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Discussion: Rating change for a team that disbanded

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July 11, 2018
shortstopchic10
Women's 40
39 posts
Rating change for a team that disbanded
Why would a team get moved to Major in July when the team split up in April and notified SSUSA out split and most of the players found other teams already?
July 12, 2018
shortstopchic10
Women's 40
39 posts
And better yet what happens to all the players on that team that have long since found or teams to play for? They are now considered major? So are all the AAA teams going to be reviewed to see if they have more than three major players?
July 12, 2018
SSUSA Staff
2587 posts
shortstopchic10 ... Your second question is best answered first: YES Any players from the now-Major rated team will reflect a team rating experience history of Major for that time of participation ... We will not be reviewing all AAA teams, but any AAA team that submits a roster for an upcoming event will be analyzed for compliance with the three out-of-rating player maximum, whether or not those three include players from the former team ... We do this for ALL teams that become either "inactive" or "disband" ...

As to your first question: The rating of the former team was changed based on its performance during the rating period, regardless of the current team status ... This is necessary to preserve accurate team rating experience history for each player that contributed to the rating adjustment ... If we failed to do so, "disbanding" would be the new way to attempt the elimination of rating history ... There are numerous teams in the rating database that no longer play, and after two seasons, it's irrelevant ... During that time, however, maintaining complete participation data on the players is important for rating integrity ...

July 12, 2018
Jon44
Men's 55
105 posts
I want to make sure I understand.

Team A wins or does well enough over a period of time. They decide to disband/break up/etc. 3 of these players transfer to a AAA team (team B), which already has 3 higher-rated players on their roster. After they transfer, the team that disbanded (team A) gets re-rated to major, so all players formerly on that roster get re-rated too. Now suddenly team B has 6 players rated Major, which is out of compliance.

If I am reading this correctly, what keeps team B from stepping onto the field with 6 major rated players is the sheet sent out to each tournament, which is the sheet TD's and staff use to check off players as they check in for a tourney. Is this correct?

I am just trying to understand-- no beef with any team or anyone here.
July 12, 2018
SSUSA Staff
2587 posts
Jon44 ... The "decision" would likely not occur, nor be an issue, at the field check-in ... If Team "B" is compliant with getting the tournament-specific roster submitted to SSUSA for review in a timely manner, this circumstance would come to light early ... The Team "B" manager would then have a choice (solely his) ... Either step up in rating because of having four or more "out of rating" players OR reduce that number to three or less ... This is maybe a good lesson for any Team "B"s out there who pick up players from teams that "disband", especially from teams who do so to avoid playing at a higher level ...

July 12, 2018
shortstopchic10
Women's 40
39 posts
What is considered doing well enough to be bumped so fast? They won one tournament since they were together. Had a second place finish in two team bracket, went 0-5 in another tournament, didn't finish top 5 in Worlds....

I don't see how finally putting everything together in one tournament qualifies a bump to major. Doesn't seem right when the team was competitive with all the other AAA teams in the division and they're still rated AAA.
July 12, 2018
shortstopchic10
Women's 40
39 posts
As to teams picking up players from disbanded teams... The rating want announced til now... The team split in April while still AAA so now that team possibly gets penalized as a result
July 12, 2018
SSUSA Staff
2587 posts
shortstopchic10 ... SSUSA does a formal ratings review twice annually, after the World Masters Championships in Las Vegas and after the May tournaments ... Team performance at any time subsequent to the previous rating period is subject to analysis and review ... If you believe your current team as constituted should be re-evaluated, please have your manager (if that's not you) submit an email request to info@seniorsoftball.com for clarification ... The request will have to provide specific team(s) and player(s) to get an accurate determination ... At the risk of being redundant from above, this is not an unusual situation when players from disbanded teams scatter to new teams ... It is more common that managers lack the foresight to plan accordingly, especially when taking on new players from successful teams ... Good luck! ...

July 12, 2018
shortstopchic10
Women's 40
39 posts
I understand the rating review and why it happens but I dont understand doing it after a team split up and everyone was released from that team and especially after that team only won one tournament since it first started several years ago. It just doesnt seem fair to bump a team up after one really good performance winning winter worlds. If the team was brand new and started out winning big, then I guess that would make more sense to me. Theres other teams that have won that tournament and others and never moved up. It doesnt effect me either way because Im already rated major but it could effect others from our team and the new teams that they went to which could really effect whether or not they play at the major level because theyre just not going to be competitive at that level. Anyway, they will deal with it.
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