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| June 29, 2017 txnighttrain 120 posts | Playing on two teams of different age and different ratings Could a player that is 60 play on a 50 AAA and a 60 AA team. According to a player rating chart that I got about 3 or 4 years ago, this was not possible. Has something changed? |
| June 29, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3490 posts | Nothing has changed ... A player may not play on 50-AAA (rating index=7) and 60-AA (R/I=4) teams simultaneously ... The maximum rating index "spread" allowed is one ... This one is three ... |
| June 29, 2017 txnighttrain 120 posts | I guess then some illegal players got into the Texas State Championships. The Sultanes 50's (50 AAA) were playing Team Trucha (50 AAA) when I noticed the left fielder had played against us earlier in the day in a pool game for the NW Boomers (60 AA). I pointed this out to Keith Parker and Don Brooks, protesting the roster. Don started to check the rosters, but I don't think he ever completed it. Our coach also complained after we discovered that 3 players from the New Mexico Boomers were playing on the 50 AAA team. The answer we were given is that it was okay since they were one rating difference. I told them that was not correct because the 50 AAA was rated way higher than a 60 AA based on the chart George Moreno showed me. They still let them play and never did complete any investigation. If the New Mexico Boomers were required to drop these three players, then they would have forfeited out of the tournament since they would have only had 8 left. I would hope this is now checked out and those three players are removed from their team or that they get bumped up. If both rosters don't reflect these players, then that is another issue that needs to be resolved. Both rosters should have the names of the same player on both of them since they were allowed to play. Also if this is true, then the second place team (which wasn't our team), should be declared the winner. |
| June 30, 2017 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | I can't believe you are going to protest a 60 year old playing on a 50's team. WOW!!!!! Sounds like you team needs a lot of help. just my two cents. |
| June 30, 2017 LP 317 posts | cheating is cheating no matter the age |
| June 30, 2017 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | I don't understand. The team that got cheated here was the 60's not the 50's, so why is the 50's guy bitching? By the way the rules are written, the players in question should not have been allowed to play for the 60's team because of their higher ranking, not the other way around. someone explain this one. just asking. |
| June 30, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | LP ... And "cheating" as defined here anonymously may not be "cheating" at all ... This may have been a previously approved one-time exception to help the 50-AAA get enough players to field a team and play ... It may have been any number of things that the original poster [a] may not know about or [b] was misinformed about or [c] any number of other unknown factors ... If there's a formal complaint to be lodged, try submitting it to the SSUSA Office in an identifiable format with names (including your own), teams, etc. ... You know, those pesky little facts that distinguish an anonymous allegation from something of potential substance possibly deserving an additional look ... |
| June 30, 2017 LP 317 posts | Dave i may have been a bit strong on my statement it's just that something didn't seem right. Here's a question for you, i understand two guys from houston fire a major team went to play with a AAA team but i here that bumped the AAA team up to major and since now they have played for this now a major team are they being allowed to return to houston fire for the way i understand it they must have had a release to play for the AAA team that is now major and you can only be released once so by the rules they wouldn't be allowed to return to the houston fire team, just curious to see if i'm right. this was the el paso tournament. |
| June 30, 2017 txnighttrain 120 posts | First of all I was on the 60 AA team that complained. Second, I need to make a correction: The New Mexico team was the Warriors and they are a 60 AA team. So you guys need to quit assuming. I think those of you who assumed I was on the 50's team need to apologize. Our Manager is calling into the main office. |
| June 30, 2017 txnighttrain 120 posts | I was told that they could play because the rating was different and age different (AAA vs AA) & (50 vs 60). No one said anything about any exceptions or prior approvals. I am sure we would have been told that if that is what was going on. |
| June 30, 2017 txnighttrain 120 posts | So you know this is not anonymous, this is Al Schoelen and I am not afraid to post my name. The facts as stated are correct. Further, most of the things mentioned are not in the rule book with the exception of the snow birds. Things like allowing exceptions (I know the snow bird one is in it) and the player rating chart should be in the rule book for all to see. But to continue to prove what I am taking about, an error in the seeding in the 60 AA bracket occurred. Keith said it was right and wouldn't correct it. I told Don and he fixed it. The change was actually a disadvantage for us, but I believe in doing the right thing. Don thanked me for catching it. The second tie breaker was used instead of the first. Keith tried to say head to head didn't matter, but it was clearly marked that it did. Keith then said that 2 played 4 and 1 played 3. we all know that is not how seeding works. The only reason I mention this is that my credibility is challenged, when problems that exist should be addressed. |
| June 30, 2017 txnighttrain 120 posts | One last thing. Do you really thing it is appropriate to make roster exceptions (except snow birds) at any tournament that has a TOC bid! I could see at a small regional qualifier, but never at Championship tournaments. |
| June 30, 2017 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | Mr. Schoelen, I will apologize to you sir, but as how you wrote your first information on this board it sounded like you where on the 50's team and not the 60's. I now understand your complaint after your verification. the rules do allow players and teams to have higher rated players, but can only have a certain amount before they are moved to the next level, maybe that was the case. was not there, can't take a stand on that. |
| June 30, 2017 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | Question, I am playing on a 55 major team and I want to play on a 50 AAA team and they have no major players on there roaster, I can not play on that team? |
| July 1, 2017 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | The 55m and 50AAA have the same rating, 7. You should be able to play with the 50 team. |
| July 3, 2017 STL0 Men's 60 231 posts | If a player is currently 54 years old, rated today as a 50 major player and is currently playing on a 50 AAA team as one of the three allowed exceptions, what is the player rating when he turns 55 next year? Does the player rating follow the level you are playing at any point or does that stay the same regardless of potentially playing at a older age group? My assumption is that the player would be classified as 55 Major when they turn 55 which would allow them to play 50 AAA next year without being considered as an exception. Is that correct? |
| July 3, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3490 posts | STL0 ... Not exactly correct ... The player's rating experience history follows that player for the current and succeeding two Seasons ... When he turns 55, he will be a 55-Major player, BUT will carry the 50-Major experience ... He will still be able to play with the 50-AAA team, but WILL be one of the three "out-of-rating" allowances for that team ... If he plays with a 55-Major team for an entire season, that experience rating will override the 50-Major the next Season and he would be able to play 50-AAA on a non-exception basis ... Just playing one 55-Major event won't do it ... If this inquiry is player-specific and not just purely a theoretical exercise, please call the Sacramento Office at (916) 326.5303 and get a direct ruling/explanation from one of the roster specialists ... |
| July 5, 2017 STL0 Men's 60 231 posts | Thanks for the clarification Staff. It was hard to figure that one out just reading what I could find (but that could be a comprehension problem on my part). |
| July 6, 2017 boston Men's 60 355 posts | Could I get some help with this one scenario. According to how I perceive the Ratings Index. A 60 yr old rated a 55AAA player can play 60M & 60AAA. Would this player be able to play 60AA? |
| July 6, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | boston ... A player's age is not as important as his rating experience history for the team(s) he has played with ... You state he is a "55-AAA" player, which seems to infer that he is currently, or has within the prior two seasons, played with a 55-AAA team ... That team has a rating index of 6 ... As such, he would be ineligible to play for a 60-AA team (R/I=4) until that 55-AAA experience history lapses because he may only "play down" one rating level ... As mentioned previously above: If this inquiry is player-specific and not just purely a theoretical exercise, please call the Sacramento Office at (916) 326.5303 and get a direct ruling/explanation from one of the roster specialists ... |
