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Discussion: Out of the Batter's Box

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Oct. 19, 2019
SCUBA
71 posts
Out of the Batter's Box
When is the batter considered out of the batter's box when he is hit by his own batted ball?
Oct. 19, 2019
B.J.
707 posts
SCUBA.. this question came up a few years ago and there were different answers... below was SSUSA's response that both feet need to be totally out of the box to be called out.

SSUSA STAFF answered.. "..After hitting the ball..", we would presume he is out of the box when he has completely vacated the confines of the batter's box on his way down to first base, but we don't see any rules issue with that ...
However, if you were asking for the definition of what constitutes being out of the box at the moment you hit a ball, that's in Rule Book 7.3:
Oct. 19, 2019
Wayne 37
Men's 65
708 posts
Batter hit by batted ball with both feet legally in the box is a foul ball. Batter hit with a batted ball with one foot legally out of the box is.....do the math.
Oct. 20, 2019
SCUBA
71 posts
Wayne37, I can't find your first sentence in the rulebook. According to the SSUSA Staff, the answer to the math problem is "It's still a foul ball". Can anyone else weigh in on this and break the tie between Wayne37 and the SSUSA Staff?
Oct. 20, 2019
B.J.
707 posts
SCUBA.. welcome to Wayne's world..

a batter hit with a batted ball with both feet are 1 foot in the batters box is a dead ball.. not a foul ball.. technically the batter could be in fair territory when he was hit by the ball.. as far as choosing between Wayne and SSUSA Staff my $$$$ is on Staff .. and the above ruling I posted was by Staff back in Nov. 2016
Oct. 20, 2019
Wayne 37
Men's 65
708 posts
SCUBA, I'm sure you've seen games on TV where a batter will *FOUL* a ball off his leg or foot with both feet in the box. The umpire will declare *FOUL* and a strike will be added to the count unless they already have two strikes. Different in slo-pitch if it is their last strike. It's doesn't matter if the ball goes into fair territory. The same applies here. Nowhere in any rule book should the words *DEAD BALL* be found. Saying *DEAD BALL* is what the more amateurism umpires use that term because they haven't been properly trained. They should simply declare the words TIME or FOUL. The play becomes *DEAD* not the ball. Dead balls should taken out beyond the centerfield fence and given a proper burial.

I sure you've probably seen in some softball games where a batter will hit one right in front of home plate and the ball will do a crazy spin, the ball will come back, hit the batter as he begins to run to 1B. Once the batter steps one foot out of the box (on the ground)....they are out of the box, regardless of what SSUSA STAFF presumes. However, the same applies to have both feet out, but is not a requirement. 7.3 really doesn't answer your question. Also their verbiage is flawed on where the batter's feet are to be considered in the box before the pitch. The whole of both feet MUST be on the line or in the box. Neither part of the feet should be touching out of the batter's box. That's what the lines are there for, but that is a different story. Hopefully, they will clean up some of the language when they meet.

I've found several rules that are nowhere to be found in the SSUSA rulebook. It's not 2016 anymore. It is almost 2020. Why they failed to include their ruling in the book is beyond me. You might think out of 13 people this would have been brought up in a meeting at the very least. Since the rule is nowhere in the book, that is the way I would call it. How can you protest a judgment call when it isn't in the book to begin with.

Hopes this helps. Have a great holiday season. I'm going to be laid up in the hospital at least two weeks and confined to the house for a month. Having stem cell replacement therapy. They tell me it is a bitch! I couldn't play this season and probably not next season. Maybe 2021 will be my year.

P. S. To the poster above the word is or, not two feet are 1 one foot. Kind of like the time you used digging a whole instead of hole. In your defense I did write it wrong. Alas and alack, there is no edit function for corrections. Just need to pay more attention to what I'm doing. Happy now?
Oct. 20, 2019
DieselDan
Men's 70
405 posts

SSUSA RULES SUMMARY FOR 2019


Batter's Box

Batter's box is 3 feet wide by 7 feet deep.

Batter must have some portion of both feet inside of the batter's box when the windup / delivery begins.

Any portion of the foot touching the chalk / lines is considered "in" the box. (So, having just your toes on the line(s) is legal. Which means, you can have your heels outside the box.)

On the swing, the batter is considered "out of the box" when he has one foot completely on the ground, completely outside of the batter's box when contact is made.
Oct. 20, 2019
Wayne 37
Men's 65
708 posts
Dan,

I'm aware of that. Does that mean a batter can have the back of their heels touching the inside lines and have their feet touching the strike mat also?

Think about it? It's just poorly worded and doesn't mention touching outside of the lines.

The summary is referring to the change in the size of the batter's box. Never recall a rule set I've read that mentions that any part of the foot can be touching outside the lines at the time of the pitch.
Oct. 21, 2019
B.J.
707 posts
wayne.. again, READ THE RULE BOOK it would answer most of your questions ..

7.6 BATTER IS OUT
D. When any part of a foot is touching the strike mat when he hits a ball fair or foul.

you stated above (I've found several rules that are nowhere to be found in the SSUSA rulebook) if you are so
knowledgeable and have found several rules that go against SSUSA rules why don't you ever specify what rule set you are citing .. better yet get in touch with Dave and get on the rules committee.. I'm sure they could use someone with your experience



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