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| Oct. 3, 2017 timmyb 27 posts | Time limit I've tried to post this , not sure why it hasn't showed up . When does the time limit go itn to effect ? Is iit the last out in the existing inning , or first pictch of next inning ? Scenario : We were home team ( 4th inning and we were losing ) we hit a home run for our 7th run , had 1 mintute left on timer , coach had us hustle out to field , we were in our position , ready to pitch , batter at the plate , timer goes off , ump Calls time and says the existing inning would be the open inning , we asked and the umpire said the 5th hadn't started yet as a pitch had not been pitched , is this how the time limit rule works ? Was a fun , well run tournament |
| Oct. 3, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | the timer has to go off before the end of the inning you are playing in.... if the 3rd out or 7th run happened before the timer went off then you should have played the 5th inning plus 1 more |
| Oct. 3, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | Hi Tim ... You and I discussed this briefly on Friday evening at BLD, but there was a lot going on at that time with our games finishing and local league players streaming into the park ... Here's a written clarification for your consideration ... • Under normal circumstances, a "new" inning begins the moment the final out of the previous inning occurs ... However, circumstances are anything but "normal" in Las Vegas where several jurisdictions decline to accommodate our tournament schedule games demand by deferring local league play while we are here ... There are exceptions, such as BLD deferring league play totally on the first of the three Friday evenings, and Clark County moving as much of their local league play to fields we generally don't use to help us out at Sunset Park ... These accommodations are deeply appreciated ... • With local leagues being generally a higher priority than our event, we absolutely have to be clear of the league schedule, without exception ... To assist in making those deadlines, we have instituted a "local rule" for Las Vegas events (only) that relaxes the definition of the start of the "open inning" ... That modification allows for the umpire to declare the start of the "open inning" at any time before the first pitch of that inning ... • In talking with you, it's possible you (reasonably) believe that your opponent "stalled the time" in getting ready for the subsequent inning, thereby allowing the clock to expire on the 70-minute time frame before that first pitch ... In effect, they may have caused you (and them) to be deprived of one more turn at bat ... If that was the case, it's an unfortunate occurrence lacking in fundamental sportsmanship ... • On Friday morning, in the Umpires Conference, the Field Directors discussed this situation thoroughly ... They were instructed to call "time" if they perceived one team using gamesmanship to manipulate the time to the "open inning", thereby guaranteeing that you were not placed at a disadvantage ... Either the umpires forgot, didn't perceive that to be the case, or, honestly, their own recognition that they are being paid by the game and not by the hour ... Any or all of those factors could have been present ... Unless, and until, we can get relief from the time restrictions imposed on us by the local league structure, this "local rule" will likely be an occasional "issue" ... Hopefully not affecting your team in a critical game ... |
| Oct. 3, 2017 timmyb 27 posts | Thanks all , we did my play well , only won 1 game , but we also never played more than 6 innings in any game , had time limit on all of them ..... it did not change the outcome of the game , but in the game I mentioned above , they absolutely were slowing down to get the time limit .... when it was close , and our batter was up for the 7th run , their coach called time to go out and talk with the pitcher , our coach told the umpire what they were doing to get to the time limit ....... I'm not saying what the coach did for them was wrong , not at all , I feel the less you have teams or players using the time limit as a part of the game the better, if the next inning starts with the last out , or the 7th run before the timer goes off , this would eliminate that problem....... we had 2 games it did not ....... thanks for the explanation. All .... Dave , one last thing , and I know I'm being petty , but the umpires were quick to start the timer ( we were at 67 mintutes while warming up , not even made a pitch yet ). ..... did not know the ump started the timer , our coach , or their coach new it ...... we questioned it and the umpire said he had to stay on schedule ........ travel a long way to play quick games like that |
| Oct. 4, 2017 mck71 Men's 60 344 posts | timmyb, I know you asked Dave and I am sure he will respond but our games are actually 65 (play ins) and 70 (bracket) mins long, they add the extra 2 mins to those times making them 67 and 72 respectively then start the clock after the flip. The extra 2 mins is supposed to help you get ready to play (sadly sometimes teams are slow to start, most times it's home team getting into position). Been like that for a while, sounds like they are even more strict due to the "local rule" in Vegas or possibly other events where local leagues are played. |
| Oct. 4, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | mck71 has the procedural aspects 101% correct on game times ... As for the "innings played" issue, that's a function that results from the Major+ desired game format ... The Major+ players a few years back asked for a 7-Run ½-inning at bat format rather than the 5-Run version all others play ... It was based, as I remember, on the desire to maximize "at-bats" rather than innings, and the 5-Runs limit can be achieved so quickly at that level of play ... We made the change, but left the time limits 67/65 or 72/70 in place ... Championship game(s) are a 7-inning format ... Hope this helps ... |
| Oct. 4, 2017 garyheifner 649 posts | Real Simple. If the city of Las Vegas, Park District and the local softball association agrees to bring in a major tournament (600+ teams)that brings untold millions of $$$$$ to Vegas, then they should realize there might be delays in the starting times of their league games. So what if a league game is delayed an hour or so. Tell to watch great players-they might learn something. Some park districts simply postpone their schedules during a major tournament. Why don't the local leagues (take time off) and encourage their players to form teams and enter the biggest tournament in the country? I have often been amazed by the lack of local Vegas teams. |
| Oct. 5, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | garyheifner ... If only it was that simple! ... Your "..So what if a league game is delayed an hour or so.." actually happened a few years back at Arroyo Grande ... The City of Henderson reaction was: "OK, you can only have 20 games at Arroyo instead of 24 so this doesn't happen again" ... That decision was made by a former person in charge of their league scheduling, but the current leadership maintains that policy ... We have excellent relationships with all of the jurisdictions, but Local League is King prevails ... Maybe some day....... |
