AAA and Major Teams.
I clearly can see the difference's in the play of each level Teams. Mainly I have found that the better Teams are more consistent in their ability to play at a higher skill level, than the lower Rated Teams. I acknowledge also that their are many player's that are just plain better then many of us, good for them. Hence, to accommodate the lesser Skilled Teams SSUSA employs the current Rating System. There by insuring more Teams/Players to participate in our Sport.
With that said, the revised Rule that now requires that the Higher Rated Team receive the Automatic Home Team Advantage has, at the very least watered down the Equalizer. Ask any Team wanting to give their Team a "Real Advantage" they are going to take the Home Team Advantage. Looking at it from a lower Teams perspective the Equalizer has become pretty much a wash.
If SSUSA is serious in trying to make lower Rated Teams competitive with the Higher Rated Team we MUST go back to The "Coin Flip". At the very least both Teams have their chance to choose Visitors or Home Team. Personally I believe we should leave this decision to the Teams. In other words let the Team Manage itself as much as possible. Not sure who did the whining to have this Rule change made, but if their Team can not play well enough to beat a lower Rated Team, that is on them. They should show more pride in themselves and their Team not to ask SSUSA to intercede on their behalf to HELP them beat a lower Qualified Team. SSUUA should change the Rule back in 2018.
The integrity of the Game is more important then the Sour Grapes of losers looking to have a Further edge in beating lower skilled Teams.
Tomar
June 19, 2017
DaveDowell
Men's 65
1592 posts
TOMAR77 ... We have briefly discussed this on an occasion or two, but here was the thinking of a majority of the National Rules Committee for all to read if they are interested ... It's not a matter of any whining or a campaign, loosely or well organized, by any specific group of teams or managers wishing to dilute, or strengthen, depending on your perspective, the equalizer ... The change to designate HOME for the team giving the equalizer was driven principally by a sportsmanship theory ...

Directors, with scorecards in hand to support the theory, were experiencing an increasing frequency of teams giving the equalizer then electing to be VISITOR, regardless of the result of the formerly employed coin toss ... Their goal, many times even stated for all to hear, was to keep the score inside of the mandatory "flip-flop" circumstance so that they "..can have batting practice in the top of the open inning.." ... It's not every team, but it's an undesirable frequency for the teams that used to do it ... They know who they are, and so do we ...

We're OK with a team giving an equalizer and then having a huge open inning, but it's much better in our view if that huge open is to come back to win by one and not simply to put up a couple of touchdowns against a lower rated or older, and sometimes over-matched, opponent ...

June 19, 2017
TOMAR77
Men's 65
255 posts
Thanks Dave for the response. Still as I have suggested in an earlier Thread on this subject, putting it in a different way. You cannot legislate Sportsmanship. You can direct good behavior by making it hurt, if a Team is using the Rules to harm our game we can make Teams be respectful of their opposition and the game itself. So with that in mind I have in the past recommended that we put a cap on the lead a Higher Rated Team can have when they are Visitors. I suggested a 10 Run Lead then the Home Team Bats (this Rule would only apply when a Higher Rated Team plays a Lower Rated Team). If the Higher Rated team can not hold the lead then so be it, they likely did not earn the Win. Now as I understand it there is some Scoring records available so that SSUSA can adjust the Run Lead accordingly, up or down. Still a Manager needs to pay attention and decide on whether his/her Team should be Home or Visitors. All must be accountable for their decisions.
Tomar
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