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Aug. 5, 2019
BH44
Men's 50
45 posts
Eastern Championship
Hello Tim,

Want to start by saying we enjoyed coming out to Virginia this past weekend and playing at Bolen. Great new complex. Like to know your thoughts on calling someone out of the box when there is no box? We had the same umpire for 4 straight games and on Saturday in the 12:30 game where the box was long gone from the 8 o'clock game, we have our 4 hitter called out for being out of the box when there wasn't a box and the umpire had watch him bat the same way for 3 previous games. This occurred right after the opposing coach complained that we walk into the ball and saying we must be out of the box. We went from a possible big inning to an inning killer. My question is how can you call out of the box if there is no box? I asked the ump and he said he imagined where the box might be to make his call? Overall we enjoyed our visit to the East and would probably come back next year just not happy with the outcome and call playing against a local team. One other thing the ISA ump in the ISA shirt didn't think he had to call illegal pitches until we asked him and he talked to the other ump, not sure why any ump would ever think you wouldn't call illegal pitches.

Thanks,
Joe
Aug. 5, 2019
lb16
Men's 50
160 posts
BH44 - Ump sorta gave correct answer. There is always a batters box regardless if it's still visible or not. It becomes judgement of the umpire if batter is out of box or not if lines are no longer visible.
Aug. 5, 2019
Dugout
17 posts
What they need to do is put a permanent box in where you can't dig holes and a painted box on turf so the lines can't be erased.
Aug. 5, 2019
TimMcElroy
692 posts
In SSUSA play, umpires are instructed to verbalize and signal illegal pitches as they occur. In ISA play, umpires are instructed to NOT verbalize an illegal pitch. The umpire on your field at 8am on Sunday got his mechanics confused and made a mistake that was quickly corrected.

On the out of the box issue, the absence of a clearly defined chalk line doesn't negate the rule and make it okay for a batter to come as far forward as he might like. I instruct umpires to NOT go looking for cheap outs. At the same time, I ask them to use good judgement when making a call like this. If they are certain, they should make it.

You mentioned that a local team was involved in the game where your player was called out of the box and that it occurred after the coach raised an issue. To clear up any possible suggestion of favorable treatment I will just say that your opponent was from MD and the umpire was from TN.

Hope to see you in Las Vegas. Tim
Aug. 6, 2019
DCPete
380 posts
Same comment as always; how can the Ump see if a Runner leaves early or if a hard hit grounder is fair or foul if he's staring at the batters feet the whole time when he's swinging???
Aug. 6, 2019
BH44
Men's 50
45 posts
Tim,

Appreciate the reply and should have said well know East Coast team and organization not that it mattered. We always go to Vegas so see you there.

Joe
Aug. 6, 2019
Garocket
Men's 55
258 posts
On the no lines for a batters box. If there are no visible foul lines the umpire still has to make a judgement call on close ones. Should it not be the same with a batters box? As an umpire myself I never even think about a batter being out of the box but when it happens I see it. If it is questionable I never call it. But if I am 100% sure they are out of the box I call it.

My pet peeve as an umpire is for an umpire to call out of the box and you ask him what is the size of the box and how is the layout and he tells you wrong. That is when I will say the most.
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