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Discussion: Western National Tournament location

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June 23, 2020
tall_thunder
Men's 50
69 posts
Western National Tournament location
Just wondering if California doesn't open up to play Western National Tournament there, would Senior Softball consider playing it in Prescott, Arizona. Weather would be nice. Any thoughts.
June 23, 2020
1bounce
Men's 55
27 posts
You can forget Prescott. It is busy all summer long between seniors, regular age, kids baseball, girls fast pitch softball.....those fields are taken up long in advance. Same story for Flagstaff which is at 7000 ft in elevation and even better weather
June 24, 2020
Mikelmart
62 posts
Benji4, you should quit your day job and work the comedy circuit. Like all good comedy there's more than a hint of truth. Sad but true.
June 24, 2020
Mikelmart
62 posts
What is the possibility of the Western Nationals being in the Reno/Carson City area? Casinos are back in operation, why not softball?
June 24, 2020
E6 in AZ
Men's 50
91 posts
Randy (T.T.),
Prescott is a great idea; I do not think the fields are being used and our motels/restaurants have been slow.
Maybe SSUSA could reach out to the City of Prescott Parks and Rec to inquire.
Hope all is well.
Mark (former AOS)
June 24, 2020
Brucesky
Men's 60
16 posts
Benji, great comedy but laughing and also crying, because it's likely true.

Yes, SSUSA should look at alternate locations for Western Champs in Sacramento, Reno or somewhere with elevation in AZ are alternatives, but it's gonna be hot almost every west in late July.
June 24, 2020
Dbax
Men's 65
1904 posts
It should be in Aurora, where it should be every year.
June 24, 2020
Jawood
Men's 50
929 posts
It would be great to get it out of Sacramento every year! Horrible fields, terrible drainage, no concessions and offensively hot!
June 25, 2020
Ball4
Men's 55
21 posts
Totally thinking out of the box on this one. So critiques are welcome.
Western National (7/28-8/2) is a month away - so change it to the Rocky Mtn. Championships, and hold it in Colorado. Work with Scrap Iron to find a new location as the fields in Aurora will not be available for that date.

Rocky Mt. Championships (8/21-23) Make this the new Western Championships date because Aurora has committed to the fields to be open. This gives teams a few additional weeks to plan their trip to the tournament. I realize this date is a week after the Spring Worlds in St George UT, but limited dates and facilities makes planning for SSUSA extremely difficult.

The facilities in Aurora can handle a major tournament fairly easily. While Aug. is hot in Colorado, it will be no where near the heat of Phoenix or Nevada. I'm also factoring that teams may not want to spend large $$ for multiple out of state trips this year. Make Westerns in Colorado a primary destination and it will attract teams from the Midwest and Texas, but may lose teams from California.
June 25, 2020
tall_thunder
Men's 50
69 posts
Hey E6, hope things are well with you to. Someone mentioned that Prescott would not be available to host the Western Nationals I assume Senior Softball are looking at options, hopefully cool options. Lol.
June 25, 2020
lclmotion22
8 posts
Well hopefully Senior Softball gets it situated soon because Western Nationals is around the corner.
June 25, 2020
Omar Khayyam
1342 posts
Jawood, where do you usually play in Sacramento for the Western Nationals? We play at Sacramento Softball Complex. So-so fields, not horrible; terrible drainage? Maybe, but since it doesn't rain in Sacramento in the summer, and groundskeepers control watering, so what?; no concessions? They have a sit-down cafe; and offensively hot is true, except with low humidity it is usually tolerable, not offensive!

June 25, 2020
local
169 posts
Play it at the RAC in Lacey WA.
June 26, 2020
Bruster55
Men's 55
108 posts
Benji4 I just heard one of your teammates tested positive for Covid a day ago.I have played in two tourneys here in AZ wearing a mask at all times possible with no issues.Stay safe & play safe!
June 26, 2020
Wood_1966
Men's 50
118 posts
Play it in Reno, cooler temps and is only a 2 hour drive from the original location.
June 26, 2020
bum284
1 posts
Is anyone sure Nevada will be open for senior softball in July?
June 26, 2020
Jawood
Men's 50
929 posts
Omar, We have not played at the Sacramento Complex, only Maidu Park, which IS horrible. It's about the drainage from watering, obviously not rain. A lot of the outfields have been under water the last couple of years. No cafe! Sounds like you have been playing at Golden Eagle and we've been playing in Carson City, making a comparison to Rock n Reno!
June 26, 2020
TD. Tom
60 posts
We have about a 2 week window to buy a plane ticket and I guess if we do not know if its a go somewhere we just won't be going. Our guys are not paying 300.00 plus for last minute plane tickets..
June 26, 2020
Bruster55
Men's 55
108 posts
Ball4 Instead of kicking RMC to the curb wouldn’t it be easier for SSUSA to work with Scrap Iron and make it the Western-Rocky Mtn National
Championship?Just a thought?
June 26, 2020
Omar Khayyam
1342 posts
Jawood, I haven't played at Maidu in 20 years so I will take your word for it and hope not to play there! But ease up on poor Carson City—it has its own rustic charm and is O.K. unless the wind is blowing (which, sadly, it usually is in the afternoon).
June 26, 2020
domer
20 posts
I think a lot of teams are waiting to see what Sacramento is going to do, Senior Softball has to be trying to secure a back up location. just hoping we get some information before entry deadline
June 27, 2020
Jawood
Men's 50
929 posts
TD is correct, people aren't going to pay for plane fare at the last minute but SSUSA is in a very tough position, trying to figure out what any west coast state will do!
June 28, 2020
JDub
Men's 60
203 posts
Time to Cancel or Reschedule as many of the California Tournaments to Arizona and/or Nevada. Flights to/from Phoenix & Las Vegas are by far the most reasonable (IMHO) . . .

