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Discussion: Runs given as equalizer, how given and when?

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May 3, 2021
Johnny44
35 posts
Runs given as equalizer, how given and when?
If a AAA team receives a 5run equalizer or 11 man defense from a major team.... correct?
When and how are the runs given to the AAA team?
How are the runs given if there are only 4 innings played?
Is there ever a time that all 5 runs are not given to the AAA team in a game with a equalizer?

Thank you, asking for a friend, JW
May 3, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3290 posts
To Johnny's friend ... If the "Runs" option is taken for an equalizer, the team receiving them gets them at one run per inning played for innings #2 through #6 ... They are on the "cash basis", so if, for example, there's NO 6th inning played, they only get four runs ... The team receiving them can also get one if the 6th inning is the open inning ... There are NO equalizer runs given in the 1st, 7th or any extra innings in a game ... On your last question: There are NO runs given if the team takes the 11-defensive-player equalizer option ...

May 3, 2021
Johnny44
35 posts
OK that helps, how about if time is expired and score is tied into the 6th inning.....would the 5th run be given for that 6th inning?
May 3, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3290 posts
The award of the equalizer runs is based on INNINGS PLAYED, so YES, if the 6th inning is played, the 5th equalizer run is added to the score of the receiving team in the top of the 6th ... It's very simple: ONE RUN PER INNING PLAYED, INNINGS 2 THRU 6 ...
May 3, 2021
HSquared
Men's 55
65 posts
D, realizing that the equalizer is a matter of choice by any team, but in your statistical review, what is the percentage of each option used (runs vs. extra defensive player)? TIA
May 4, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3290 posts
H ... I'm not aware of any actual statistical analysis we've done, but here's my sense of it just based on a lot of field experience as a Director ... Remember, it's "Runs Only" for Men's 40-Masters and 70+ and above age divisions and for Women's 50+ and above age divisions ... That leaves Women's 40-Masters and Men's 50+ through 65+ where the 11-Defensive-player option is available ...

Generally, the 40-Women take the runs has been my experience ... In the Men's, it's almost always the runs for the AA and AAA rated teams and for a strong majority of the Major teams, regardless of age ... The exception for Majors is when they play a Major+ team, the majority tends to take the 11 defender ... If a Major team is playing a younger Major team, it's usually the runs ... A Major+ team playing a younger Major+ team seems to favor the 11th defender ... None of these are "hard and fast" choices, but just my general observations over time ... See you in Reno! ...

May 4, 2021
Doak
15 posts
Dave, there is a "quirky" exception and that is when a 70 team plays down in age to play a 65 team. The 70's already play with 11 defensive players. In Vegas we, Timberworks, a 70 major plus team were playing 65 major plus teams. So we had a choice to either take the runs or have 12 defensive players. We chose to take neither and played straight up with the 11 fielder. It never has made sense to me to take runs, especially, in seeding games. I would hate to say we won by 2 runs when they gave us 5??? Don't get it... But, we have played 65 major teams in the past and theoretically we would play them head-up because of the 5 year age difference but us being a major plus team. They see the 11th defensive player as an advantage already and see that they should either get an extra player or 5 runs to make it an even game.... What do you say?
May 4, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3290 posts
Doak ... I'm sure glad that situation didn't arise at BLD where I was the Director! ... Having just gotten off year and a half on the Cardiac-D/L, I don't need my heart all wound up over that sort of silliness ... It's very annoying when an umpire or other Director "makes it up on the fly" ...

There is NO PROVISION anywhere in the rule book that allows a 70's team to use a 12th defender ... NONE WHATSOEVER ... In fact the only available equalizer to a 70's team is 5-Runs (or 7-Runs if there is a double equalizer in play) ... See Rulebook 1.21 (page 4) ...

Here's the controlling concept for guidance: All teams are allowed their "native defensive alignment" in every game, and the fact that 65's play 10 and 70's play 11 is NOT an equalizer ... For example, if a 70-Major plays a 65-AAA, they play "straight up", the 70's with 11 defenders and the 65's with 10 and NO RUNS given or taken ...

Hope this helps! ... See you in Reno! ...

May 4, 2021
Doak
15 posts
Dave, thanks for the correction on the number of players. But if we, a 70 major plus team play the 65 majors heads up 11 defensive players versus 10 players, get ready for the moaning and gnashing of teeth by the 65's over being an advantage for the 70's. It has happened before as you know...
May 4, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3290 posts
We certainly agree on that about the complaints! ... And, yes, it may be construed as an advantage, but it is NOT an equalizer ... I've had this discussion hundreds of times over the years, and one of the more effective lines I've used with the 65's has been "..I wonder if they'd trade you that extra defender in order to all be five years younger, like you guys?.." ... I can get away with that a bit easier now because I have my 70's card, too ... Good luck in Reno! ...

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