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| April 9, 2018 maskedman Men's 60 51 posts | WHY SO RESTRICTIVE This is not to be taken as critical. I love the game as it is.Just thinking. Why do we need home run limits AND a runs per inning rule? I love the runs per inning rule.I've never been a fan of home run limits in any brand of softball.As a pitcher i've always preferred pitching against teams that like to hit home runs.You tend to get a lot more fly balls.When the home runs are gone i tend to get a little nervous, if you know what i mean.As a hitter i get a rush every time i hit the ball over the fence.The game is supposed to be fun so why limit the fun. It just seems like the runs per inning rule takes care of keeping the games competitive.A few years ago i read an article about THE WORLDS LARGEST SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT.I think it was held in Virginia or Maryland each year.At the time there were no home run limits on any class but there was a maximum number of runs you could score each game which was also broken down to a max number you could have at the end of each inning.plus any runs you didn't score in one inning carried over to the next.So if your class was allotted 15 runs per game you would be allowed to score 3 in the first inning.by the end of the next inning you were allowed to have scored a total of 5.The good thing was if you only scored 2 in the first you could still finish the second with 5.The man in charge made a good point.Any team can stop hitting home runs but if you want to win you have to keep scoring.Teams that can score 20+ every game are more likely to play at a classification that allows them to and so on and so on.Example:My league allows 5 home runs per game the rest outs.We played a game where the other team hit all 5 dingers but only scored 11 runs. We beat them and didn't hit any home runs.Did being able to hit bombs mean they were a better team? In the state tournament everyone was keeping up with the power teams. Who won?A team that never hit the ball over the fence but wore you out with single after single.SO BOMBS AWAY! |
| April 9, 2018 lb16 Men's 60 196 posts | Question is how many runs would the team in against you in your league have scored if it was unlimited homeruns? I would be willing to bet more than 11 and that's your answer why there is HR limits! |
| April 9, 2018 r4pitch 92 posts | with these bat and balls you need homerun limits and run limits.The major + level would be a joke.... |
| April 9, 2018 Perl 212 posts | The best teams in the world (USSSA Conference) don’t have a runs per inning rule so why do seniors need them. Very simple, the senior organizations have sold this idea to seniors, run limits keep most games close, run limits keep games on time and bottom line, it’s all about the money. HR rules are needed, however run limits are used primarily in tee ball and senior ball. Interested in seeing positives for run per inning rules. |
| April 9, 2018 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Mahalo for this interesting perspective! Love of game, wanting to compete n sharing moments with friends should all supercede money! But we do live in a world that challenges us with our views on money, titles n status! Aloha, Fabe |
| April 9, 2018 SS11 60 posts | Why the run restrictions? Let's look at it a little closer: Seniors typically slow down defensively before offensively (reactions, speed, arm strength go before offensive skills), so naturally it becomes easier to hit against senior teams. Senior players get to use better bats, and hit better balls (in Vegas at least) compared to "upper level" teams in non-stadium games. In order to prevent 20 and 30 minute half innings, you have to have run limits. With time limits, and without run limits, you'd have a lot of 3 and 4 inning games. Homer limits adds value to players that can play great defense, and might only hit 600-650 (which isn't a great avg in Senior softball). The best players are those that can do it all on both sides of the ball. Homers gone, they'll basehit it, and pick it defensively. |
| April 9, 2018 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | Perl, I do believe you actually made the case for run limitations. (The best teams in the world (USSSA Conference) don’t have a runs per inning rule) No question there are some great teams playing SSUSA. However, you set rules and standards for the majority of teams. In not so perfect opinion: The runs limitation is there for three reasons. 1. Attempt to level the playing field. Not all M+ nor M nor AAA nor AA teams are cookie cutter. Without run limitations the top 1/3rd will on a regular basis significantly out score the lower 1/3rd on a consistent basis. The offset is the last inning deemed unlimited. Routinely you will see teams take visitors against a perceived stronger team because they do not want to be on the field for a significant amount of time at the end of a game. Most often in the RR portion of the tourney, but not always. 2. More participation - First, we are seniors and like it or not, we have a finite number of teams/players and as we get older that is more and more obvious. Without the attempt at leveling the playing field, you would have a number of players/teams unwilling to play against stronger or younger teams. Especially, if you are paying significant dollars to play, because most teams are not sponsored. Please don't waste your time arguing with me about whether it should happen, it just will and there is nothing you can do about an individual or team making the decision not to play if they do not want to. 3. Health considerations - run limitations theoretically mean shorter innings. Once you hit 60, the toll on your body is much greater than when you were in your 40's & 50's. If there were unlimited innings throughout, I expect there would be more medical events. Rather than decry the rules that are set in place for the majority, play in an association that conforms more to your expectations. I say that with all respect because in this instance I believe challenges to the run limitations is reminiscent of Don Quixote tilting at windmills. Mike Adair |