Have Fun, Be Safe,
Jeff White - AZ Elite
June 29, 2020
Bigboza
Men's 60
12 posts
DBax right on the money, AURORA, beautiful fields, hardly used.
June 29, 2020
AJC
Men's 60
163 posts
Id like to 2nd Wood 1966's idea. Move it to Reno if fields there are available. I know its easier said than done but opening up in Cali in a month could be an issue.
June 29, 2020
tall_thunder
Men's 50
69 posts
I think Aurora Colorado would work nicely. You could rename it the Rock Mountain Western Nationals Tournament, which is held August 21. PROS: Nice weather, nice fields, and probably more teams, since Aurora is more centrally located for some Mid-Western teams to participate. True Reno is closer, for the California teams that participate, but let's not forget all teams eligible for the Western National tournament. THIS TOURNAMENT IS ALSO the first leg of the Triple Crown, and should be more centrally located for all teams to participate in.
June 29, 2020
AJC
Men's 60
163 posts
If it was moved to Reno, you could call it Rock 'N Westerns.
June 29, 2020
Wood_1966
Men's 50
118 posts
Making the tournament "more centrally located for all teams to participate" sounds great, but then we should just play every tourney in St Louis then. I think the effort should be to make the tournament as convenient and as close to the original location as humanly possible. Colorado is neither, Reno is both. That being said, we are not playing in Sacramento this year, but if it was moved to Reno we probably would, and we are already playing in Aurora. combining the two reduces revenue but more importantly, it reduces the chances teams have to earn a berth in the TOC. I also think Reno would welcome the revenue that comes with the tournament.
June 29, 2020
sdc
18 posts
Probably won't happen In Aurora so far Senior softball is closed in Colorado young mans ball is being played but parks are not letting Senior leagues to open could change hopefully who knows
June 29, 2020
JDub
Men's 60
203 posts
* * * ARIZONA BEING SHUT DOWN BY GOVERNOR DUCEY THROUGH JULY * * *
June 30, 2020
Wood_1966
Men's 50
118 posts
Forget Reno, our esteemed governor has extended Phase II through the end of July. So gatherings like softball will be limited to 50 people or less.
June 30, 2020
Wood_1966
Men's 50
118 posts
With the Arizona shutdown there is still this piece of the governors order that will allow a city or county to decide for themselves.

"Under the latest order, the state's Department of Liquor Licenses and Control will suspend special event and festival licenses, although a city or county would be allowed to approve a large gathering, if social distancing and other safety guidelines are followed."

Hopefully this means that Prescott will not get cancelled!
June 30, 2020
tall_thunder
Men's 50
69 posts
Just got word, Prescott tournament is cancelled. Now what?
June 30, 2020
AJC
Men's 60
163 posts
All of the Casinos in Nevada are open with thousands of people inside, yet playing softball outdoors, getting a little exercise is not allowed ? Drove by Graton Casino in wine country 2 weeks ago, its open, the parking lot was packed full of cars. I cant believe county officials allowed that to open.
July 1, 2020
christom10
Men's 50
5 posts
Just a question, but since Reno canceled the Rock-n-Roll tournament, why would one think they would allow the Western to be moved there?
July 1, 2020
TimMcElroy
710 posts
I am 100% certain that SSUSA is looking at all potential options with respect to the Western Nationals. It doesn't make sense for them to post IF / THEN scenarios on the message board because too many people will treat potential information as factual information. It's kind of like the posting of "TENTATIVE" schedules- things beyond SSUSA's control happen, changes result and somebody goes berserk.

As for the "move it here, move it there crowd" you need to remember that most parks in the country were already booked with other events on January 1 (pre-virus). Picking up and moving an event of this size to "Y" location isn't as easy as you might think.

My advice on all COVID-19 matters remains unchanged. Be patient. SSUSA will share information when they have something concrete.
July 1, 2020
SSUSA Staff
3009 posts
We're as anxious to safely resume scheduled tournament play as you are, maybe more so, but it's not quite as simple as "..Hey, SSUSA should just move the _____________ event to ______________________ and everything will be perfect!.." ...

• Every venue we use is booked months (and often years) in advance by the same promoters and events for almost every week of the season ... Example: Losing Reno this year broke a 33-year event streak for us and nothing else is open there through September;
• If a venue re-opens for business, the pre-existing promoters get their dates back! ... It's not like the booking/bid process starts all over and we get to move to the front of the line or join an open bid auction;

• SSUSA intends to retain (where permitted) all existing dates AND locations for any event originally scheduled after the date of any potential re-opening for a location ... Examples: Northwest, East & West, Northern's, Rocky Mtn. and World Masters;
• If we lose a date/location, the next priority is to use the same location at an available later date that makes sense ... Examples: Texas State, Spring World's & National's and Southwest;
• If it's a "something else" problem, then we'll be the skilled juggler with all the balls in the air at the County Fair ... We're doing that to some extent already in a couple of locations! ...

Please maintain your patience, don't speculate too wildly and we'll let you know within minutes of us knowing ... Thanks! ...

July 1, 2020
Chief144
Men's 70
150 posts
Dave, keep your balls in the air & may they all land safely!
July 2, 2020
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3078 posts
Thanks, Win! ... We're hanging in there ... Terry and Fran are the Master jugglers ... I just do the technical teams' games load demand calculations in the ever shifting mix of available fields and imposed restrictions! ... It's like a jigsaw puzzle where they hide some pieces from you just for fun or occasionally change them at the last moment! ... Stay safe! ...
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