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Discussion: Vegas World still going to require a one time tourney prior to worlds?

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July 18, 2020
lowprofile
56 posts
Vegas World still going to require a one time tourney prior to worlds?
Just curious if we still have to play a qualifier prior to playing in the Worlds? We have signed up to play tourneys all season and all of them have been cancelled as our state has been completely shut down due to C-19. If Vegas allows us to play the Masters tourney it would probably be our first and only one of the season. Any insight on this would be much appreciated.
July 18, 2020
SSUSA Staff
2960 posts
There will very likely be an announcement regarding that topic/issue within the next week (or less) ... Patience will be rewarded! ...
July 19, 2020
lowprofile
56 posts
SSUSA Staff,

Thanks for responding and will wait patiently for your response. I just hadn't seen this issue in any prior post so sorry if the question had already been asked.
July 19, 2020
SSUSA Staff
2960 posts
No worries and no issue at all ... Look for an article on that and related topics in the soon to be published Senior Softball Newspaper Summer Edition coming to an email inbox near you in the next few days ... Thanks!
July 19, 2020
SALSAKID49
Men's 60
149 posts
allowing all to play in the Master tourney would comprise a first and only time for all of the teams during this Covid shortened season... Even if SSUSA has to make it a 3 or 4 session events to minimize the clustering of teams and age groups... :)
July 19, 2020
lowprofile
56 posts
Yo Sal, well said! I'm guessing that a lot of teams are Jonesing to play, and God only knows that SSUSA could use the business right now. Probably most of us want to play but...there are those who will chose not to go because of the pandemic and we all support there decision.

My guess is they could draw close to the 600 teams that comprise this tourney yearly, and we know in the past has drawn well over that. If we practice the new norms we could all be safe to a certain extent, but keep in mind you can catch it anywhere even if you stayed home. I personally hope Vegas lets us play!
July 19, 2020
Baguba
Men's 50
7 posts
I agree with Iowprofile hope Vegas allows us to play.
July 20, 2020
Biskit 09
7 posts
Fingers crossed Vegas as well as SSUSA let's us play without making a qualifier!!
July 20, 2020
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3005 posts
That's probably pretty easy to do ... Maybe for those teams who decline to play in a qualifier, we could just move them up one rating level to ensure nobody is sandbagging just to play down ... That would work pretty well! ....
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JUST KIDDING!! ... But I had you there for a moment! ... Be patient, guys, there will be an announcement in the Senior Softball News Summer Edition coming to an email inbox near you very soon and I doubt too many people, if any, will be upset ...
July 20, 2020
Benji4
232 posts
Dave

Your idea of moving up teams who don't play in a qualifier one rating is genius. Make it happen.
July 20, 2020
lowprofile
56 posts
Lol Dave...GOOD ONE!

I don't think most of the teams going to Vegas Worlds purposely did not play in any qualifiers to sand bag. If your like me in Cali it's been completely shut down and were dying to play. Unless you won some major tourneys
last year or added some new players I'm guessing most teams can stay in there same division?

Does SSUSA look at all 600 plus teams rosters prior to Worlds? if so they definitely earn there money and that could possibly weed out any stacked teams.

Benji...Make it happen! lol
July 20, 2020
Lightning2
16 posts
I've heard there is one team Battle Born out of Nevada that is stacked with 5 to 6 major plus players playing major. Players came from Crush and Thunderstruck. Crush was bumped to major plus and Thunderstruck won the major Worlds the same year 2018. Some people are curious why that's allowed to happen with a two year exemption in place.
July 20, 2020
ironman#6
2 posts
Lightning2

Thank you for the interest in our team. We have two former Crush players, one being me and I am still ranked M+. The other one was re-ranked because of the bad team he played on last year. There are 3 former Thunderstruck players on the team two of which are ranked M+ the other was re-ranked for medical reasons. So we have 3 M+ players total and that is what you are allowed as a major team in SSUSA.
July 20, 2020
coop3636
415 posts
Ok guys
I wasn't going to say anything, but COME ON:
Quit bitching on who plays who or if someone is sandbagging or not.
We all Just want to play
Lace them up, do your best and see what happens. (that's what HR limits are for)
Just my 2 cents worth.
Brett Cooper
PS Benji, I hope you saw that Dave was joking...
I am sure that SSUSA wants Vegas to happen as much as we do. It will help make their season from becoming a total loss.
July 20, 2020
Dbax
Men's 60
1884 posts
How do you get rerated based on the bad team you were on???
How does that work???
July 21, 2020
Lightning2
16 posts
Coop3636
It's not bitching it's enquiring and asking an honest question expecting an honest answer.
We all want to play and at the same time keep integrity in the game. If it's all good then let's play ball no worries.
July 21, 2020
SSUSA Staff
2960 posts
Lightning2 ... Please trust us to do our job on roster review & certification ... We detail check the roster of every single team that enters any tournament, and especially the Eastern/Western National's and/or The World Masters Championships ... We have about 30 years worth of experience doing this, so it's not a new approach or process ... It's going to be OK, we promise!
July 21, 2020
Lightning2
16 posts
SSUSA STAFF... Thank you, we as players in this league appreciate that. Unfortunately the decision process is not always consistent.
Dropping a major plus player just because they played on a lower quality team the year before in my opinion is not keeping integrity in the game. In addition team already has 4 major plus players on the team having one drop down because of injury. Ironman#6
Appreciate your honesty with respect. Nothing wrong with building the strongest team you can.
July 21, 2020
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3005 posts
In that particular instance, the explanation, and accordingly your objection, could have been better worded ... The player was NOT dropped in rating because he played for a bad team ... His personal experience rating history with that team was downgraded because the entire team's rating was lowered based on a performance review ... That has the effect of modifying the rating number for every member of that team and is not individual player-specific ... We do our best despite your questionable assertion "..Unfortunately the decision process is not always consistent.." ... Here's a bit of free advice: "..If most teams would spend, say, about 10% as much time worrying about their own team as they do other teams, they would ‪likely have a better ball club.." ... Don't worry too much about this ... It ain't rocket science!

July 21, 2020
lowprofile
56 posts
In my case Dave you hit the nail on the head with your quote as I work for a rocket company and the big wigs tell us...Don't worry about other people worry about yourself! so in my case...it is rocket science lol.

SSUSA Staff I'm amazed that you guys check that many rosters as I'm sure that's very time consuming and sure some player ratings may get missed, but just play ball and have fun!

We should all be thankful we seniors have this organization to do what we love to do! Even if we don't play ball this year take my fee with no reservations and help out the staff! I'm sure will all be ballin soon!
July 21, 2020
ironman#6
2 posts
Lightning2

Here is the thing. Our Crush team got bumped after playing and wining one ssusa tournament that year. Rock-n-Reno. We could not pick up any player to improve our team to compete better in M+ because everyone is already on teams. Was it right to bump us after one tournament win. No not in my opinion, but that is what ssusa decided so it does no good to bitch about it. To answer Dbax question the whole team was re-ranked because they could not compete in M+. The system is no way perfect. I personally want to play against the best competition because it makes you a better player. I play left field for Battle Born my jersey number is #6 my name is Chris. Feel free to come by and talk to me if you like. I would prefer that rather than behind a computer. All of my typing was for nothing because this season is pretty much a wash anyways.
July 22, 2020
SSUSA Staff
2960 posts
Original inquiry covered fully in Senior Softball News Newspaper Summer 2020 Edition ... See link on Home Page ...

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