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Discussion: Sandbagging

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Aug. 29, 2019
ffdonnie
Men's 60
131 posts
Sandbagging
Really?
9 55-Major+ and 36 Major teams for Worlds.
As many rules and regulations SSUSA comes up with, I guess it doesn't really matter if there is no follow thru.
Why even bother, or argue?
9-36 says it all. Ridiculous.
Aug. 29, 2019
JMM
Men's 55
12 posts
The 60s is even worse. 4 Major+ teams and 31 Major. Guess there is a lack of desire to compete against the best.
Aug. 30, 2019
domer
18 posts
Agree, should be a better balance of power to make all divisions competitive. Some tournaments you go to there are only two teams they get to play at two out of three series for a championship one other teams to be added to that division from others, need to do a better job of policing teams and rereading them as needed
Aug. 30, 2019
garyheifner
604 posts
The above is interesting. U have teams that form, work hard and sometimes have a bunch of luck, win and get moved up to Major +. Then U have teams that drop players who have been loyal friends and teammates for years and add top level players. They then they go out and win the big ones and get moved up to +. They then moan about getting moved up and have only a few teams to play. The only solution is to break up and go to other teams.

Trying to keep the field somewhat level is one of the hardest jobs of SSUSA.

What irritates me the most is teams that play in a qualifier for SSUSA, get rated for SSUSA and Vegas at say the AAA level. They then go play mainly SPA events so as to not tip off SSUSA that they are loaded with Major talent.

Aug. 30, 2019
idahoreb
Men's 60
60 posts
Here’s a novel idea about number of teams in each division.

Take the total number of teams and divide them evenly in either 3 or 4 divisions. Look at the records at mid year and move teams up or down. Do the same at the end of the year. There would be no 4 team or 60 team divisions which is ridiculous in both cases.
Aug. 30, 2019
Jawood
Men's 50
926 posts
A possible solution would be to take away the ability of the Major+ teams to pickup players outside their bordering states. Major teams may be more willing to move up knowing that these teams cannot go out and pay players from anywhere (east/west) to play with them while most others cannot afford it.

If not, let the Major+ teams go with "unlimited everything" rules and have 4 team world tournaments like we had back in the day.
Aug. 31, 2019
Webbie25
Men's 65
2273 posts
I have been playing at the major plus level for 8 years now. I've been with the best (Timberworks), and with some that were not quite the best, but competitive. This year I was asked to play at 60 M+ with the Southwest Bandits, who got moved up after winning Winter Worlds. It was a very interesting year. We competed well (4-3) in Spring Worlds, but it was on 270 fences in Kingman. As the year went on it became more and more obvious we were not a Major plus team. After getting our butts handed to us, defensively, offensive, and every way possible in San Clemente, we have disbanded, knowing we could not compete with MTC, Summy's and whoever else showed up. It's a hard call from Sacramento on how to rate teams. And, Jawood, I have not been on a team where they paid players. We paid our own way. Having said that, the rules to be able to pick up a number of players from out of your area has one other big benefit to players. There are NOT that many Major Plus teams and many M+ players DO NOT LIVE IN A STATE THAT TOUCHES ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS A M+ team. Without those rules, those players could not play M+ ball if they chose to.
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